The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)


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Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:52 am

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In post 1971, ActionDan wrote:Ok I thought his last posts might have changed your mind.

VOTE: tierce
You mean the posts in which he continues to push a crappy case based on things that aren't scummy, and cherry picks through the posts that are convenient to said case instead of doing proper analysis?

Oh okay.


CES is V/LA, shos.
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Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:06 am

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It was town
I'll give you a moment to let that sink in
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Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:41 am

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Nope. And especially not when the person who can actually read me and has been Townreading me just happens to be away for the week. The timing is perfect, right after CES declares V/LA.

"Preliminary" reading that has a terrible excuse for a vote because I asked for a claim and Shadoweh did the same, and is tailored to suit his purposes because Desperado proved sirdanilot did the same as well. Shadoweh did it, so Tierce doing it is scum! ...but sirdanilot doing it isn't. He's applying scumminess selectively, which means he's not truly looking for scum but for a nice target.
Claimed that I never mentioned JacobSavage again, which was not accurate.
Then amended it to me not going after him, and even
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Jacob, which is a direct contradiction to me not having mentioned Jacob. Either way, still not accurate, as I was saying that Majiffy's solo-vote on a wagon, which he placed five hours to deadline, was terrible; it had nothing to do with Jacob.
He misrepresented my view of Jacob by implying I called him confTown, which is a few hundred miles away from "this is a claim that sorts itself out".
He then proceeds to spin D2 and D3 into a weird convolution in which Jacob sheeps my Shadoweh conf-scum vote after Jacob voted me the previous Day as me being scum... for no reason, as I have nothing to do with Jacob's Shadoweh bus.

And that streak of posts starting at 1915 that you appear to like? Directed at shos, sirdanilot, Espeonage, ActionDan. Impressionable and volatile, impressionable and volatile, impressionable and volatile, scum. What a really Townish way of gathering votes instead of trying to communicate with the ones who
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I'm still waiting for the meta that never came, Mr. Dan. Feel free to attach it to an explanation as to how any of the above is Town-motivated and not scummy spin.
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Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:50 am

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What meta
I'll give you a moment to let that sink in
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Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:51 am

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In post 1966, Tierce wrote:
In post 1964, sirdanilot wrote:I am talking about day 3, not day 2. If you reread the events on day 2 the only obvious conclusion was that Shadoweh was scum.
Why did you not see that immediately?

Still not changin my vote, and you're getting awful close to a lynch, so why not just answer?
Because it was not the "only obvious conclusion". Her behavior around the D2 deadline looked Town.

Difficult to get that from my posts, I know, must be the whole GOD(DESS) TALK that you're not able to decipher.

D3 started. I voted my main suspect, then went back and looked at Natirasha and Majiffy's posts. I should have used my goddess powers to travel back in time and discover the crumb before Plum even posted Majiffy's flip. Will do so next time, thanks for the notice! ^_^
Weren't you reading the day during the night and saw the only obvious conclusion that Shadoweh was scum? Why on earth would she have otherwise flipped to me in such a scummy way?

I am not going to argue with you that I read shadoweh kinda town up to and including day 2. Congrats. But as soon as I read the events resulting in the no lynch, it was extremely obvious to me that shadoweh was scum.
You don't mention her again until D3, where you vote her after I reveal Majiffy's crumb. So tell me again how Shadoweh was so obvious scum that I should have time-traveled to be able to spot it before I went through Majiffy's ISO on D3?
I didn't arrive until after you had posted the crumb thing.
In post 1972, shos wrote:VOTE: sirdan
That is a product of poe.
Mostly townreads,peoplei want to keep alive, and well tierces poats yhis page are overwhelming for scum.

Ill admit i have yet to win as town against tierce, though. Dat gurl touches me deep.
This is terribad because of several reasons.
1. It is not properly typed, I do not understand what on earth 'Mostly townreads,peoplei want to keep alive, and well tierces poats yhis page are overwhelming for scum.' means
2. Voting because of a process of elminition is idiotic in this game, with its gazillions of people that need a vote. Vote Espeonage if you don't know who to vote.
3. Gut scum on tierce yet voting someone else (me who is obviously not scum) because of 'process of elimination'. kk
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Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:54 am

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In post 1979, sirdanilot wrote:1. It is not properly typed, I do not understand what on earth 'Mostly townreads,peoplei want to keep alive, and well tierces poats yhis page are overwhelming for scum.' means
What are you, 12?

