Newbie 1476 - Game Over

[notscience]

Goodmorning I haz issue

I think I've solved the game D1 but that almost never happens so I'm really worried I'm wrong wat do

[Not_Mafia]

You should just post your thoughts.

UNVOTE: notscience

No longer have (as much of) a scumread on you. Burn seems noob town to me as he is acting

so

scummy, in any case Burn is the best lynch for the phase right now, he is either scum or a townie that we should policy lynch as I don't want him anywhere near a lylo situation.

When he unvotes, no one vote him as self hammer is a real possibility here

[notscience]

I think burn is scum and don't put this AtE past him however at the same time I do kinda feel bad about the wagon and the playing chicken shtick feels scummy

Look at Zivel's stuff from the last page, namely her scumreads and her vote.

[Not_Mafia]

Do you know his meta very well?

[Not_Mafia]

Now that you mention it Burn/Zivel scum team looks like a definite possibility.

VOTE: Zivel

[notscience]

I don't know the meta, what did you think of the reads post?

[Luca Blight]

Pretty weak vote on me from Zivel, and a very opportune time to finally jump in. He has a feeling I'm scum, which is fine and I'm glad he's finely sharing his thoughts on the game, but I feel like I have posted a lot of content compared with others, so I feel he could have explained in some way why I am scum instead of saying "I just feel he is scum, I don't know why".

He seems pretty sure Joker is scum, but more weak reasoning; Joker has contributed little and is a null read, same with Zivel, Rach etc, and having her as his main scum read for a RVS vote doesn't hold much water.

He is reluctant to comment on NS and GM because they are experienced which also doesn't sit well with me; if he is not sure why doesn't he question them a little to try and acquire a read one way or another?

One of the things Mutt gave me grief about was for making ''unremarkable reads', I wonder if he will do the same with Zivel, as his reasoning for why Not_Mafia and Mutt are Town is not only weak, it seems to flow along with the general consensus which looks a scummy move to me.

[Zivel]

Sorry Luca, I am work at the moment but will have more time tonight to post some more indepth thoughts.

I am a him, not a her btw.

[Not_Mafia]

Luca said most of what I was going to say. Zivel seems like he is trying too hard to help his partner without really knowing how. The reads had basically no content to them and he sheeped the alignments

[notscience]

Ahhh, this game is so refreshing.

[Zivel]

Luca/doggie is tvt

Explain to me like I am five why you think this please?

[Zivel]

Firstly Joker: My reading of him just come from

vote burn

Simply because I don't trust him

Soley. I guess I have made the mistake to mean that votes mean anything at this early part of the game and I really didnt like this reasoning to put Burn at L1. If it was not for NS unvoting then Burn would be on the knife edge and joker just throws it out there cause he "doesnt trust him". That dont feel right.
Burn I guess I just feel for:

its just frustrating that every time I play this game Im always the first days bandwagon or lynch. So Im not going to sit here and argue with people with people who think I am scum but do not explain why or give examples.

This quote just makes me feel that he is not scum, I dont care if he goes, but I feel that he really just wants to play this game, and hates being knocked out early. Looking through his previous games it appears that he gets replaced more often than gets knocked out but I still would be annoyed if I was in his place.
Luca I cannot understand, maybe from inexperience but explain to me why you say

You really are a compulsive liar. What makes you think I thought you were on L-1 when I re-voted for you? Mutt thought you were; he is the one who has trouble counting, not me. This is the second post in a row you have blatantly lied, it's no wonder you often die on the first day if this is the sort of game you play, scummy to the extreme.

Another post of burn's that is based 100% on fiction, the rest isn't even worth responding to. Either you are scum or you are having a shocker from a townie perspective, either way you are certainly justifying my voting of you. Nothing you say has any credibility as you keep making stuff up.

Burn is scummy to the extreme, I can see his logic, some of his facts are flawed but I am not sure how that ends up as scummy rather than someone who just wants to play the game. I dont think you are scum completely, I just want to see more pressure on you to see how you respond.

I am enjoying the game, it is not so much game theory (which I think I am pretty good at) but reading peoples motives in text. I normally use a lot of emoticons due to not being able to read the nuances in text and so this is a challenge. I hate to be the noob, but the game is new to me and I make no excuses for that. If I had the 8867 posts of NS and the 26.79 posts per day that he posts then I think I would look at this differently lol.

[Not_Mafia]

This quote just makes me feel that he is not scum, I dont care if he goes, but I feel that he really just wants to play this game, and hates being knocked out early. Looking through his previous games it appears that he gets replaced more often than gets knocked out but I still would be annoyed if I was in his place.

This is called an appeal to emotion

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... to_Emotion

[goodmorning]

Goodmorning I haz issue

I think I've solved the game D1 but that almost never happens so I'm really worried I'm wrong wat do

Well, let's try your solution and see what happens then.

I still worry slightly that Luca's reads are also too convenient as well as Zivel's, but I don't know. I need to reread this game.

Burn I guess I just feel for:

its just frustrating that every time I play this game Im always the first days bandwagon or lynch. So Im not going to sit here and argue with people with people who think I am scum but do not explain why or give examples.

