Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[Rubicon]

Rub, were you scum or town in 2.5 men?

Also I'm wondering why you asked this.

[Rubicon]

mastin

[Rubicon]

what are you even doing

[Rubicon]

...I specifically went out of my way to

avoid

doing those things. I specifically went out of my way to do things that I knew would freak people out who know me. Which is why people like Nero and Thor are town: because they're reacting how I expected of someone seeing that.

"I'm being scummy and not town at all but it's

on purpose

so it's okay!"

[Rubicon]

And btw, PV trolls as both alignments.

[Aegor]

This guy is town.

Reeeeaaaaaalllllly want an explanation of that.

All of the following posts are sketch and trying too hard:

Why are mine not among them? I was being sketch and trying too hard more than any other player. Heck, I still am.[/quote]
It did not seem that way to me. Except your postings on the last page.

[vezokpiraka]

This guy is town.

Reeeeaaaaaalllllly want an explanation of that.

That post was the towniest post I've read in the whole thread.

[Aegor]

That is a restatement, not an explanation.

[vezokpiraka]

He asks questions. He actually tries to think of othe rposibilities except Rubicon.
He gives a few reads. All in all I see that post coming from a very townie mindset.

[Toogeloo]

At the end of the day, I'm not overly concerned about the way you guys want to handle the VT thing. Either A) I'm not VT and it doesn't apply to me any ways and I probably don't any control over what you guys choose to do, or B) I am VT and would just use my ability the way I want anyways because screw herd mentality and giving scum info.

Like seriously. What if the Mafia have a Horde Protection ability? If we include one of their members in a list, of course they will use protection on that one player. The mechanic itself seems too random to have any abilities directly influence it, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if there are ways to protect against it.

I played TWD if you remember, and players had a "Hide" ability that protected them from being killed by zombies. If <i>anything</i> made it into the game from the previous, I would say protection from Zombie kills did.

[Toogeloo]

Oh, and Pidgey, you don't happen to play on GameFAQs for your other Mafia site, do you?

[BBmolla]

Toog, less game theory, more scumhunting

[AngryPidgeon]

My vote feels weak?
That is like the best thing I heard all day. Next time I'll do a case from only RVS posts.

Scum caught for the wrong reasons.

Mastin if you wanna be town you gotta stop misreading this hilarious scumbutt.

[mastin2]

Mastin if you wanna be town you gotta stop misreading this hilarious scumbutt.

Well, then, I guess I'm scum because I'm townreading Vezok and quite strongly so.

[sekai no ki]

You mean the elements of my play second-most like my null-normal self, perhaps arguably even *the* most like my normal null self? You're townreading me for THAT?

Yes.

We may very well both be terrible at reading you, but atm it's a fact not in evidence. For myself, I think my track record so far in our games hasn't been all that bad. We'll see how we do this time.

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: mastin2

[Nero Cain]

Actually I think I see that post of Toog's you are talking about as likely from town. I alsol iked his RVs. He posted something I disliked, but I can't remember what so meh. I'll call him null null-town for now.

FTR I call you AP. Pid is the other bird.

You guys, Mastin just posted but ignored EVERYTHING about me calling her scum.

Umm...no I didn't?

I am not. I repeat. NOT. Accepting townreads on me, when I've specifically gone out of my way to weird players out. Like...

Nero's response is probably from town.

That, I'd expect.

Not impressed. You didn't even deny that you were scum or even bother to ask my why I had a scumread on you. And, for me, the kickers is that last time I scum read you asked me to work with you. All that aside, what "response" did I give that was townNero?

@ Nero:

And furthermore, even if you believe that scum have a way to manipulate the horde, why are you condoning actually giving them more information to work with in order to better utilize said ability?

This feels like a town response, agree/disagree?

Not really. Like town talk about their reads all the time...we give scum info all the time. We are right now 'cause we are talking about our reads. So this whole "don't talk about your reads 'cause it gives scum info" seems overly cautious. The most pro-town way to use the mechanic is to use it as a weak vig and to coordinate it we'll have to talk about our reads.

I've played with Toog before and I think he says some blisterly anti-town shit as town so he's town via meta? IDK, I hate the idea of giving someone a townread based on derp.

Rub, were you scum or town in 2.5 men?

Also I'm wondering why you asked this.

I was curious. Why are you concerned about why I asked that?

[GuyInFreezer]

Toog, less game theory, more scumhunting

[GuyInFreezer]

Early morning townhunting
AP town
SnK town (pie is waaaaay easier to read than fery lol)
Nero Cain town
BBmolla town (I just didn't mention it earlier)
Aegor piegey town

am I missing someone?

[Nero Cain]

If anything made it into the game from the previous, I would say protection from Zombie kills did.

no

[GuyInFreezer]

If I flavor spec'd a bit and the mechanic, I think it's likely for scum to have something like bile bomb.

[ActionDan]

Ah I see your paragraph reasoning thor. But at this stage you can't possibly hope that a so called pressure wagon of one vote will get you anywhere. Or at least won't produce results simply based upon your vote.

[ActionDan]

Mastin if you wanna be town you gotta stop misreading this hilarious scumbutt.

Well, then, I guess I'm scum because I'm townreading Vezok and quite strongly so.

Why? His first post sucked

[Thor665]

Why would that make Toog likely town?

Well...basically you seem to agree with me that scum have some sort of mechanic to affect the horde.
Toog is arguing that there is no such mechanic due to mod and is *also* arguing that despite this fact we shouldn't reveal anything to scum.
What's the scum motive there? If they have an effect he's shooting them in the foot and if they don't then he's also shooting them in the foot. I just don't see scum wanting to get into that discussion in the way he did.

@Thor: Thoughts on Aegor? I may have missed them if you did post them.
Also, thoughts on Dan?

Aegor is probably a very slight town read for me.
I have no clear read on Action Dan - he feels like he's not trying to play the game right now. Let's call it a mild to medium scum lean.

Also, Thor's pretty likely town. His stances are reasonable and well-backed. I really like his approach to the game so far. Pretty much the only thing not to like is the DrippingChesskid vote, and even then, that's strongly Thor being Thor, not Thor being scum or Thor being town.

Walk me through how the Chessball vote is not worth liking.

Seeing several of my town reads in her scum pile was the wake up call I needed to realize her true nature.

What had created the town vibe prior to that?

[4] Rubicon: Vezokpiraka, PeregrineV, Zdenek, Toogeloo
[4] Vezokpiraka: Svenskt Stal, Aegor, pidgey, AngryPidgeon

Seriously, Vezok's the town counter-wagon to the scum Rubicon-wagon.

Any analysis about the wagons as they stand then?

Ah I see your paragraph reasoning thor. But at this stage you can't possibly hope that a so called pressure wagon of one vote will get you anywhere. Or at least won't produce results simply based upon your vote.

Which is probably why I'm trying to get other people to vote them or to justify not voting them.
Which is what started this conversation with you in the first place.

[ActionDan]

Or is the reason simply because he's a cw to Rubicon atm?

@cut. It's page 14 dood.