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[Bulbazak]

you are asking because you want to bug me, or to do to me as you feel that i do to others, you have no genuine interest in the subject

"what am i liking in his latest posts more?"

gtfo

How do you know I have no interest in the subject? Why won't you answer the question?

[Svenskt Stål]

you are asking because you want to bug me, or to do to me as you feel that i do to others, you have no genuine interest in the subject

"what am i liking in his latest posts more?"

gtfo

How do you know I have no interest in the subject? Why won't you answer the question?

ignored because, #lolbulba

[sekai no ki]

Lest we forget. (scum meta for Sven)

Are you seeing similarities in his play between this game and that one?

That was a long time ago, so I remember the game, but not the details. I do remember that before getting into it with vengeful townie, that I started with a Sven scumread but ended up dropping it by the time I caught up. The link is for meta-checkers to check and give objective opinion on.

My vote is on Sven for fake scumhunting (illogic train in 786).

I wind up re-skimming that game and the borkgame micro every time svenskt and I play together, which is maybe why it's a good thing we don't play together that often. With the exception of Nacho, all of the scumteam was in my scumpile on night 1. And Cephrir, who was inexplicably town.

I'm not seeing amnesiac-svenskt so far.

I skimmed over part of it also. While I'm also not seeing Amnesiac-Sven directly, I'm assuming a year has improved his English and his ability to play scum. We'll see.

file it under peregrinedv logic

he wants me to be scum

Logic or not, he was in my scumpile until the last page or so. :/

[Bulbazak]

you are asking because you want to bug me, or to do to me as you feel that i do to others, you have no genuine interest in the subject

"what am i liking in his latest posts more?"

gtfo

How do you know I have no interest in the subject? Why won't you answer the question?

ignored because, #lolbulba

Unvote

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[sekai no ki]

Do you really believe a scum player would shut you down that way, when a modicum of cooperation would probably deflect you?

[AngryPidgeon]

Bulbazak realizes that but doesn't care. Which you'd realize if you were town.

[sekai no ki]

You missed something about my post.

Bulba might see it. I realized while typing it that he and I didn't hydra in such a great game for seeing the seamed side of my townhunting approach.

[AngryPidgeon]

?
I think its pretty obvious that Bulbazak is voting Sven out of policy. I dont see what I missed.

[Aegor]

I like Sven's posts more than mastin's, for the record.

Conveniently enough, being bored is one of the motivating factors of me progressively reverting back into my normal self. The post where I explained it fully is currently lost, but basically: while I'm enjoying a LOT of the new stuff, and like the feeling it's given (people are actually treating me like a normal player, rather than some higher-tier master), it's becoming a bit boring to do, and I'm considering adding life to my game.

In particular, there's one thing I could do to instantly become obvtown, and I've been holding back from having done so.

I

really

want you to die.


VOTE: Majiffy

This 30-page meta discussion is both incredibly boring and totally opaque to me, so I probably will never re-read it.

[Svenskt Stål]

Bulbazak realizes that but doesn't care. Which you'd realize if you were town.

why do you think sekai is scum? i am not trying to be annoying

like, what i get from sekai is a hesitance that i think is a good town tell for her, i have only been up against evil ffer once and if i had to use a word to sum it up it would be slightly awkward

i am seeing town sekai here, and i think i´d seldom advocate her lynch day 1

[AngryPidgeon]

why do you think sekai is scum?

Gut? Her interactions with me don't sit well, particularly the "I don't know how to read you unless you obvtown" which felt like fake paranoia and a copout rolled into one.

Her stance on your wagon was a bunch of smoke and she has been QQing about how I've been treating her instead of stepping up to bad against mean old pidgeon.

[AngryPidgeon]

bat*

[Svenskt Stål]

why do you think sekai is scum?

Gut? Her interactions with me don't sit well, particularly the

"I don't know how to read you unless you obvtown"

which felt like fake paranoia and a copout rolled into one.

Her stance on your wagon was a bunch of smoke and she has been QQing about how I've been treating her instead of stepping up to bad against mean old pidgeon.

thanks for explaining

[Svenskt Stål]

oh yeah, and red seems like a compliment, not paranoia

[sekai no ki]

You already know this isn't a tell from me. Additionally, I already explained my feelings on the matter, in that RC hit some very sensitive notes that I was ticked off about. I also was legitimately ticked off at him--because he's a player I know and respect. Because I've been playing with RC since before he joined MS.net. (He was among the top EM players in our day. I was also fairly good.) Because he's someone I expected to be better, and then he presented those absolutely-crappy reasonings and scumreads.

so your read on him was entirely BOP?

