Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[Thor665]

@GiF I think those posts are it. We're overdue a synch.

You ought to synch up votes first.
GiF is voting...let's see...Alp...
Wanna join in?

[Svenskt Stål]

and she has a horrible stance on skype mafia

alp wagon is cool but i am going to #rebel and stay on vbezok

Why?

why what

[Svenskt Stål]

because if you are going to ask why i am voting vezok/ still voting vezok my response will be to read the thread

if its why i rebel then its because thats how i yolo

alp wagon is cool cuz i say so

and ffer sucks couse she hates skype mafia

[AngryPidgeon]

Welcome to the game, RC! RC is town (call it gut for now).

Can you explain your townread on pidgey for me? I don't really have one at all and I don't see anything in your post that indicates you should have one either.

UNVOTE: SweatingChessBall3; VOTE: mastin2

I have ZERO motivation as scum to make that fucking qoute post

I hadnt really paid attention to BB until a bit and I'm not liking his presence in the game. He is softly defending fucking scummy players like majiffy without any real thought or presence.

Thats usually just his MO though?

I've reread bulba vs sven sudden outburst and I dont really know who to side with.

Why do you necessarily need to side with either?

You're [pidgey] p town to me

Why?

Im going to go insane if I have to read ffery myself.

Why?

What do you hope to gain from asking this? The best I can offer you is a non-answer: I'm waffling on her and paranoid? A lot of her interactions with me feel faked although there is nothing I can point to that is solid to support that. I don't think shes being useful this game and I want to scumread her for that although she has said things I generally see come from town.

No one cares about your Zdenek side debate right now

This ^

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: pidgey
Because it still feels like hes avoiding doing anything that he personally finds interesting. It feels like hes just trying to go with the flow. Not sure how permanent this vote is, but I want to make a point at least.

[AngryPidgeon]

GIF/Sekai/pidgey.
These are people I'd like to see pressure on.

Towncore as of this post: Zdenek, Toogeloo, Thor, AP, Red Coyote
Buy some wonka bars if you wanna be added to the town core.

[Svenskt Stål]

rc´s post was good but i´d like to see some interactions

AP, have i become more town or has pidgey managed to out scum me?

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, have i become more town or has pidgey managed to out scum me?

I'm resisting the urge to go all out attack on pidgey. I get really really bad feels from that slot which makes me sad because I want him to be town.

I also somewhat doubt you/oidgey are a team after reading his last post. Similarly I doubt Vezok/mastin are a team.

[AngryPidgeon]

1) You say we should sheep Thor to get a win, but you don't vote SC with him.

As a totally meaningless sidenote, SC = StrangerCoug. Different acronyms for DGB/Chess will help me.

[AngryPidgeon]

This is way overthought. Ain't no one going to remember what mastin said in some stray post about dopog on page 6 on day 4, page 68. So to say that mastin is taking a mislynch off the table is a joke at best. Players change their minds all the time. Other players forget what other players reads are. Heck, look at the post above. AD made a grand total of five posts when Thor asked AD what his DGB read was.

I like this.

This is oddly specific. Why?

Completely non-serious. BBMolla was a Mafia Usurper Traitor in Anything Goes mafia just recently so I was making hilarious jokez by referencing it. More seriously, I have a loose townread on Molla right now.

[GuyInFreezer]

Why?

Even though his posts are pretty generic, I find him dropping by time to time expressing his thoughts pretty town.

What do you hope to gain from asking this?

By progressive gain, probably none. By motivational gain, plenty.

[PeregrineV]

I guess the disappeared posts are just gone.

Skim/read, but not hard-reading.

Vote: Alpacazard

for great speedwagon justice!

What made Rubuicon stop being scum?

Saw the RedCotoye summary, but need more time to link-click.

@Toog

- what was your disagreement with it?

[AngryPidgeon]

Even though his posts are pretty generic, I find him dropping by time to time expressing his thoughts pretty town.

Wow GIF.

This is a pretty mindblowing reason to townread someone.

[mastin2]

^ AH HA, THE TRIED AND TRUE

PHONEPOSTING
WORK
LURKER

SITE-CRASH SCUMTELL. SCUM DETECTED.

What you say with irony, I say with sincerity. Scum using the excuse of lost posts not to contribute is exploiting the site crash for its maximum value.