This quote just makes me feel that he is not scum, I dont care if he goes, but I feel that he really just wants to play this game, and hates being knocked out early. Looking through his previous games it appears that he gets replaced more often than gets knocked out but I still would be annoyed if I was in his place.

Do Scum

not

want to play the game? I don't see where wanting to play is alignment-indicative.

Will reread tonight.

[serrapaladin]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 1.07

notscience (1) - RachMarie

burn_209 (L-1) - goodmorning, joker443, burn_209, Luca Blight

Luca Blight (1) - Zivel
Zivel (1) - Not_Mafia

Not Voting (2) - Graeyfurredmutt, notscience

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2014-03-01 23:59:59).[/area]

Note: Graeyfurredmutt is V/LA until Sunday.

[Luca Blight]

"Luca's reads are too convenient", I can only read what's put in front of me, maybe if you actually offered some reads yourself from time to time I could have a better read on you rather than having you down as null because you haven't contributed anything.

I realise you were V/LA for a short while earlier in the game, GM, but is there any reason why you have been so cautious when posting? You are the IC and should be leading us newbies, the fact you and the likes of Rach, Joker and Zivel are contributing so little only decreases the chance of us hitting scum on day 1.

[goodmorning]

"Luca's reads are too convenient", I can only read what's put in front of me, maybe if you actually offered some reads yourself from time to time I could have a better read on you rather than having you down as null because you haven't contributed anything.

I realise you were V/LA for a short while earlier in the game, GM, but is there any reason why you have been so cautious when posting? You are the IC and should be leading us newbies, the fact you and the likes of Rach, Joker and Zivel are contributing so little only decreases the chance of us hitting scum on day 1.

Convenience has little to do with the content of others and more to do with the reads of others, if you catch my drift.

The main problem with me doing too much too soon is that sheep happens. I'd rather get the unbiased reads of the newbs before I begin sharing my own. Plus, of course, I've been busy and don't have as much of a handle on the game as I'd like.
The other problem with IC as leader is that I have just as much chance of being Scum as the rest of you, and to suggest that it's a good idea to follow the IC just because IC would be antithetical to being an IC.

[Luca Blight]

I never suggested we should all blindly follow you, but as the IC the onus should be on you to make sure the game is developing in a way which is good for Town, and the fact you haven't really done anything but make a few fleeting comments without any detail or explanation to your reads, it confuses the issue a bit. I have other players down as scum ahead of you at the moment, but as the most experienced player here you should be the town's biggest asset which hasn't been the case, and we have to question why that is.

Maybe you are just too busy to play properly, I don't know.

[Not_Mafia]

I don't really see him being under the radar. With that amount of experience he could probably stay active in the thread and not arouse too much suspicion. If this plays in to his scum meta then notsci or rachmarie probably would have picked up on it by now.

The people I wanna see significant posts from now are RachMarie and Burn

[Not_Mafia]

under the radar scum*

[Luca Blight]

Burn hasn't done much in the way of scumhunting, he only posts when someone mentions him, and even then all he does is lie about the main facts in his argument.

Rach is becoming a joke now, she is almost too under the radar to be mafia, as surely scum wouldn't be that obvious about it. If she isn't going to play then hopefully she will be replaced soon.

Zivel and Joker need to step it up also. Zivel made some 'unremarkable reads' and promised to elaborate, but has yet to fulfill that promise. I'd like to see Joker give her reads in the near future.

[burn_209]

Lucia's favorite word is lie lol and everything he just posted is bullshit. I have scum hunted when I brought out the shit you did that was suspicious. How is that not scum hunting. I didn't lie and people have told you that I didn't lie yet you keep hammering he point home. Ill post more after class and do a quick recap.

[burn_209]

Goodmorning I haz issue

I think I've solved the game D1 but that almost never happens so I'm really worried I'm wrong wat do

Well, let's try your solution and see what happens then.

I still worry slightly that Luca's reads are also too convenient as well as Zivel's, but I don't know. I need to reread this game.

Burn I guess I just feel for:

its just frustrating that every time I play this game Im always the first days bandwagon or lynch. So Im not going to sit here and argue with people with people who think I am scum but do not explain why or give examples.

This quote just makes me feel that he is not scum, I dont care if he goes, but I feel that he really just wants to play this game, and hates being knocked out early. Looking through his previous games it appears that he gets replaced more often than gets knocked out but I still would be annoyed if I was in his place.

Do Scum

not

want to play the game? I don't see where wanting to play is alignment-indicative.

Will reread tonight.

I did replace out of the first game I had on here and the other ones I replaced out of was mostly because I had some family issues at the time that caused me not to have time to give the other games the attention I needed

[Luca Blight]

That's funny, I mention burn and he appears like magic.

Apart from lie about what I have said, what scumhunting have you done this game?

[Not_Mafia]

You've OMGUS'd a few people which is not scumhunting.

Also you have lied and strawmanned consistently, you said luca thought he was hammering (there was 0 indication of this) and that he was bandwagoning on something he started. Your only legitimate criticism of him is the unvote.

Either that or you are a townie who has not properly paid attention and has derailed village with your ridiculous reaction(s).

You are either scum or an optimal policy lynch.

So let me ask you a question.

If the deadline were today. Why wouldn't we want to lynch you?