He said "mostly townreads, people i want to keep alive, and well Tierce's posts this page are overwhelming for scum."
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Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:57 am

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In post 1961, Tierce wrote:Desperado: I don't think Shadoweh was bussing at the end of D2. It's much easier to see the interaction between her and ActionDan at that point as scum theater (including the whole "why isn't sirdanilot around to protest his lynch at 4:30 am!" between them) than her jump on the wagon at my behest (oooh, fancy vocabulary, it's evidence of all my Amazon goddess powers) on her scumbuddy, when we know she could easily pretend to be asleep instead of bussing.
It's only bussing if there's a corpse. I've already established that by the time she followed you on to sirdan, a NL was imminent. Following a town leader on to a scum wagon that you know will never come to fruition is a high-upside, no risk decision to make as scum.
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Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:59 am

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In post 1981, Desperado wrote:
In post 1961, Tierce wrote:Desperado: I don't think Shadoweh was bussing at the end of D2. It's much easier to see the interaction between her and ActionDan at that point as scum theater (including the whole "why isn't sirdanilot around to protest his lynch at 4:30 am!" between them) than her jump on the wagon at my behest (oooh, fancy vocabulary, it's evidence of all my Amazon goddess powers) on her scumbuddy, when we know she could easily pretend to be asleep instead of bussing.
It's only bussing if there's a corpse. I've already established that by the time she followed you on to sirdan, a NL was imminent. Following a town leader on to a scum wagon that you know will never come to fruition is a high-upside, no risk decision to make as scum.
Majiffy was around and posting elsewhere. There was plenty of risk.

What do you think of Peregrine and ActionDan?
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Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:02 am

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Majiffy had also categorically stated he wouldn't hammer his townreads (ABR and sirdan).

PV is town, AD could be scum and is more likely to be if I get my sweet sirdan scumflip.
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Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:12 am

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In post 1979, sirdanilot wrote:
In post 1966, Tierce wrote:
In post 1964, sirdanilot wrote:I am talking about day 3, not day 2. If you reread the events on day 2 the only obvious conclusion was that Shadoweh was scum.
Why did you not see that immediately?

Still not changin my vote, and you're getting awful close to a lynch, so why not just answer?
Because it was not the "only obvious conclusion". Her behavior around the D2 deadline looked Town.


Des, then the same question goes for you on how that case comes from Town.
Difficult to get that from my posts, I know, must be the whole GOD(DESS) TALK that you're not able to decipher.

D3 started. I voted my main suspect, then went back and looked at Natirasha and Majiffy's posts. I should have used my goddess powers to travel back in time and discover the crumb before Plum even posted Majiffy's flip. Will do so next time, thanks for the notice! ^_^
Weren't you reading the day during the night and saw the only obvious conclusion that Shadoweh was scum? Why on earth would she have otherwise flipped to me in such a scummy way?

I am not going to argue with you that I read shadoweh kinda town up to and including day 2. Congrats. But as soon as I read the events resulting in the no lynch, it was extremely obvious to me that shadoweh was scum.
Everyone and their mother has said that compromising on you at deadline is not scummy. YOU compromised on me because there was no time to get a wagon elsewhere, so don't start that shitty argument again because if you are Town you should know deadline switches to avoid no-lynches are not scummy, even if they fall in your royally super duper obvTown Highnass. She didn't look like scum, so I voted her when I found the actual evidence against her.
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Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:13 am

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Oh, great, kindle posting mishap. One moment.
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Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:15 am

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In post 1979, sirdanilot wrote:
In post 1966, Tierce wrote:
In post 1964, sirdanilot wrote:I am talking about day 3, not day 2. If you reread the events on day 2 the only obvious conclusion was that Shadoweh was scum.
Why did you not see that immediately?

Still not changin my vote, and you're getting awful close to a lynch, so why not just answer?
Because it was not the "only obvious conclusion". Her behavior around the D2 deadline looked Town.

Difficult to get that from my posts, I know, must be the whole GOD(DESS) TALK that you're not able to decipher.

D3 started. I voted my main suspect, then went back and looked at Natirasha and Majiffy's posts. I should have used my goddess powers to travel back in time and discover the crumb before Plum even posted Majiffy's flip. Will do so next time, thanks for the notice! ^_^
Weren't you reading the day during the night and saw the only obvious conclusion that Shadoweh was scum? Why on earth would she have otherwise flipped to me in such a scummy way?

I am not going to argue with you that I read shadoweh kinda town up to and including day 2. Congrats. But as soon as I read the events resulting in the no lynch, it was extremely obvious to me that shadoweh was scum.
Everyone and their mother has said that compromising on you at deadline is not scummy. YOU compromised on me because there was no time to get a wagon elsewhere, so don't start that shitty argument again because if you are Town you should know deadline switches to avoid no-lynches are not scummy, even if they fall in your royally super duper obvTown Highnass. She didn't look like scum, so I voted her when I found the actual evidence against her.


Des, then the same question goes for you on how that case comes from Town.
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Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:19 am

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Meta feels. Particularly the conviction he has, I don't think I've seen that from scum-PV before.
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Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:25 am

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tierce wrote:Everyone and their mother has said that compromising on you at deadline is not scummy. YOU compromised on me because there was no time to get a wagon elsewhere, so don't start that shitty argument again because if you are Town you should know deadline switches to avoid no-lynches are not scummy, even if they fall in your royally super duper obvTown Highnass. She didn't look like scum, so I voted her when I found the actual evidence against her.
1. I was obvtown (and am epecially since the shadoweh flip); you were not. She firmly townread me throughout the entire game, she assumed I was town. And she was right in doing so of course. Her flip made no sense. She could have also flipped to you, but she didn't.
2. The way in which she did it does not ring like a 'meh I still think sirdan is town but I want to lynch him anyway'to me. It rang like she was fabricating a scumread on me to get away with it. You, as the selft proclaimed mafiascum goddess should have spotted that.
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Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:39 am

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If I was scum with SirDan I'd never have voted him d2
I'll give you a moment to let that sink in
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Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:17 am

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In post 1975, Tierce wrote:
In post 1971, ActionDan wrote:Ok I thought his last posts might have changed your mind.

