Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Jaqen Hghar]

It would actually look bad on a boy for muffin to flip town.

How would it look bad for trusting cop crumbs?

I guess the lack of paranoia and pursuing the

obvious

thing makes someone seem scummy now?

You haven't read any of my case on GCBC at all, have you? I wouldn't want you to have to dig, so...

And not seeing stalemate options in GiF set ups by way of what a boy links has done naught but strengthen a man's pov. These are all the reasons a man thinks GCBC is scum.

1. D1 slip

2. Not responding to slip allegations in a

logical

manner. No, imabepissyandreplaceoutbecauseyoudonthavelegitreasontoscumreadmemollie is not logical

3. A boy's reach to discredit ALL who scum read him instead of just being town, e.g. scum hunting

4. If a boy were town, he wouldn't have known Lush died (before the day started). It took 7 minutes to provide a case for muffin scum when the day started. A man posed a random question (one that a boy knew was coming) just seconds after a boy engaged a man in said conversation. After 30 minutes a boy still hadn't responded, even to call a man full of shit and that there was no crumb of investigation. A boy failed this test because he couldn't replicate the speed to respond to something unknown (And it wasn't even a hard crumb to find as it was the very first mention of Muffin on the second LAGE of Lush's ISO). This leaves the distinct impression that Lush's death was not unknown to a boy.

5. A boy's sum total of the day's participation has been to try to convince others he is town (working hard to convince others of your towniness lacks town motivation whose soul purpose is to hunt for and lynch scum, which up to that point in the day GCBC had done none of; wrt the game as a whole they've done very little in their 500+ posts) A man knows a boy always plays to his wincon. How exactly does that play to a town wincon?

6. Balance issues in relation to a boy's claim

7. Now, set up spec as well.

A man asks again, with all these valid, in game reasons, why precisely should a man read a boy as town?

With respect to balance note these facts

First ~ GCBC drops he's unlimited BP since the strongman died.

I still don't like GCBCACDC

You can hate me all you want. But with the mafia strongman gone, I'm here until endgame or if I'm mislynched.

Then ~ when it was pointed out a ONE shot strongman doesn't justify UNLIMITED bulletproof, cabd says he's been thinking there must be a second strongman or poisoner or whatever (even though he previously said he was outing his role because the strongman is dead.

I'm no flavor expert but it mentions that my body is ready (heh, NOA joke) and if I do something bad to punish me?

And it mentions a tidbit about no "regular" nightkill being able to affect me, which I now take to mean that the strongman was there. Scum might have a oneshot poison or something as well.

Last ~ when they go into speculation about what's left (earlier this game day) they forget all about the necessity for scum to

have

to have a second scum super kill to justify their UNLIMITED FREAKING BULLETPROOF! If they were truly town, they wouldn't have forgotten to include the one scum role which absolutely HAD to be present to justify their role. I called them out on this pretty quickly, and even though they've posted plenty since, neither in the slot has addressed my open question to them.

I imagine the scum counter-role to the SK is a roleblocker.

So we're looking at:

Scum Ninja (flipped)
Scum Encyptor-Strongman (flipped)
Scum Roleblocker (probably, could be scum protective instead)
Scum Rolecop/Investigative (probably)

Vs

SK (inv immune or BP)

Vs

Town BP (me)
Inno child (wayne)
Mason rolecop (flipped)
Mason encryptor (confirmed town, pie)
2-shot rolecop (flipped)
odd-night cop (flipped)
Macho Rolestopper (flipped)
Role copy (flipped)
Vanila Towns (some flipped)
Inventor (Now SSK's slot)
Doctor (pseudo confirmed by town macho flipping, notsci)

And you're all hesitant because cabd is an asset if he's town.

If

he's town.

IF

But he's not. He's scum. And as such a detriment to town. Don't sit back and hand them the game game just because you revere cabd's presence.

[Jaqen Hghar]

PAGE...not LAGE

[Jaqen Hghar]

Pedit. A boy was scum (SK) in one game on another site

...So you're basing your entire "super big match" scum meta case on a single serial killer game on a site with an entirely different playstyle, instead of like... tons of my finished scum games here?

And just noticed this. Scum annoyed that the one who caught them isn't meta'ing a ton of his scum games. cabd has a notebook, or more like a novel by now, on everyone's idiosyncrasies. As such, I think he thinks everyone needs such extensive notes on people to read them and is frustrated when they don't.

But, I'll let you read that in his own word from the Xenoblade dead QT:

222
Cabd
06-17-2013
12:12 PM ET (US)
That's wayne for you....

YOu never know what the heck he's thinking or anything like that, but I'll be darned if he doesn't get some interesting results.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I thought you were referring to Bubba, not GCBC.

Your 'a boy' crap is a bit misleading. I'll read over that in a bit so just hold your horses.

[pieguyn]

can someone run me through why GCBC is confirmed to not be a SK again

and I still wanna lynch bubba

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I liked his Day 1 posts and townread him from there.

His Day 2 came super strong early (lol) and idk.

As an SK though it completely changes things.

I'm easily deceived by AtE's.

It's my weakness Q_Q

[bubbajack8]

Under what basis.

Himself. He's scummy.

and I still wanna lynch bubba

why?

[Nachomamma8]

I said fuck it to the last 10 pages.
Cabd, where are you?

[Nachomamma8]

My sweet emo child.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

My sweet emo child.

I'm around, but after playing "spend twnety pages trying to show wayne why he's wrong" the game; I've realized it's doing absolutely nothing but adding to the post count. So I stopped trying.