also why would you ever say the first sentence? this was part of my read on you in AOT and you know it. you started berating Tammy for "not knowing who's scum when you flip town" instead of actually trying to work it out. this feels like the same thing. mb "forceful" is a better word than "abrasive"

also this:

And if you think that being semi-serious in the RVS is a scumtell for me or for anyone, you can go straight to hell because that's a fundamental scumhunting technique that I've used even when I was a VI in 2009.

is not you telling him to step it the fuck up or trying to work out his read on you, it's you berating him for scumreading you. how in any way was this post intended to tell him to step it up, or reaching out to him to fix said read? this is literally the exact same thing as what you did in AOT

wat.
Seriously, this makes no sense.

nope, it makes perfect sense. you're discrediting him by downplaying his skill level. remember what BRO did where all his scumreads were cases of "either really bad or scum"? this also makes it so you don't actually have to respond to anything he's saying which allows you to just sit there and avoid having to take heat for doing anything

I've seen Mastin be abrasive as town as well. Besides, I wouldn't call what he said here to be super abrasive. It's actually something I'd expect more from a town player, and Mastin's later post saying that there was no better way to say that, and that as scum he could have left it unsaid further proves that. I also don't think he's implying anything about RC that you do. He's just saying that he completely disagrees with RC's reads. And if you really want to prove that town Mastin wouldn't do this, you need to post evidence from his town games, not his scum games, which again, are not similar to this post at all.

except this means fuck all bc he came up with this AFTER he found out I didn't like it. it seems like an excuse he just made up so he could justify it to me later

your point about needing to post evidence from his town games as opposed to his scumgames sucks and feels like scum WK'ing. quit trying to write off my suspicion bc I'm not proving it by your paramaters

The same can be said about Mastin and I. Are we scumbuddies together?

nope, just an observation about smth interesting I noticed going on between two of my scumreads that matches how mastin has interacted with scumbuddies before

Aegor seems to be like Rainbowdash in terms of getting rid of the chaff early on. I don't like how you're going after him here for it, though.

why not? and do you disagree that scum are slipping through the cracks this game?

also you make this sound like I should know how Aegor plays. why would you assume this?

I wouldn't call this confrontational. Why would you? I can't decide whether you're scum trying to get rid of a strong player with decent suspicion, or if you're town stuck too far in conf. bias to be of any use.

So vig me. I'm a slacker. Doesn't change my alignment.

also, right back at you. how can I be sure this isn't you trying to get rid of ffery who's a p strong player? some people even say I'm a strong player so this counts as double \o/ your collective stance on our slot is also fencesitting at its finest ("ffery might be town but at the same time pie is kind of making me doubt it") and makes sense in the context of avoiding confrontation with ffery while also trying to keep suspicion on our slot

WHY WOULD YOU EVER DEFEND SOMEONE FROM SOMEONE WHO'S JUST STARTING TO HEAT HER UP? this reminds me of IN when I was pushing Varsoon and zmuffin-scum swooped in to save him. none of your points are actually any good and there's definitely nothing good enough in there to warrant you jumping into my line of questioning like this. nice try. fail. die :>

[sekai no ki]

@AP:

why'd you go from vezok scum to vezok town? also did you change your mind on mastin? if so, why?

[AngryPidgeon]

@AP: why'd you go from vezok scum to vezok town? also did you change your mind on mastin? if so, why?

Im gonna decline to answer these mostly because I feel like I just recently addressed both. Vezok isnt a townread.

[sekai no ki]

all I could find about mastin was that you're gut-zoning her. is there anything specific to it?

[Venmar]

Votecount 1.7

[3]

Majiffy:

Vezokpiraka, Rubicon, Aegor

[1]

Toogeloo:

BBMolla

[0] Sekai No Ki:

[0] SweatingChessBall3:

[1]

PeregrineV:

dopog

[0] RedCoyote:

[2]

Mastin2:

Nero Cain, RedCoyote

[5]

Alpazard:

GuyInFreezer, Thor665, sekai no ki, Toogeloo, AngryPidgeon

[0] Aegor:

[0] GuyInFreezer:

[1]

Bulbazak:

Zdenek

[0] Thor665:

[5]

Svenskt Stål:

ActionDan, Alpazard, Mastin2, PeregrineV, Bulbazak

[0] Rubicon:

[0] ActionDan:

[2]

Vezokpiraka:

Svenskt Stal, pidgey

[0] BBMolla:

[0] Pidgey:

[1]

AngryPidgeon:

SweatingChessball3

[0] Dopog:

[0] Nero Cain:

[0] Zdenek:

Not Voting (1):

• Majiffy

Deadline:

• Monday, March 10th, 2014

Mod Notes:

• With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.
  
• Nero Cain is
  V/LA
  until Next Week.