I'm waffling on Vezok. I won't let mastin persuade me just yet.

Would it help or hurt your read if I

fake

claimed masons with Vezok?

Vezok lynch is pretty bleh.

Indeed.

Alright, I just read up the game. I don't expect anyone to read over my notes word for word since I will sum everything up at the end, but you should read through them if you want a better idea about how I'm arriving at my conclusions. I would also like it if you read the questions I ask of you specifically.

GAH.

I want to call RC scum for this. I want to say that he's misrepping, that he quote-stripped and removed context to paint a scummy picture, and that there's absolutely no sense in his reads. I want to say that this is a scum-him. This game would be SO much easier if he was actually scum. But no. He's not. I'm pretty dang certain that this is a town-RC. Just an RC who might be accurate in some areas but is otherwise completely and entirely off-base.

I think he would draw more attention to himself by voting himself (even though he's the second player to do so) than he would by joining the leading wagon.

Then you don't know anything about players looking back on RVS wagons. They do so immediately, analyzing the size of the wagon and determining who (if any) the scum are on it...and

they never stop

. They come back to that same RVS wagon throughout the entire game. No, seriously. I see it done, time and time again, across all games. The easiest example to cite is in Xenogears, where there was an eight-person wagon in the early-stages of the game on TiphaineDeath. All nine players were analyzed to death (literally, death) on that wagon--not just immediately. But continuously throughout the game. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. That's why it was a scumtell from Rubicon.

(Yes. I am fully aware that I intentionally avoided the Aegor wagon, too. I pointed it out then, too, that it was a scumtell. If I was playing like my town self, I would have mindlessly jumped onto the wagon, in spite of my townread on him.)

Not everything I'm posting is

actually

serious. It's just meant to look that way.

Everything I post is at least

semi-serious

, in that

I do have reasons for it--but

I do exaggerate

.

I despise this entire post, but this segment in particular seems very forced.

Except the dialog you paint below is explained in the second half of the quote. Ignore the word "actually" and use the more accurate "entirely". Throughout that post (and all subsequent posts!), I make it crystal-clear that's what I meant. I've even bolded the relevant parts, emphasizing it. No, my dopog townread was not entirely serious. Yes, it was still somewhat-serious, in that I picked up the vibe that dopog would be lynched this game, and that it was more likely to be a mislynch. I explained this. It's present throughout my posting, that semi-serious-but-not-entirely-serious mindset. My entire RVS presence was meant to look serious because it was meant to be taken seriously. Yet if you bother to read those posts for more than a second, you'll realize exactly how transparently semi-serious (rather than entirely serious or entirely joking) they are.

And if you think that being semi-serious in the RVS is a scumtell for me or for anyone, you can go straight to hell because that's a fundamental scumhunting technique that I've used even when I was a VI in 2009. It's carried over throughout my games over the years, and likely influenced other players to act similarly. (For instance, AP's posting in Anything Goes started out semi-seriously. He was not entirely serious...yet he was not entirely joking, either. It was a mid-way between the two, scumhunting in his own unique way.)

...I specifically went out of my way to

avoid

doing those things.

Eh, cop out. I don't buy it.

Then you don't know me. At all. It's right there. In my posting. That painfully-obvious effort to not be the same person. There are elements of my posting that are still Mastin-in-general. There are elements of my posting that are a town Mastin. And there are a

lot

of elements in my posting that are a scum Mastin, intentionally so.

(Why? Because bluntly...my scum game is currently better than my town game. As scum, I have a plan, and my plan always works, or comes close to working. As scum, I can control the system, manipulate the strings, and make town players do my bidding. But my town game

hasn't

been going that well. I've been making the wrong calls. I've been becoming mislynch-bait. I've been a mediocre-at-BEST player, who can only hope to provide moral support to the town players actually effective at hunting scum. I'm sure of the wrong people, and paranoid of the wrong people. I want the magic of my scumgame to apply to my towngame. I want to bring my towngame back up from the brink of extinction. I want to stop sucking. I want to stop being a bad town player. So I'm deliberately playing partially to my scum meta. Explaining all of my reads in as much detail as I can among the more obvious things that I've done differently. Because a scum-me can do that. [Well...most of the time.] A town-me...hasn't. To the point where my scum-self even began mimicking that lack of explanation because it became such a strong towntell. And I'm sick of that. Of, frustratingly, having been off my mark. Time. And time. again. Of maybe eventually getting nightkilled, but having been nightkilled more out of pity and respect for my theoretical capabilities rather than for my actual skill. You don't know me. As AP said, I know me, better than any other player knows themselves. So, yes. I know I am different. Not only from my town-self, but also different in general, in that I'm intentionally sending off a completely different vibe.)