VOTE: tierce
You mean the posts in which he continues to push a crappy case based on things that aren't scummy, and cherry picks through the posts that are convenient to said case instead of doing proper analysis?
Show me proper analysis.

And make it not based on how someone reads you.

In addition to everything else, You've pushed and released Jacob (scum).
Pushed Majiffy-scum (town).
Pushed Shadow-scum (scum)
Pushed ABR-scum (town).
Pushed CES-scum, but he's now town.
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Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:11 am

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In post 1988, sirdanilot wrote:
tierce wrote:Everyone and their mother has said that compromising on you at deadline is not scummy. YOU compromised on me because there was no time to get a wagon elsewhere, so don't start that shitty argument again because if you are Town you should know deadline switches to avoid no-lynches are not scummy, even if they fall in your royally super duper obvTown Highnass. She didn't look like scum, so I voted her when I found the actual evidence against her.
1. I was obvtown (and am epecially since the shadoweh flip); you were not. She firmly townread me throughout the entire game, she assumed I was town. And she was right in doing so of course. Her flip made no sense. She could have also flipped to you, but she didn't.
2. The way in which she did it does not ring like a 'meh I still think sirdan is town but I want to lynch him anyway'to me. It rang like she was fabricating a scumread on me to get away with it. You, as the selft proclaimed mafiascum goddess should have spotted that.
Tell me who is scum in 2 scenarios.

1. Tierce flips scum

2. Tierce flips town
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Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:25 am

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I have no idea. I read CES as scum for the most part, but now there's talk of him being town? Why is this?
Esp scumread is kinda independent from Tierce.

I would guess desp and tierce make a good pairing?
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Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:03 am

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In post 1992, sirdanilot wrote:I have no idea. I read CES as scum for the most part, but now there's talk of him being town? Why is this?
No clue. Only one saying it is Teirce (unless I missed something and someone wants to point out their CES townread.)

He' still a pretty big null to me, which I don't like, frankly, on day5 of a game.
Esp scumread is kinda independent from Tierce.
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MafiaSSK - 2 - chamber, TheIrishPope

ActionDan - 1 - shos
PeregrineV - 1 -
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Not voting (2): JacobSavage, Espeonage

With 18 players alive it takes 10 votes to lynch.


Then look at this and give me the whys.
Why, if he is scum, did the wagon shift to JacobSavage, thier rolecop?
Who, if he is scum, is bussing?
I would guess desp and tierce make a good pairing?
If Desp were scum WITH Tierce, then he either
1. Hopes to defend her, so she is not lynched. Considering she is the only actual contestant so far today, kind of a risky move should she actually flip.
2. Busses her to gain town credit, since he'e also been riding the null wagon for 5 days.

Do you feel his posts are #1?
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Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:37 am

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Is it the usual town meta of PV to stay on the sidelines for 4 days, then suddenly launch a crusade on day 5?

Currently investigating the dead QTs of scum-Tierce.
I'm town. Please lynch someone else.
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Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:55 am

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In post 1994, Elscouta wrote:Is it the usual town meta of PV to stay on the sidelines for 4 days, then suddenly launch a crusade on day 5?

Currently investigating the dead QTs of scum-Tierce.

It depends. If I find something relevant, I crusade.
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Bands of the Swallow and of the Arch of Heaven there fight bitterly amid the wreck or contest the walls to east and west with the foe; but even as Tuor comes nigh driving the Orcs, one of those brazen snakes heaves against the western wall and a great mass of it shakes and falls, and behind comes a creature of fire and Balrogs upon it. Flames gust from the jaws of that worm and folk wither before it, and the wings of the helm of Tuor are blackened, but he stands and gathers about him his guard and all of the Arch and Swallow he can find, whereas on his right Ecthelion rallies the men of the Fountain of the South. Now the Orcs again take heart from the coming of the drakes, and they mingle with the Balrogs that pour about the breach, and they assail the Gondolindrim grievously.


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Espeonage
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ActionDan
- 1 - Tierce
Desperado
- 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Tierce
- 4 - PeregrineV, sirdanilot, Espeonage, ActionDan

sirdanilot
- 2 - Desperado, shos

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Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:02 pm

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We have a spare phase, I don't see why we shouldn't lynch Tierce here.
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Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:50 pm

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Espeonage wrote:We have a spare phase, I don't see why we shouldn't lynch Tierce here.
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I swear to god I see posts like that and NO ONE ELSE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND I START TO FROTH

I REMEMBER THE OLD DAYS

THE DARK BEAST INSIDE ME

THIS IS ALL ESPEONAGE IS THIS GAME

AND SOMEHOW ITS TIERCE STILL GUYS GOD DAMNIT
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Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:10 pm

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Spyrex I said multiple times that I am willing to vote Esp. But if nobody is following, Tierce is the way to go.
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