[Bulbazak]

Do you really believe a scum player would shut you down that way, when a modicum of cooperation would probably deflect you?

I'm not sure a town player would do so. Regardless, I don't want Svent in this game anymore. If you want to change my mind, get a good Majiffy wagon going, and I might join.

I've seen Mastin be abrasive as town as well. Besides, I wouldn't call what he said here to be super abrasive. It's actually something I'd expect more from a town player, and Mastin's later post saying that there was no better way to say that, and that as scum he could have left it unsaid further proves that. I also don't think he's implying anything about RC that you do. He's just saying that he completely disagrees with RC's reads. And if you really want to prove that town Mastin wouldn't do this, you need to post evidence from his town games, not his scum games, which again, are not similar to this post at all.

except this means fuck all bc he came up with this AFTER he found out I didn't like it. it seems like an excuse he just made up so he could justify it to me later

Except you never went into depth about what you didn't like. Mastin figured it out herself and explained it, and even then, you go full tilt at attacking her for something that is actually a null reason.

your point about needing to post evidence from his town games as opposed to his scumgames sucks and feels like scum WK'ing. quit trying to write off my suspicion bc I'm not proving it by your paramaters

Your reasoning is bad. I'm showing why it's bad, and I'm saying if you want to prove that town Mastin doesn't do this, then you better provide examples from some town games.

And can you please be consistent regarding your scum reads? Is Mastin scum, or am I scum WKing Mastin? You can't have it both ways.

Aegor seems to be like Rainbowdash in terms of getting rid of the chaff early on. I don't like how you're going after him here for it, though.

why not?

Saying someone is scum because they want to policy lynch is a cheap attack, especially for someone who is supposedly as experienced at the game like you're professing.

and do you disagree that scum are slipping through the cracks this game?

I don't think that's the case at all. I think town's doing a very good job this game of coming together, and if that's the case, being lurking scum in a game with a unified town is very dangerous. I expect we'll have a very good town block by the end of the day, which means that it'll be very easy to find and lynch scum.

also you make this sound like I should know how Aegor plays. why would you assume this?

How he plays should be obvious enough. He's playing very similar to Rainbowdash (Hence why I gave the example.), in that he is scumhunting, but is also interested in making sure town doesn't have to deal with players that could drag it down. Even if you didn't know that, you should know enough not to attack for those reasons.

how can I be sure this isn't you trying to get rid of ffery who's a p strong player?

Because I wouldn't do it in this manner. Also, I've fooled Ffery before as scum, so I wouldn't be that afraid of you.

some people even say I'm a strong player so this counts as double \o/ your collective stance on our slot is also fencesitting at its finest ("ffery might be town but at the same time pie is kind of making me doubt it") and makes sense in the context of avoiding confrontation with ffery while also trying to keep suspicion on our slot

First, I wouldn't be avoiding Ffery, I'd probably be trying to interact with her. Second, if I've been fencesitting on your slot, it's because I don't know how to read you, not because I'm afraid of you. I figured that I would be able to read your slot given enough time. Finally, you are suggesting that I'm going out of my way to paint you as scum. I'm not. I'm still not sure what to do with you. Heck, the Ffery head is at least trying to reach out and is the only thing that is making me think you might be town, but after all that, I'm still not sure because I'm having a hard time making sense of you. But you know what, I'm not even in that big of a hurry to figure you out, because I have enough strong townreads that if you're actually scum, I'll figure it out by PoE alone.

WHY WOULD YOU EVER DEFEND SOMEONE FROM SOMEONE WHO'S JUST STARTING TO HEAT HER UP? this reminds me of IN when I was pushing Varsoon and zmuffin-scum swooped in to save him. none of your points are actually any good and there's definitely nothing good enough in there to warrant you jumping into my line of questioning like this. nice try. fail. die :>

Because your points are bad! If you are town you should feel bad for the bad reasoning you're using. Aggression is not a scumtell! Frustration is not a scumtell! Policy lynching is not a freaking scum tell! And there was no you turning up the heat. Mastin has been suspected all game, so you being nitpicky about something so stupid was not going to do a darn thing. And furthermore, she had already answered you, BEFORE you even posted that paragraph of crap! It was a non-issue, it was crap reasoning, and it was doing absolutely nothing!

[GuyInFreezer]

/daily post quota

[SweatingChessball3]

realize that ap voted mastin on the previous page, and that this is mastins only post that could have changed his mind

Why

did

AP vote Mastin on the previous page?

Probably because AP is scum.

[SweatingChessball3]

Sven is town.

[SweatingChessball3]

Just iso'd Majiffy, definitely could be scum. Would entertain a wagon.

[Aegor]

Then why did you not join his wagon earlier and why are you not joining it now?