"I'm completely different now, so if you have a scumread on me, it's because you haven't figured out the new me yet~!"

Except...I've said

exactly

the opposite. "I'm completely different now, so why the

hell

are you townreading me?!?" Seriously. You can't miss it. It's literally painted throughout my iso, with sekai's and GIF's reads on me in particular. Their townreads on me made zero sense, because there was literally nothing to be townread. I can sort-of see someone townreading me now. (Especially vezok. He might not have said so as wordily as others, but I

get

his reasoning. I know why he's townreading me in spite of a lack of detailed explanation.) But there was no reason. Absolutely none. To townread my earlier posting, which was null, weird, and/or scum of me to have posted.

He's all over the place.

Which is part of the reason he's town. When you get an insane player like me or AP, sure, yeah, being "all over the place"

can

be a scumtell. But generally? Generally, a person being all over the place is a town player who hasn't gotten into their element, rather than a scum player lashing out at every possible target.

Lastly, in 320, I want to point out mastin continually beating players over the head with the "I'm different now; this means you can't scumread me". mastin isn't saying those words exactly, but doing just enough to get you to arrive at that conclusion on your own.

Again, except

that's the exact opposite of everything I've been saying

. I've said AS EXPLICITLY AS CAN BE, "I'm playing differently, so

why the

hell

are you TOWNreading me?!?

" That doesn't run both ways. That's not me saying I can't be read, that I should be null and neither town nor scum. It's me saying that I shouldn't be a townread. Not that I shouldn't be a scumread. Bluntly, players who know me SHOULD have been scumreading me, and the way that Thor, AP, and Nero did so was all incredibly town. If their accusations had been unjustified, I would have called them out on them. But simply put, they weren't, because they were right.

Your case on vezok is entirely wrong, too. As is this.

If I had to pick, it would probably be BB.

BBMolla was asked to make himself obvtown within 48 hours...and he delivered. This is his towngame. Not his scumgame. It is there, in his mindset, in his posting. Ignore the amount of words. BBMolla's never been much for elaborate wording. As others have said, I can extrapolate the words and expand them out into a mindset. And with that in mind, by reading Molla's content, you can tell that he's thinking like town and not like scum

The jury is still out on

Majiffy

,

Alpazard

and

Sven

. I've got them in a null territory.

Majiffy and Sven are both scum. Alpa's a dead-null of mine.

[

Town

]------Aegor-Toog----Rubicon-----AP-Bulb--NC-pidgey---Alpazard-Sven-[

∙

]Majiffy--GIF-Thor--SC-Pere--Zde--sekai-AD-dopog--BB----vez--mastin-----[

Scum

]

The first good reads you have here are sekai and Dan; everyone further down your list I can guarantee is town. Zdenek being right there in (presumably) nullscum territory is also bad; Zdenek's one of my strongest townreads. PeregrineV is, too. ChessBall is another one who's also town, with a town-oriented mindset and content. As is Thor. That said, there's only one townread of yours that I actually disagree with, that being Rubicon. You're essentially townreading Rubicon because you're scumreading me. You might not think that's the case, but it is; your entire reasoning for having Rubicon as town basically resolves around me flipping scum.

As I said. Would be much simpler if you were scum, because these reads would then be justifiable. (Having scumbuddies be mostly in null, for distancing purposes, but keeping them from being scumreads.) But sadly, you're town. Just...town who is very, VERY wrong on most of these things.

[mastin2]

Oops.

Mod: please delete the broken version above

.

^ AH HA, THE TRIED AND TRUE

PHONEPOSTING
WORK
LURKER

SITE-CRASH SCUMTELL. SCUM DETECTED.

What you say with irony, I say with sincerity. Scum using the excuse of lost posts not to contribute is exploiting the site crash for its maximum value.

I'm waffling on Vezok. I won't let mastin persuade me just yet.

