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[Bulbazak]

Why does sven wagon still exists?

Because he's scum and needs to die. Please try to keep up.

[GuyInFreezer]

So what do you think they posted that they couldn't duplicate as scum?

pie's effort

I don't think that I've played with pieguy before, what games are you using for comparison?
Do you have a non-meta reason for town reading them?

Based on his towngame such as IN, and based on his scumgame that we hydra'd together and Touhou upick (I think except for the gundam game, I was scum with him in every scumgame he played lol).
He promises time to time that he will show off his best scumgame and needs to improve blah blah blah, but then, once he actually rolls scum, he just lurks
/runs

Anyway, currently pie has a motivation issue in mafia games in general, so him actually efforting this big is a huge plus towards town-pie.
If Sekai rolled scum, the hydra posts should've been dominated by fery's posts. But no, pie is efforting. That's enough for me to put them in strong townlist.

as for non-meta, why bother with one when I can already see the town sekai for behavioral reason?
I townread them and I am confident about it with the reasoning I already have. I don't see a need to go look for another one.

You can disagree with me if you disagree, but in the end, mafia is not all about the posts/logic but also about the behaviors.

[GuyInFreezer]

Why does sven wagon still exists?

Because he's scum and needs to die. Please try to keep up.

But I am keeping up.
Currently, Sven wagon consists of: Whoisthisguy, my_scum_read, my_town_but_having_an_off_game_read, mr.guy-who-voted-for-being-lazy, and mr.guy-whose-view-is-tainted-with-policy.
Am I missing something?

[AngryPidgeon]

So what do you think they posted that they couldn't duplicate as scum?

pie's effort

I hope for GIFs sake, that GIF is actually just scum this game. One sec Zd.

[GuyInFreezer]

It's not a mafia game without "omg this guy sucks so much I just hope he's scum but he's probably town" reads

[AngryPidgeon]

For scumminess it's hard to beat the fact that his scum listing from vez down doesn't track with his commentary. The fact that this can be explained by him trying to avoid the meta issue that AP pointed out is really icing on the cake.

I'm not seeing this?

He has Vezok as one of his lesser scumreads. He didn't say much about him but he did quote me making points against Vezok and said it made sense.

So I dunno. I definitely don't get why you think this Vezok thing is so BIG.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, whatever made your eyeball pop out I elaborated on it few posts after.

[Zdenek]

For scumminess it's hard to beat the fact that his scum listing from vez down doesn't track with his commentary. The fact that this can be explained by him trying to avoid the meta issue that AP pointed out is really icing on the cake.

I'm not seeing this?

He has Vezok as one of his lesser scumreads. He didn't say much about him but he did quote me making points against Vezok and said it made sense.

So I dunno. I definitely don't get why you think this Vezok thing is so BIG.

Now compare what he says/quotes about Sven, me and dopog with what he says/qutoes about Vezok and look at the ordering of his list.

What makes you think that he's been genuine?

[AngryPidgeon]

Anyway, whatever made your eyeball pop out I elaborated on it few posts after.

The fact that somebody has managed to combine a meta read and activity read into one. On a hydra player. Who could easily be getting help from their hydra buddy behind the scenes.

ITs just such a weak reason to townread someone. I'd be ok if it was a BASIS for the townread and there were other factors, but townreading someone flatout for posting a couple sketchy catchup walls is bad.

[GuyInFreezer]

You talk in general. I talk in player-specific.

[GuyInFreezer]

See the difference?
If we're talking about in general, you're right.
However, the situation changes when it gets to the player-specific issue.
How close is this player to the general stuff we all assume? Are the situation same? etc.

[AngryPidgeon]

Now compare what he says/quotes about Sven, me and dopog with what he says/qutoes about Vezok and look at the ordering of his list.

What makes you think that he's been genuine?

IDK, my overall feel from his wall is that he's intent on tunneling on mastin and his other scumreads are less interesting to him. He definitely prodded Sven a bit (even if he didn't outright call him scum). I don't really see where his read on you is coming from and iirc dopog was also not explained that well. But neither was the Vezok read?

