The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[pirate mollie]

Oh mollie mollie. I came across this post earlier and thought you might be town:

if I can find 1 town I will be happy. just 1

is that too much to ask

JUST 1 FUCKING TOWN READ THAT I CAN STICK WITH AND BELIEVE IN

FUCKING A IT WAS 73 DEGREES YESTERDAY AND NOW IT IS SNOWING

I mean you can say this as scum, and I suppose if you're trying to burn your town meta it's something you would say, but it felt somewhat townish. Mina and I talked about it to and she saw the possibility except she's having a bigger problem than I am coming to terms with your posting and reads so far this game. Her big problem is that to her you've seemed somewhat more collected than you do here because the reasoning for your scum read on us makes no literal sense whatsoever and doesn't actually look like you're trying to read either of our heads. Mina's questions weren't pointless; you might not have understood where she was coming from but that doesn't make them pointless. If you can't see the burgeoning paranoia in her question to faraday then I don't know what to tell you, but considering that you tend towards paranoia that lends itself to moon logic at times, I'm surprised you didn't sense what was there.

This makes me more concerned about you because it feels like you decided that you were going to push us as scum and have warped your entire narrative around that goal even though it doesn't make a lick of sense. You're not recognizing the things that should make you doubt that sure fire scum read you have on both of our heads and you don't feel like you're actually reading the game and trying to parse alignments. The things you missed is similar to you missing things in the Mario bros game where you were out of step there too because you didn't pick up on town tells in the game because you didn't have a town role pm so you missed the narrative.

And I mean, did you actually use as a scum reasoning for me that I used a phrase you don't think is in my toolbox? That has got to be the most convoluted crap I've heard. I probably don't mean the same thing you do when you say it, but I'm pretty sure I remember in Skype one day you saying you thought we scumhunted in a similar way or had a similar playstyle or something so idont get this how dare you use a phrase I've never heard you say because only nacho and I use it. And if something has creeped into my toolbox that nacho uses, perhaps it's because we hydra together and have talked quite a bit. I'm pretty sure there are things I've drawn from everyone I've hydrad with. (See faraday don't you want to hydra with me now even if I don't sing for you? You can impact my scumhunting.

are you still reading my wall?

)

I'm not really going to respond to anything else from that wall because I found so much of it contrived and this wall is already big enough and if you can't realize I'm town by the time you finish reading this post, then you never will and me pointing out why none of that made sense will help in that regard.

But I do want to know why you sidestepped this question:

Also, I'd love for you to provide the context for the trolling means I'm being bussed accusation.

Who is bussing us in this game? The overlords are the only ones voting us, and you've declared them town. (We agree they look very town.) When have I been bussed and just decided to troll a game?

You keep talking as if you have authority for my scum game, but you throw out nuggets like this as if this is something that has happened and is happening in this game, and I can't for the life of me figure out where you're getting this Tammy scum meta. I mean sure your other part is right, I have, in fact, manipulated people as scum. Who hasn't? I'm not manipulating anyone in this game and my posts haven't even slightly been manipulative.

I think I would just feel so much better about you in all of this if I saw a hint of paranoia because I'd be able to recognize that as town with a bad read, but when I read you, your stuff just feels contrived.

Also, while looking for you pirate case to show Mina that sometimes you do go a bit irrational as town, I came across this:

Re: Tammy. I'm not good at reading her. But, she seems pretty emotional this game, moreso than in the one I was in with her as scum. But, like she said, her posting tone correlates with her mood sometimes, so it's probably not necessarily alignment indicative.

Something about this post below bothers me for some reason though, but I can't figure out why:

Spoiler:

omg mollie's Post 358 is something I can empathize with so much but in inverse, if that makes sense. I'm no good at day one; I find day one's a lot of noise and more games than not I feel like shit about my reads because I feel like I put the puzzle together better when there are pieces flipped. This means that some games I take a back seat role and look at how the arguments play out to see what makes sense, but in some games I feel like it makes sense right away. And my game is really largely dependent on my mood first.

I was telling empire not too long ago that I wanted to change my meta because I felt like what people expected from me was actually causing a distraction in games because people aren't actually reading me based on what I say in games but in really superficial things that are partially alignment aligned but are also mood aligned. So for instance, no I don't always joke around and be exciting at the start of the game. If I do, I'm almost definitely town, but if I don't, I might just not be in the mood. I'm getting a bit tired of people pushing me for reactions instead of looking at what I'm saying, which I think is way more relevant than anything ever. I mean I get that it might be amusing for people to just try to make me mad, but I don't think that makes an enjoyable or productive game, so I've pledged to do my best to not react to unwarranted suspicion until people start reading what I'm actually saying, especially when they aren't people who have bothered to understand me enough to see where I'm coming from.