Would it help or hurt your read if I

fake

claimed masons with Vezok?

Vezok lynch is pretty bleh.

Indeed.

Alright, I just read up the game. I don't expect anyone to read over my notes word for word since I will sum everything up at the end, but you should read through them if you want a better idea about how I'm arriving at my conclusions. I would also like it if you read the questions I ask of you specifically.

GAH.

I want to call RC scum for this. I want to say that he's misrepping, that he quote-stripped and removed context to paint a scummy picture, and that there's absolutely no sense in his reads. I want to say that this is a scum-him. This game would be SO much easier if he was actually scum. But no. He's not. I'm pretty dang certain that this is a town-RC. Just an RC who might be accurate in some areas but is otherwise completely and entirely off-base.

I think he would draw more attention to himself by voting himself (even though he's the second player to do so) than he would by joining the leading wagon.

Then you don't know anything about players looking back on RVS wagons. They do so immediately, analyzing the size of the wagon and determining who (if any) the scum are on it...and

they never stop

. They come back to that same RVS wagon throughout the entire game. No, seriously. I see it done, time and time again, across all games. The easiest example to cite is in Xenogears, where there was an eight-person wagon in the early-stages of the game on TiphaineDeath. All nine players were analyzed to death (literally, death) on that wagon--not just immediately. But continuously throughout the game. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. That's why it was a scumtell from Rubicon.

(Yes. I am fully aware that I intentionally avoided the Aegor wagon, too. I pointed it out then, too, that it was a scumtell. If I was playing like my town self, I would have mindlessly jumped onto the wagon, in spite of my townread on him.)

Not everything I'm posting is

actually

serious. It's just meant to look that way.

Everything I post is at least

semi-serious

, in that

I do have reasons for it--but

I do exaggerate

.

I despise this entire post, but this segment in particular seems very forced.

Except the dialog you paint below is explained in the second half of the quote. Ignore the word "actually" and use the more accurate "entirely". Throughout that post (and all subsequent posts!), I make it crystal-clear that's what I meant. I've even bolded the relevant parts, emphasizing it. No, my dopog townread was not entirely serious. Yes, it was still somewhat-serious, in that I picked up the vibe that dopog would be lynched this game, and that it was more likely to be a mislynch. I explained this. It's present throughout my posting, that semi-serious-but-not-entirely-serious mindset. My entire RVS presence was meant to look serious because it was meant to be taken seriously. Yet if you bother to read those posts for more than a second, you'll realize exactly how transparently semi-serious (rather than entirely serious or entirely joking) they are.

And if you think that being semi-serious in the RVS is a scumtell for me or for anyone, you can go straight to hell because that's a fundamental scumhunting technique that I've used even when I was a VI in 2009. It's carried over throughout my games over the years, and likely influenced other players to act similarly. (For instance, AP's posting in Anything Goes started out semi-seriously. He was not entirely serious...yet he was not entirely joking, either. It was a mid-way between the two, scumhunting in his own unique way.)

...I specifically went out of my way to

avoid

doing those things.

Eh, cop out. I don't buy it.

Then you don't know me. At all. It's right there. In my posting. That painfully-obvious effort to not be the same person. There are elements of my posting that are still Mastin-in-general. There are elements of my posting that are a town Mastin. And there are a

lot

of elements in my posting that are a scum Mastin, intentionally so.

(Why? Because bluntly...my scum game is currently better than my town game. As scum, I have a plan, and my plan always works, or comes close to working. As scum, I can control the system, manipulate the strings, and make town players do my bidding. But my town game

hasn't

been going that well. I've been making the wrong calls. I've been becoming mislynch-bait. I've been a mediocre-at-BEST player, who can only hope to provide moral support to the town players actually effective at hunting scum. I'm sure of the wrong people, and paranoid of the wrong people. I want the magic of my scumgame to apply to my towngame. I want to bring my towngame back up from the brink of extinction. I want to stop sucking. I want to stop being a bad town player. So I'm deliberately playing partially to my scum meta. Explaining all of my reads in as much detail as I can among the more obvious things that I've done differently. Because a scum-me can do that. [Well...most of the time.] A town-me...hasn't. To the point where my scum-self even began mimicking that lack of explanation because it became such a strong towntell. And I'm sick of that. Of, frustratingly, having been off my mark. Time. And time. again. Of maybe eventually getting nightkilled, but having been nightkilled more out of pity and respect for my theoretical capabilities rather than for my actual skill. You don't know me. As AP said, I know me, better than any other player knows themselves. So, yes. I know I am different. Not only from my town-self, but also different in general, in that I'm intentionally sending off a completely different vibe.)