I see why this looks scummy to you (and I -could- see this coming from scum), but I really don't think its as bad as you are saying?

I see someone tunneling on mastin and catching up on posts without really having an agenda in mind (other than the tunnel on mastin). Him being behind and just focusing mastin as an easy way to be involved could be a scum thing, but I could also see this being from town.

[PeregrineV]

I don't understand BBmolla's vote on PV, since Molla is scum reading Sven and it followed some posts by PV pushing on Sven.

PV seems really ungenuine,

I would say this genuinely hurts me.

But it doesn't.

[AngryPidgeon]

BBMolla is scum, but he has enough towncred ATM that we can't lynch him until D3 at the earliest.

[GuyInFreezer]

BBMolla is scum

?

I kinda wanna talk about someone else for a change.

[AngryPidgeon]

Well if you are expecting a case, you are gonna be disappointed. Im certainly not wasting mty time coughing one up just to get these responses:

No. Stop. Molla is town (town). You are only misreading him because you want to disagree with me

Molla is town. AP is going for low hanging fruits.

etc

Just skim his ISO. I realize that this is how he always comes off (makes lots of small assertions), but I'm reallly not feeling it right now. Especially since he is the sketchiest person on the vanity wagons atm and there is defo at least one scum on a vanity wagon.

His PV read just sort of appeared one day and the only justification is that hes "ungenuine". His deliberate waffling on my all Day just to agree with DGB's crap case felt terrible. Molla has no reason to believe that (frankly RC doesn't either come to think of it). No one has even qualified what about her general assertion actually translates into reality. And I'll go ahead and agree that Molla's defense of scummy people was weird to say the least.

[GuyInFreezer]

How could I be irresponsible and ask someone for a case when I don't do them myself?
I just wanted to switch focus on someone random.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, I'll look over his ISO and see if I can see what you see.

[BBmolla]

BBMolla is scum, but he has enough towncred ATM that we can't lynch him until D3 at the earliest.

Am not

[BBmolla]

AP it's a much better strategy to buddy you as scum here than be undecided on you as I am.

[GuyInFreezer]

What's your current reads on major wagons?
{Vezok, Sven, Alpa}

[GuyInFreezer]

@AP: Stuff in parenthesis in the end of sentences are my responses.

[X] Just skim his ISO. (Done!)

[X] I realize that this is how he always comes off (makes lots of small assertions), but I'm reallly not feeling it right now. (Feeling what, exactly?)

[-] Especially since he is the sketchiest person on the vanity wagons atm and there is defo at least one scum on a vanity wagon. (Note to self: review AP's post about the wagon thingy)

[X] His PV read just sort of appeared one day and the only justification is that hes "ungenuine". (Agreed)

[X] His deliberate waffling on my all Day just to agree with DGB's crap case felt terrible. (Ehhhhhhh what I see is him just auto-towning you bc lolcan'tread until DGB's pointing out something and giving it consideration. So I think you're seeing bit too much into this.)

[X] Molla has no reason to believe that (frankly RC doesn't either come to think of it). (Why?)

[X] No one has even qualified what about her general assertion actually translates into reality. (Can you explain with easy words? )

[X] And I'll go ahead and agree that Molla's defense of scummy people was weird to say the least. (Name the particular?)

[Bulbazak]

Why does sven wagon still exists?

Because he's scum and needs to die. Please try to keep up.

But I am keeping up.
Currently, Sven wagon consists of: Whoisthisguy, my_scum_read, my_town_but_having_an_off_game_read, mr.guy-who-voted-for-being-lazy, and mr.guy-whose-view-is-tainted-with-policy.
Am I missing something?

Um... Not really. I do think that Sven is still scum. At the very least, he's incredibly anti-town for trying to avoid questioning. Either way, he needs to die.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hrm, k. So just gonna stare at this for a little bit and conf bias a little bit in order to morph the evidence to fit my reads.

Ok. Your entire point is discarded.

[PeregrineV]

Ok caught up.