Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[mastin2]

Bite me

Alpa's gone from a mild townread into a full townread. Never lynch that.

GiF, why are you town reading me?

Because, more likely than not, he's scum?

Vote alpha with me. He's gonna either hilariously obvtown himself or hilariously obvscum himself.

Hey look, this is the exact sort of thing I post when Im scum (Antihero Mafia) and that I have used to find scum before.

Then stop scumreading me for having the same thoughts as you and start realizing that I wouldn't be doing this type of distancing act with a scumbuddy.

you didn't actually refute any of it. it's p obvious that's what he meant.

Refuting a point implies that the point was invalid. It wasn't. Rubicon, I refuted. RC, I refuted. Nero, AP, Thor, et all, I did not.

although now that you bring this up this seems like a case of townreading the person scumreading you so they back off

Though this is a tactic that I'll employ as scum, it's simply not the case. I already explained it, several times. It's not the act of them scumreading me that's making me townread them. If it was, Rubicon woulda been a townread. It's the WAY they went about having done so. AP did so in an INCREDIBLY town manner. Thor's handling was also quite town, as was Nero's. RC's way wasn't town, but the overall post he made

was

town. There are people townreading me that I am townreading; there are people scumreading me that I am scumreading. Because the two are entirely separate. This isn't some reverse-OMGUS. If you bothered looking at my posts, you'd see that.

this is too abrasive to be town mastin.

You already know this isn't a tell from me. Additionally, I already explained my feelings on the matter, in that RC hit some very sensitive notes that I was ticked off about. I also was legitimately ticked off at him--because he's a player I know and respect. Because I've been playing with RC since before he joined MS.net. (He was among the top EM players in our day. I was also fairly good.) Because he's someone I expected to be better, and then he presented those absolutely-crappy reasonings and scumreads.

Dead serious, my first impression of that post was that it came from scum, specifically because it wasn't as good as I was expecting from him. Specifically because the reasons were crap and the reads were mostly crap. So, yes, I'm "downplaying" RC's skill. Because RC is better than what he presented, there. As I said before, legitimately wondered what he was smoking in order to have created the train of thought that he did. I will not discredit RC as a player, because I respect his talent. I will discredit his reads, because they do not match the level that they should for him.

mastin is all about working and interacting with other people.

And I did so in that post. There's more than one way to work with others and interact with them.

not only that but she's implying RC is worse than a VI bc she's saying that was a scumhunting technique she used ever since she was a VI.

wat.
Seriously, this makes no sense.

not only that but she's being suspicious of RC without actually trying to figure anything out about his alignment and she instead writes him off as town.

Double-watt.

[4] Alpazard: GuyInFreezer, Thor665, PeregrineV, sekai no ki
[1] GuyInFreezer: mastin2
[4] Svenskt Stål: ActionDan, Alpazard, Bulbazak, Zdenek

Much as GiF may be scum, I got distracted by the shiny.
VOTE: Sven the Staller.

He notices that Mastin has a gut town read on someone who hasn't posted yet, has since not mentioned a read on Mastin, but has defended Mastin's reads, and he's been voting other people.
Basically, with the strength of read on Mastin that he should have picked up from the first observation, he should be exhibiting much more suspicion of Mastin than he is.

Frankly I think this is because he's buddies with Mastin and doesn't want to bus, but it's scummy in it's own right.

Um, Z, if you think I'm scum, you go for me, first.

Thirty pages and not one hint of game-decimating paranoia.

Umm...read his posts again? They're filled to the brim with paranoia. Okay, so maybe not game-decimating paranoia. But there's paranoia present. For instance, his read of me. Depending on your viewpoint, either really-paranoid of me being scum, or slightly-paranoid of me actually being town, but either way you slice it, still paranoia.

Thirty pages and not one hint of game-decimating paranoia.

Very intentional.

Now you're just taunting me. >_<

(:P)

Every time someone talked about wagoning the Alpaca, mastin would go out of her way to say "let me get back to you about them [the Alpaca]".

And after doing that multiple times, she just apparently decided she didn't care and is now calling them dead null.

Um, actually, I already was calling them a mild townread. Now, they're a serious townread.

Read the last ten pages. Was bored.

Conveniently enough, being bored is one of the motivating factors of me progressively reverting back into my normal self. The post where I explained it fully is currently lost, but basically: while I'm enjoying a LOT of the new stuff, and like the feeling it's given (people are actually treating me like a normal player, rather than some higher-tier master), it's becoming a bit boring to do, and I'm considering adding life to my game.

In particular, there's one thing I could do to instantly become obvtown, and I've been holding back from having done so.

[AngryPidgeon]

god damn it

UNVOTE: mastin
VOTE: Alpacazard

[Bulbazak]

Forgot to say this in my last post, but Thor has gone from "Might be town. Let's wait and see." to "Def. town. Don't lynch ever.". Molla is town as well.

It worked hilariously well in Cash Cabd

(In fact, it worked so well that one vote was enough)

One game from a while ago that you voted me when I was the only remaining scum left in a town with a cop and a doctor in my way

Yeah you're right I totally am readable by my vote reactions

Yep. You're scum.