I realize this might get me a few mislynches in the near future, but I'm considering it an experiment and hope it will help.

/complete weird tangent

That's you not only saying you don't know how to read me, but is also showing you actually trying. I'd like to know how you go from not knowing how to read me to being so super sure your right on your read here? We have no completed games since that game that would make you have a revelation, and the game we played on Skype a few days ago had you quick voting me in lylo when I was town. I'd like to know why you're not actually trying to read me here.

And what makes you so confident, you feel certain enough to reply to this the way you did:

I cant actually ever remember you having a read and being that convicted about it but I'm going to trust Faraday's read for now

mine is better

What makes you think you're better at reading us than faraday? Also unless I'm misreading, he called our slot obnoxiously town. You know how nacho is pretty damn good at reading me? Yeah, faradays better. (Look faraday I'm buddying you!)

Anyway, this wall has been bigger than I meant it to be and I lost a good chunk of what I wrote trying to submit it when the thread was locked and now I can't remember what I said but I'm sure it was better than this! Basically this boils down to me thinking I see glimmers of you as town but I also have issues with seeing you as town because it doesn't feel like you're actually trying to read people, but I also am having trouble seeing scum you so doggedly asking people to vote for us especially when you know how unlikely it is to go through, but I have had scum attacking me for weird things lately and you have ny backup in that regard because it feels like that to me. I know I might not be the most objective about this but it doesn't feel like a town attack, so if you are town can you make it obvious, please?

I did indeed read this. (finally)

you totally misrepped what penny said and it was a vague attempt to emulate what I said? it was a misrep on an epic scale cos what you are quoting was not being said by whom you are assigning them to. and penny was scum in that game and so were you.

I guess you are the bigger bitch cos I don't follow the road that you are on.

/gg I guess

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Don't talk to me for the rest of the game thanks.

[pirate mollie]

taking a step back

[Nuwen]

That was a hella boring shot with a beloved princess claim in the game. It's not like we were going to waste a D1 lynch on a miller, right. >_>

[A Simple Math Problem]

VC

[A Simple Math Problem]

I guess you are the bigger bitch

Alright, Im going to call this a universal warning for everyone. No personal attacks. I will force replace.

[InflatablePie]

vote cdb

- I can sheep this since he didn't answer me.

@mollie - we could have a pow-wow if that doesn't involve the Waffles thingy because that's too much reading for me and all of that thing seems dumb

I forgot Ythan was in this game, also when the fuck did Poro almost get the cops called on him? what?

not reading page 13.

I feel like there was something else I was going to comment on but I forgot (didn't want to rush a phonepost at work again) so if anyone addressed anything to me pls restate

also I'm going to be pretty much semi-V/LA on Wed+Thurs due to pre-birfday and birfday celebrations, if anyone cares.

[InflatablePie]

oh right

nuwen could you be more... what's the word

useful

[Iecerint]

Unvote; Vote: ActionDan

[Porochaz]

DeathNote has been killed.

He was Porochaz almost having the cops called on him

and was a

Town Miller

The vote count has been reset. I'll format this and more in a bit..

Sad that the (2nd) beer pong team has split...

[Porochaz]

also when the fuck did Poro almost get the cops called on him? what?

Early on, went for a walk, woman thought I was in her garden staring into her window. Wasn't. Used mafiascum skillz to convince her cop guilty was wrong.

Also,

vote Axxle

[ChannelDelibird]

Ah, sorry for missing that, Pie. The UT-over-Waffles thing was driven more by my townread on Waffles.

VOTE: ActionDan

[pirate mollie]

I guess you are the bigger bitch

Alright, Im going to call this a universal warning for everyone. No personal attacks. I will force replace.

am I allowed to call myself a bitch

[A Simple Math Problem]

I'm going to try and make a prettier looking votecount! I hope it works out!

Vote Count 1.06?

