In post 857, sekai no ki wrote: In post 844, Bulbazak wrote:Except you never went into depth about what you didn't like. Mastin figured it out herself and explained it, and even then, you go full tilt at attacking her for something that is actually a null reason.
this is blatantly false. ffery told everyone what I didn't like before mastin said anything about it. and even then she didn't explain shit and just said "herp derp that was the scummiest part of the reply. oh well"
In post 661, sekai no ki wrote:
How do you feel about this part of Mastin's reply?
In post 537, mastin2 wrote:And if you think that being semi-serious in the RVS is a scumtell for me or for anyone, you can go straight to hell because that's a fundamental scumhunting technique that I've used even when I was a VI in 2009. It's carried over throughout my games over the years, and likely influenced other players to act similarly. (For instance, AP's posting in Anything Goes started out semi-seriously. He was not entirely serious...yet he was not entirely joking, either. It was a mid-way between the two, scumhunting in his own unique way.)
It raised a flag in pieguy's mind. I'm wondering if you see a similar issue.
In post 667, mastin2 wrote:
In post 661, sekai no ki wrote:How do you feel about this part of Mastin's reply?
In post 537, mastin2 wrote:And if you think that being semi-serious in the RVS is a scumtell for me or for anyone, you can go straight to hell because that's a fundamental scumhunting technique that I've used even when I was a VI in 2009. It's carried over throughout my games over the years, and likely influenced other players to act similarly. (For instance, AP's posting in Anything Goes started out semi-seriously. He was not entirely serious...yet he was not entirely joking, either. It was a mid-way between the two, scumhunting in his own unique way.)
It raised a flag in pieguy's mind. I'm wondering if you see a similar issue.
It was the scummiest part of the reply. It was badly worded. I knew it was badly worded. I knew it was something people would scumread me for. But rather than being a case of "screw that, I'm posting it anyway", in this case it was just that I couldn't think of a non-scummy way to say it, but I needed to say it anyway. (...Okay. I guess that is sorta 'screw that, post regardless' anyway.) It hit a very sensitive note. I couldn't let it go unsaid, even though it would have been easier to have left it gone unsaid.
Doesn't look blatantly false to me.
In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:
what she said was in no way a response to any concern I had. like really? is it a coincidence that the part I dislike so happens to be the scummiest part of the post?
So her talking about the section you didn't like was "in no way a response to any concern you had"? I also like how you repeated her and then tried to make it look like you thought of that turn of phrase yourself. "Scummiest part of the post." Heh.
In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:
the thing with this is I pegged the fuck out of mastin for this same thing (abrasiveness/forcefulness) before. mastin KNOWS this and so if she's scum she knows I'd peg her for the same thing here. so the fact that she "explained" it means fuck all considering if she's scum she already knew what I was going to do
And yet you ignored her talking about it, didn't even try to engage her on it, and launched into this tired, false tirade anyway.
In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:
again, right back at you. you were saying scum-mastin's tone is way different than it is here but you didn't link any scumgames and instead said this was more in line with his towngames. you're drawing parallels to his towngame, I'm drawing parallels to his scumgame. this is the problem. you're asking me to prove shit without actually doing anything about it yourself and it feels like scum busywork to shut down my mastin push
I would show you an example from a town game, but I need to wait for it to end first. Besides, the burden of proof falls on you. If you say that Mastin doesn't do X as town, then you need to give examples from town games to back up that statement.
In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:
also I'm not trying to figure out the whole damn puzzle at once. whenever I try that it doesn't work. you're scummy, so I'm pushing you. in this case, idgaf about mastin's actions in relation to yours, although your actions make sense from a scum POV regardless of mastin's alignment (either you're WK'ing him or defending him as a scum partner)
Yeah, I point out the flaws in your argument, and all of a sudden I'm scum. Big surprise.
In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:
this angle about "consistency" is the easiest angle for scum to push to try to discredit suspicion and I'm inclined to think you're scum for it. why don't you try directly addressing my points instead of attempting to use "you're inconsistent" as a defense?
I have addressed your points. I've said that they're bad, because they are attacking essentially null actions. I've further said that if you want to prove your point, you have to show that Mastin doesn't do X as town. If you can't do that, you don't have a case.
In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:
In post 844, Bulbazak wrote:Saying someone is scum because they want to policy lynch is a cheap attack, especially for someone who is supposedly as experienced at the game like you're professing.
another misrep. I never said that, I said Aegor might be scum bc I got the feeling he was trying to slip through the cracks. I'm looking at the people who are just coasting by bc I have townreads on just about all the active players besides mastin. wanting a PL has literally NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
You linked to a post where Aegor was talking about policy lynching. You then called Aegor scum. Ergo, you are calling Aegor scum for wanting to policy lynch, even if tangentially. If you would have just said "I think Aegor might be trying to slip through the cracks." without anything linked to it, the most I would have said would be "How so?".
In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:
and why are you putting words in my mouth? I said other people seem to think I'm a good player for some reason (even though I'm really not), not that I actually am. you're twisting my words around to suit your arguments
You said it yourself and tried to use it as an argument against me:
In post 839, sekai no ki wrote:
also, right back at you. how can I be sure this isn't you trying to get rid of ffery who's a p strong player?
some people even say I'm a strong player so this counts as double \o/
Personally, I don't know how good you are, because I don't think I've ever played with you before, and if I did, it wasn't that memorable.
In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:
and why do you assume I know how Rainbowdash plays? I've only had one game with him, I was in a hydra and everyone was inactive as fuck (and we got replaced after D2). even if you've meta'd me, you should know this
I didn't know you had no experience with Rainbowdash. I was simply using him as an example, since I have plenty of experience with him, and he immediately springs to mind. I was using it to illustrate my point. As for you, I'm not really the meta type. I only use experiential meta.
In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:
you literally had no reason to make that assumption. you're trying to just write off my points against you by making shit up and twisting my words around without trying to understand any of them
I understand your points. They're bad, and I've repeatedly explained why they're bad.
In post 857, sekai no ki wrote:
In post 844, Bulbazak wrote:Because your points are bad! If you are town you should feel bad for the bad reasoning you're using. Aggression is not a scumtell! Frustration is not a scumtell! Policy lynching is not a freaking scum tell! And there was no you turning up the heat. Mastin has been suspected all game, so you being nitpicky about something so stupid was not going to do a darn thing. And furthermore, she had already answered you, BEFORE you even posted that paragraph of crap! It was a non-issue, it was crap reasoning, and it was doing absolutely nothing!
nice misrep. where have I ever said any of those are scumtells?
You just got done saying that Mastin is scum for
aggression
! You are also calling Mastin scum for something that she admits is born of
frustration
. And let's not forget that you linked to a quote about
policy lynching
when you called Aegor scum. Your very arguments point to you trying to use those as scum tells.
In post 861, Svenskt Stål wrote:
could be, but i think both of the latest votes on me ( peregrinev and LOLbulba) are voting me personal reasons mixed in
You could always answer our questions.
I clicked on them all and read the attached posts.
In post 752, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 569, mastin2 wrote:your reads are overall highly convenient to what is best for them to be for you, rather than what you want them to be.
This is probably the best explanation of Majiffy-scum. He's going after targets that would be easy and convenient for him to push, and his pushes are mainly based on non-alignment indicative things that he can make look bad. Check out his current scum cases: Lurking, gut reads, and RVS BS.
I also had a lot more in the lost posts, but this summarizes things rather nicely.