And if you think that being semi-serious in the RVS is a scumtell for me or for anyone, you can go straight to hell because that's a fundamental scumhunting technique that I've used even when I was a VI in 2009. It's carried over throughout my games over the years, and likely influenced other players to act similarly. (For instance, AP's posting in Anything Goes started out semi-seriously. He was not entirely serious...yet he was not entirely joking, either. It was a mid-way between the two, scumhunting in his own unique way.)

mastin is scum. this is too abrasive to be town mastin. mastin is all about working and interacting with other people. I can't see town-him ever telling people to go "straight to hell". not only that but he's implying RC is worse than a VI bc he's saying that was a scumhunting technique he used ever since he was a VI. not only that but he's being suspicious of RC without actually trying to figure anything out about his alignment and he instead writes him off as town. put two and two together and he's basically discrediting and downplaying the skill level of someone he thinks is town which is smth I could never see from someone who enjoys the humanity aspect o the game. the rest of the post is way too forceful and not similar at all to what I know of his towngame (compare to these posts from AOT 1 2)

I've seen Mastin be abrasive as town as well. Besides, I wouldn't call what he said here to be super abrasive. It's actually something I'd expect more from a town player, and Mastin's later post saying that there was no better way to say that, and that as scum he could have left it unsaid further proves that. I also don't think he's implying anything about RC that you do. He's just saying that he completely disagrees with RC's reads. And if you really want to prove that town Mastin wouldn't do this, you need to post evidence from his town games, not his scum games, which again, are not similar to this post at all.

545 and now mastin and vezok are both going to Majiffy. this feels like the exact same fking thing as what happened in AOT where he and Pasch townread each other and had practically the same reads

The same can be said about Mastin and I. Are we scumbuddies together?

554 mb I'm off bc of disappearing posts but it feels like Aegor is slipping through the cracks and he literally put practically all the major scumspects. townread here took a bit of a hit

Aegor seems to be like Rainbowdash in terms of getting rid of the chaff early on. I don't like how you're going after him here for it, though.

560 add "confrontational attitude" to the list of reasons mastin is scum

I wouldn't call this confrontational. Why would you? I can't decide whether you're scum trying to get rid of a strong player with decent suspicion, or if you're town stuck too far in conf. bias to be of any use.

Still don't know what to make of that hydra. Ffery's posts makes me think that they might be town, but then Pie's posts make me doubt that read.

god so many posts

coffee being made as we speak

LETS CATCH SOME FUCKING SCUM YEEEEHAAAAW

This looks fake.

He notices that Mastin has a gut town read on someone who hasn't posted yet

Yeah, and her reasoning was Mastin reasoning. It's not worth pursuing at this time, if at all.

has since not mentioned a read on Mastin

I called her town in the vanished posts.

but has defended Mastin's reads

That's because they're similar to my reads.

and he's been voting other people.

Yes. That's what you do in this game. You vote people you think might be scum.

Basically, with the strength of read on Mastin that he should have picked up from the first observation, he should be exhibiting much more suspicion of Mastin than he is.

I didn't have a very strong read on Mastin, and I've learned not to rush into reading her this early in the game. I took my time developing my read, and now that I have it, I feel very certain of it.

Frankly I think this is because he's buddies with Mastin and doesn't want to bus, but it's scummy in it's own right.

You should really know better than this by now. If I was scum, I'd have came out with a read on Mastin right away.

Cautious town read on Svenskt.

Why?

Why what? Why my read is cautious? Why it's town?

Why is he a cautious town read?

You should be in a pretty good position to discern our alignment.

I'm not, though.

VOTE: mastin.

Read the last ten pages. Was bored.

Why is you being bored about a player a good reason to vote them?

Sven's most recent posts are making me wonder if I'm wrong about his sincerity.

Unvote

Vote Majiffy

I'm more sure about this one.

[Svenskt Stål]

god damn it

UNVOTE: mastin
VOTE: Alpacazard

expand on red please

[PeregrineV]

Caught up from page 20whatever.

Could comment on comments to my comments, but I'm good. I'll take direct questions instead.

Hot Topics

Mastin=scum?

Maybe, maybe not. He gets much easier to read as the game progresses, not a good day1 lynch.

DrippingSweatball

A hydra of two prolific posting players with posts equal to the mod's in number, but with less information. Normally against a day1 lynch of it, but willing to entertain an exception at this point.

[PeregrineV]

god damn it

UNVOTE: mastin
VOTE: Alpacazard

expand on red please

It was direct response to 775, a few posts up.

Why do

YOU

think he said "god damn it"?

[Svenskt Stål]

i know what it was reffering to

and i dont read all that shitposting mastin does

i want to know what ap found so good about it that he unvoted mastin

[Svenskt Stål]

Caught up from page 20whatever.

Could comment on comments to my comments, but I'm good. I'll take direct questions instead.

Hot Topics

Mastin=scum?

Maybe, maybe not. He gets much easier to read as the game progresses,

not a good day1 lynch.