Your New Gay Overlords

(0)

Eleven

(0)

Iecerint

(0)

Cheery Dog

(1) Axxle

Untrod Tripod

(0)

Gammagooey

(0)

InflatablePie

(0)

Nuwen

(0)

Ythan

(0)

Axxle

(1) Porochaz

ActionDan

(2)

Iecerint, ChannelDelibird

Sir Waffles Wafflington

(0)

eaglekit

(0)

pirate mollie

(2)

eaglekit, Cheery Dog

Porochaz

(0)

ChannelDelibird

(2)

Ythan, InflatablePie

Triforce

(0)

Fate

(0)

Not Voting

(10) Your New Gay Overlords, Eleven, Untrod Tripod, Gammagooey, Nuwen, ActionDan, Sir Waffles Wafflington, pirate mollie, Triforce, Fate

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline: March 22nd @ 3PM Commune Time

[ActionDan]

Ah, sorry for missing that, Pie. The UT-over-Waffles thing was driven more by my townread on Waffles.

VOTE: ActionDan

Voting me even though you implied you had scumread(s) earlier that weren't me.

Vote this to death people.

Also what a crapshot. You should have just shot cdb if you were planning on joining the wagon anyway

[ChannelDelibird]

Voting me even though you implied you had scumread(s) earlier that weren't me.

Vote this to death people.

Er, WTF? Show your working. And bear in mind this, this and this.

[Triforce]

Ah, sorry for missing that, Pie. The UT-over-Waffles thing was driven more by my townread on Waffles.

VOTE: ActionDan

Voting me even though you implied you had scumread(s) earlier that weren't me.

Vote this to death people.

Also what a crapshot. You should have just shot cdb if you were planning on joining the wagon anyway

Why shoot him first then join the wagon? If he was going to use his shot (provided it's limited or D1 or whatever), there were a couple of obvious options...and he shot one of them.

Nuwen, this statement is directed at you, too. You could always vote the beloved princess if you feel so strongly that this would've been a better option?

[Gammagooey]

yeah so im just gonna keep jumping around voting people that i don't recall having done townish things yet until something actually catches my attention since i don't feel like voting cdb again yet

Vote:Iecerint

[Triforce]

Actually, Nuwen's been a pile of useless and we would be fine with her dead.

[Untrod Tripod]

vote CDB

[Eleven]

Vote: ActionDan

=) 339 is fake as fuck, esp the "vote this to death", fake confidence junk.

[ActionDan]

It seems to me that you're using that post as a catalyst to vote me after the semi committal "actiondan's posts are trash".

Your post calling mine fake without further analysis is fake.

[ActionDan]

Voting me even though you implied you had scumread(s) earlier that weren't me.

Vote this to death people.

Er, WTF? Show your working. And bear in mind this, this and this.

1st and 3rd links bear no relevance and the 2nd is the post I'm working off of. You have townreads and 4 listed no reads. Unless all you have is townreads which you don't you must have scumreads. Mollie was a former. You now vote a no read and not someone that you have a read on that isn't one of your town reads

[ChannelDelibird]

1st and 3rd links bear no relevance and the 2nd is the post I'm working off of. You have townreads and 4 listed no reads. Unless all you have is townreads which you don't you must have scumreads. Mollie was a former. You now vote a no read and not someone that you have a read on that isn't one of your town reads

First link shows that voting you is not a new thing; it's been on my mind.

Second link shows the group of people from which I wanted to vote (note that mollie is excluded from that list because of how I was just right there explaining how I think I'll be able to read her better given some more time), of which you are one. I simply don't believe that you think it's inconceivable that I didn't have any glaring scumreads to flag up at the time; you've played with me enough both face-to-face and on the forum to know better.

Third link shows that there was already a vote on you (from one of my townreads), thereby pointing to another part of why I went for you over, say, Nuwen or UT. The final part is that I think I'm more likely to be able to use my vote to develop a read on you than I am on Cheery.

[Nuwen]

Nuwen, this statement is directed at you, too. You could always vote the beloved princess if you feel so strongly that this would've been a better option?

Yeah let me go ahead and start wagoning a beloved princess claim

oh

wait

That would be the worst idea ever. Especially when we can kill it with BULLETS instead of ROPE. Why are you encouraging me to do something so high risk, which potentially only nets easy-to-read Reckscum and is VERY bad if we're wrong?

Fate said we'd worry about Reck's claim tomorrow, which is fine.

The opportunity to browbeat Ythan is too good to pass up. I don't think it's very sensible to shoot a miller claim vs. a beloved princess claim at this point in the game. On the off chance that Ythan isn't town, I'm going to make it very clear that I see through the miasma and pointed out his sub-optimal-for-town shot nya nya nya boo boo.