"I'm completely different now, so if you have a scumread on me, it's because you haven't figured out the new me yet~!"

Except...I've said

exactly

the opposite. "I'm completely different now, so why the

hell

are you townreading me?!?" Seriously. You can't miss it. It's literally painted throughout my iso, with sekai's and GIF's reads on me in particular. Their townreads on me made zero sense, because there was literally nothing to be townread. I can sort-of see someone townreading me now. (Especially vezok. He might not have said so as wordily as others, but I

get

his reasoning. I know why he's townreading me in spite of a lack of detailed explanation.) But there was no reason. Absolutely none. To townread my earlier posting, which was null, weird, and/or scum of me to have posted.

He's all over the place.

Which is part of the reason he's town. When you get an insane player like me or AP, sure, yeah, being "all over the place"

can

be a scumtell. But generally? Generally, a person being all over the place is a town player who hasn't gotten into their element, rather than a scum player lashing out at every possible target.

Lastly, in 320, I want to point out mastin continually beating players over the head with the "I'm different now; this means you can't scumread me". mastin isn't saying those words exactly, but doing just enough to get you to arrive at that conclusion on your own.

Again, except

that's the exact opposite of everything I've been saying

. I've said AS EXPLICITLY AS CAN BE, "I'm playing differently, so

why the

hell

are you TOWNreading me?!?

" That doesn't run both ways. That's not me saying I can't be read, that I should be null and neither town nor scum. It's me saying that I shouldn't be a townread. Not that I shouldn't be a scumread. Bluntly, players who know me SHOULD have been scumreading me, and the way that Thor, AP, and Nero did so was all incredibly town. If their accusations had been unjustified, I would have called them out on them. But simply put, they weren't, because they were right.

Your case on vezok is entirely wrong, too. As is this.

If I had to pick, it would probably be BB.

BBMolla was asked to make himself obvtown within 48 hours...and he delivered. This is his towngame. Not his scumgame. It is there, in his mindset, in his posting. Ignore the amount of words. BBMolla's never been much for elaborate wording. As others have said, I can extrapolate the words and expand them out into a mindset. And with that in mind, by reading Molla's content, you can tell that he's thinking like town and not like scum

The jury is still out on

Majiffy

,

Alpazard

and

Sven

. I've got them in a null territory.

Majiffy and Sven are both scum. Alpa's a dead-null of mine.

[

Town

]------Aegor-Toog----Rubicon-----AP-Bulb--NC-pidgey---Alpazard-Sven-[

∙

]Majiffy--GIF-Thor--SC-Pere--Zde--sekai-AD-dopog--BB----vez--mastin-----[

Scum

]

The first good reads you have here are sekai and Dan; everyone further down your list I can guarantee is town. Zdenek being right there in (presumably) nullscum territory is also bad; Zdenek's one of my strongest townreads. PeregrineV is, too. ChessBall is another one who's also town, with a town-oriented mindset and content. As is Thor. That said, there's only one townread of yours that I actually disagree with, that being Rubicon. You're essentially townreading Rubicon because you're scumreading me. You might not think that's the case, but it is; your entire reasoning for having Rubicon as town basically resolves around me flipping scum.

As I said. Would be much simpler if you were scum, because these reads would then be justifiable. (Having scumbuddies be mostly in null, for distancing purposes, but keeping them from being scumreads.) But sadly, you're town. Just...town who is very, VERY wrong on most of these things.

[GuyInFreezer]

Wow GIF.

This is a pretty mindblowing reason to townread someone.

I find carefree "lol just my two cents" posts quite town.

[GuyInFreezer]

[mastin2]

Welcome to the game, RC! RC is town (call it gut for now).

Odd. If it were my gut, RC'd be scum. It's my

logic

telling me RC's town this game, because it's the same RC from Walking Dead. You could say...it's a

dead-ringer

.