DrippingSweatball

A hydra of two prolific posting players with posts equal to the mod's in number, but with less information. Normally against a day1 lynch of it, but willing to entertain an exception at this point.

red is true, but not because he gets easier to read but because he is a competent player that is active, so the downside of lyching him is big, the little i have read of him today though suggests that he is in full troll mode

[PeregrineV]

i know what it was reffering to

and i dont read all that shitposting mastin does

i want to know what ap found so good about it that he unvoted mastin

But then he could make shit up and you wouldn't know the difference, because you won't read the post he is talking about or explaining.

Given that, what is the point of asking him to expand on it?

[AngryPidgeon]

Doesn't read mastin posts.
Wants to know what I liked about it.

Thor.jpg

I think she probably actually is town? For no good reason at all. Mostly the last sentence.

[Svenskt Stål]

what the fuck do you think?

its not like its impossible for him to say that "the x part of the shitpost was goooood", from this point i can go up and read the x part, saving myself from as many shitstains as possible

i also find it all in all odd to vote someone, then after that someone makes one post you switch the vote without reasoning, add in to that there is a built up wagon on mastin, so if ap feels like there is something towny then there is town motivation to share it, this sort of nonsensical progressions have been a ap trademark this game though

[PeregrineV]

what the fuck do you think?

its not like its impossible for him to say that "the x part of the shitpost was goooood", from this point i can go up and read the x part, saving myself from as many shitstains as possible

i also find it all in all odd to vote someone, then after that someone makes one post you switch the vote without reasoning, add in to that there is a built up wagon on mastin, so if ap feels like there is something towny then there is town motivation to share it, this sort of nonsensical progressions have been a ap trademark this game though

So, logically,
you see a wall
skip reading the wall
see a reaction that puzzles you about the wall
skip reading the wall
ask the person who reacted to expand on their reaction regarding the wall, where if they give specifics, (8th paragraph, 6th sentence) you will then proceed to the wall, count 8 paragraphs without reading them, then count 6 sentences without reading them, to see if the reaction is relevant to the sentence referenced?



Wow.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Sven

[Svenskt Stål]

realize that ap voted mastin on the previous page, and that this is mastins only post that could have changed his mind

[AngryPidgeon]

I never said my read on the post was good. Hence why I didn't really care to share.

Mastin is gut zone. And frustrating me this game.

[Nero Cain]

I also need to extend my V/LA to next week. I'm moving but AT&T can't come till Friday! If that's to long you can replace me

[PeregrineV]

realize that ap voted mastin on the previous page, and that this is mastins only post that could have changed his mind

Why

did

AP vote Mastin on the previous page?

[Svenskt Stål]

realize that ap voted mastin on the previous page, and that this is mastins only post that could have changed his mind

Why

did

AP vote Mastin on the previous page?

i´ll be ignoring you for the rest of the game

[Svenskt Stål]

I never said my read on the post was good. Hence why I didn't really care to share.

Mastin is gut zone. And frustrating me this game.

its almost as if the vote wasnt needed at all

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok? Tell me what to do then Sven. There is no way people I want to see lynched are getting lynched right now.

My options are basically you, Alpacazard, mastin, majiffy, Vezok.

I don't really know where to begin sorting this blob of lurkaderp. I'm waffling on mastin, current read of town. You at least seem to be trying to figure things out this game I think, maybe.

[Bulbazak]

i also find it all in all odd to vote someone, then after that someone makes one post you switch the vote without reasoning

I see this a lot, actually. In fact, I sometimes do this myself.

realize that ap voted mastin on the previous page, and that this is mastins only post that could have changed his mind

Why

did

AP vote Mastin on the previous page?

i´ll be ignoring you for the rest of the game

Answer the question.

[AngryPidgeon]

god your progressions. now you dont want to lynch me? what has changed? i think this is a play style difference but it really boggles my mind

Question: How does this compare to my play in Anything Goes. Hint: I got criticized for exactly this.

I was scanning your ISO to see what you thought about Majiffy. So, what DO you think about Majiffy?

[Svenskt Stål]

Ok? Tell me what to do then Sven. There is no way people I want to see lynched are getting lynched right now.

My options are basically you, Alpacazard, mastin, majiffy, Vezok.

I don't really know where to begin sorting this blob of lurkaderp. I'm waffling on mastin, current read of town. You at least seem to be trying to figure things out this game I think, maybe.

help me understand your actions, thats all, your activity and some of your posts i really like, but then you make leaps i dont uderstand that has me hesitant,

i just want to understand

[sekai no ki]

Why is he a cautious town read?

I used to be pretty good at reading him, but we haven't played any games in a long while except for a bastard large theme game Majiffy ran that didn't have a town - just a bunch of factions with a combo of conflicting and non-conflicting wincons. I think I'm seeing town-svenskt here, but it's been a long time since I've played with town-svenskt and his game has probably changed in that time.

[AngryPidgeon]

I really don't have any amazing scumreads yet. I have a spatter of good townreads and I noticed that all the popular wagons right now are sort of Meh-null-hmm to me right now.
That is a super generic request ^. I thought your case on Vezok was bad. I thought your reactions

I'm waffling on Vezok. I won't let mastin persuade me just yet.

sven could be bussing that.

I AM NOT FUCKING SCUM

here and in 501 looked townish. Loose townread.