[Nachomamma8]

Why talk to Wayne? Who is scum?

[Varsoon]

Today's been drawn the nug out.

[Sakura Hana]

We should just lynch Bubba and be done with it.

[zMuffinMan]

How would it look bad for trusting cop crumbs?

because (a) they weren't investigation crumbs and despite going over this multiple times and seeing no response to it other than, "they wanted to hide it so they can get more investigations off!" (which is also dumb for reasons already gone over), people are still pushing it as investigation crumbs, which leads to (b) the people pushing this angle are not scum hunting - it's not necessarily scummy, but it's an incredibly easy thing for scum to push and pretend they're doing something (and if you don't understand the scum motivation in not scum hunting, then i don't know what to say to you)

can someone run me through why GCBC is confirmed to not be a SK again

it's not "confirmed" but kagami using her role on jaqen N1 and varsoon redirecting roles that target jaqen->gcbc means if varsoon is town, and neither kagami or varsoon were otherwise interfered with, then gcbc couldn't have performed either of the kills N1

[Jaqen Hghar]

Explain how Kagami and Varsoon targeting me night one has anything to do with the price of tea in China wrt GCBC. I was commuted, in essence, by Kagami so Varsoon's targeting me had no effect. With that in mind, I have a question I hope can be answered.

@Yukari ~ if a player is commuted and also targeted by an xshot role! does it still use up that shot even though there is no target?

[Yukari Yakumo]

Explain how Kagami and Varsoon targeting me night one has anything to do with the price of tea in China wrt GCBC. I was commuted, in essence, by Kagami so Varsoon's targeting me had no effect. With that in mind, I have a question I hope can be answered.

@Yukari ~ if a player is commuted and also targeted by an xshot role! does it still use up that shot even though there is no target?

Yukari says no.
-Ran

[zMuffinMan]

@jaqen

GCBC couldn't be an SK or he wouldn't have been able to make a kill night 1 (since I was redirected to blocking him)

have you asked how the action resolution works? because i asked varsoon earlier about it and i don't think he checked

i assumed your role was first in action resolution so varsoon would have been blocked by you

I had asked yukari, confirmed that redirection would take precedence.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Explain how Kagami and Varsoon targeting me night one has anything to do with the price of tea in China wrt GCBC. I was commuted, in essence, by Kagami so Varsoon's targeting me had no effect. With that in mind, I have a question I hope can be answered.

@Yukari ~ if a player is commuted and also targeted by an xshot role! does it still use up that shot even though there is no target?

Yukari says no.
-Ran

@Yukari ~ a follow up. Did the gatekeeper force a commute or did it work differently?

[Jaqen Hghar]

@jaqen

GCBC couldn't be an SK or he wouldn't have been able to make a kill night 1 (since I was redirected to blocking him)

have you asked how the action resolution works? because i asked varsoon earlier about it and i don't think he checked

i assumed your role was first in action resolution so varsoon would have been blocked by you

I had asked yukari, confirmed that redirection would take precedence.

That could mean that if Kagami was redirected that the redirection would take precedence to who she targets. It doesn't necessarily mean that the redirect would take precedence over the gatekeep when they both target the same person. Let's wait for the follow up answer because the first one sounds like Varsoon may have not used his shit N1 after all...

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Why talk to Wayne? Who is scum?

Day off now. Working on this. My best guess is one amonst the claimed VTs, rest in PRs, but fuckifi'm sure.

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I liked his Day 1 posts and townread him from there.

His Day 2 came super strong early (lol) and idk.

As an SK though it completely changes things.

I'm easily deceived by AtE's.

It's my weakness Q_Q

I liked nonon better, no 'fense. but yeah go back and read kagami's explanations, I can't be SK. I can only be groupscum (I'm not) or town.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I don't think Kagami asked the right question. Yukari's response to my first question seems to contradict kagami's entire thought process. Call me crazy, but I'll take what Yukari says over anything a player says since Yukari holds all the cards.

[Yukari Yakumo]

Explain how Kagami and Varsoon targeting me night one has anything to do with the price of tea in China wrt GCBC. I was commuted, in essence, by Kagami so Varsoon's targeting me had no effect. With that in mind, I have a question I hope can be answered.

@Yukari ~ if a player is commuted and also targeted by an xshot role! does it still use up that shot even though there is no target?

Yukari says no.
-Ran

@Yukari ~ a follow up. Did the gatekeeper force a commute or did it work differently?

As Yukari said, Gatekeeper roleblocks and rolestops the target.
-Ran

[zMuffinMan]

Day off now. Working on this. My best guess is one amonst the claimed VTs, rest in PRs, but fuckifi'm sure.

do you have an actual reason for thinking one scum in VTs or is that because you think saki scum?

coz saki and sakura are the only claimed VTs still alive (i think?)

[Jaqen Hghar]

Varsoon's shot wasn't used N1. His shot was stopped.

Now my

crazy

theory on Varsoon and GCBC being scum together makes a lot more sense. Block precedes redirect precedes protect. The block would come first, so Varsoon couldn't have both targeted me and used his shot N1. I believe him that his shot was used up, but his claimed target makes no sense because his shot would have been stopped and not used.

GCBC exhibited he knows hi wall of Lush crumb their actions by recognizing the Muffin vote for what it was. So why didn't he pick up the cop crumb and the crumb on their short list fir investigation? The obvious answer is he didn't miss it.

I'm good lynching either Varsoon or GCBC.