Because it still feels like hes avoiding doing anything that he personally finds interesting. It feels like hes just trying to go with the flow. Not sure how permanent this vote is, but I want to make a point at least.

I actually picked up a similar vibe, in that pidgey's posting doesn't seem to be making an impact, in that pidgey's stances seem highly convenient and not particularly original. However, I kinda remember having thought the same of pidgey in HP/MGS, until pidgey got pressured and was forced to play more aggressively.

Guess we can wagon pidgey to find out if he does so, but my read on pidgey is still basically null, and I like keeping my vote on scum.

GIF/Sekai/pidgey.
These are people I'd like to see pressure on.

Towncore as of this post: Zdenek, Toogeloo, Thor, AP, Red Coyote

I'm okay with all of this. Add in Nero to the towncore, though. And Aegor. Bulb's not a bad addition, either. Also, BBMolla should be in there. If I had my way, you'd also add in dopog and vezok, though I can understand your reluctance. Still, though. You've got no reason not to add Nero/Aegor/Bulb/BBM in.

Random note--I feel like Alpa's the replacement-counterwagon to the scum-Sven wagon. Vezok didn't gain momentum because having me defend a player will typically have that effect. So, instead of wagoning a townread, they wagon a nullread--not just of me, but of most players, so that there is very little resistance against the wagon, and that the wagons on scum players like Rubicon and Sven and Majiffy are completely and entirely forgotten.

[mastin2]

You could say...it's a

dead-ringer

.

ITT mastin is scum for making bad zombie puns in a zombie game.

[mastin2]

(This image is awesome, by the way. Totally stealing it for future reference.)

[AngryPidgeon]

Would it help or hurt your read if I fakeclaimed masons with Vezok?

I can't steer the zombies over to you any harder than I already intend to.

What you say with irony, I say with sincerity. Scum using the excuse of lost posts not to contribute is exploiting the site crash for its maximum value.

You are either confirmation biasing about this or just assigning scum motivation to Majiffy's post because you are scum.

Just an RC who might be accurate in some areas but is otherwise completely and entirely off-base.

No, no. You are expecting people to scumread you for your early game posts, remember? RC posting this is expected and :goodposting:.

I want to stop being a bad town player. So I'm deliberately playing partially to my scum meta.

Mastin your posts are TERRIBLE this game. You should strongly reconsider your life choices if you are town (you aren't).

with sekai's and GIF's reads on me in particular. Their townreads on me made zero sense

Yes distance from your teammates on your way out the door.

Alpa's a dead-null of mine.

You keep promising to fix this. Its not like their ISO is enormous.

You're essentially townreading Rubicon because you're scumreading me

Uhhhhhhhhh

--

Ya, mastin is scum. And re Town core: No. This town core is a town core. not a place for bullshit willynilly reads on people like Molla who certainly havent posted enough to be probably town yet.

[vezokpiraka]

Mastin: I don't think Sven is scum. Read his posts. He is way too cocky and proud to be scum. If he was scum he'd think in another way.

like how do you forget WHY you vote someone?

IT CANT BE A STRONG READ???

Just look at this post. It's a townie tunneling. In his mind I am scum and he doesn't understand why people don't see that too.

Majiffy on the other hand is the scummiest player still alive.

[pidgey]

Lol what

How am i keeping it safe and being cautious with my read? Im postin basically anything hat fucking crosses my mi d and im still doing much more than half the game even if im on a fuckin vacation a themomen. Tellme why the hell do you think vezok is town? His vote on rubicon i think was shit and ive seen nothing else worth my pressure or my time, not to mention half the people here are not playin and lurkn o varely making a fuckng effort (hi bbmolla)

Iwontfucking omgus because i dont realy think you'd pressurr me if scum since i can be fkn annoyin bu you suck for voting and puttng pressure on me when i just announced a vla but no way im getting voted for not making a fkn effort over scums majiff/vezok/maybe sven

[pidgey]

Oh add bbmolla to the maybes too

Ap prob town for now, and GIF because he made a cool comic

[pidgey]

Ap- i dont "need" to make a read on sven vs bulba but i felt it occupier enough space in the stupid thread to mention it? Fucking prblem?

Also regarding bbmolla, its not the fac that he is defending without content, is who he is defending

[pidgey]

Mastin is still terrible but cant tell if hes terrible town