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[sekai no ki]

Also, AP why don't you let him respond?

[Bulbazak]

RC is town.

You get one post to carefully explain this or I am going to assume that you're reading him this way because you're scum and he's not in your QT.

I see him as legitimately trying to figure out the game. The spoilers simply show his thought process, and while it's not complete, you can at least see how he got to some of his reads. I just don't see the scum intent there.

Also, you should explain why you were okay with Aegor outing that you breadcrumbed something.

Because that's how I know he's town. That's the only way he could have known what I was saying.

Thread sentiment seemed pretty high that we're scum. I've never seen town-you hold off on a strong scum read in the games we've played, no matter what the thread sentiment was. Not several days before deadline.

Exactly. It's several days before deadline. There's no use trying to start a new wagon up that won't go anywhere. It's better to try to get one of my other scumreads lynched. And yes, Sven is still a scumread, one I want dead very much.

The other piece of this puzzle that makes me think you are scum is the scumread itself. You moderated my most recent scum game, and it was a pretty good example of both the good and the bad of how I play scum. You're in a better position than most of the players in this game to differentiate my scum vs town play. And you're not. You're not even trying.

Ffery, it's no secret that I can't read you. I've stated this over and over. Heck, I can't even read Cabd, and we've hydra'd together. I was only able to catch him recently via an inconsistency, and I still wasn't confident enough to push it. Perhaps if I did, we would have won that game. You are, and probably always will be, one of those players that I take my time in devoloping a read on.

[Zdenek]

I think this you are completely wrong about RC.

Because that's how I know he's town. That's the only way he could have known what I was saying.

Ok.

[AngryPidgeon]

Bulba because his stance is inconsistent. I explained this yesterday. He's voting svenskt who he has at "scum or anti-town town" while his read on us is full-on scum. He says this is because he doesn't think we're a viable lynch today but I've

seldom

seen him compromise as early as he did on us when he's town. Given his stance I would have expected him to change his vote when he got into the scuffle with pieguy.

I love how this starts out as an "inconsistency" case and then morphs into a meta case half way through.

1) There is nothing inconsistent about his Sven vote. Voting a leading wagon who you think is scum/anti-town is pretty pro-town IN MY OPINION.
2) Sven was trolling Bulbazak explicitly, making Bulba's vote there pretty understandable regardless of fuckelse.
3) re underlined: So he DOES compromise as town then sometimes. Since your case is based on meta and the timing of his comrpomises, Im sure you are willing to cough up meta and run some statistics on how late in the day he typically switches to compromising on scum/anti-town reads and run his play here against his townplay and determine that there is a <5% chance this game is from the population of his town games. gogo.

[Zdenek]

My current list of people who are likely scum are almost all people who are going to be nigh on impossible to lynch today, which is rather depressing.

[Majiffy]

P-edit: You expect moderators to read their own games carefully? And analyze the ins and outs of your scumplay? And to be accountable for it?

Oh thank god I'm not the only one that doesn't read shit.

[sekai no ki]

Ffery, it's no secret that I can't read you. I've stated this over and over. Heck, I can't even read Cabd, and we've hydra'd together. I was only able to catch him recently via an inconsistency, and I still wasn't confident enough to push it. Perhaps if I did, we would have won that game. You are, and probably always will be, one of those players that I take my time in devoloping a read on.

Are you actually saying that I'm harder to read than Cabd?

[sekai no ki]

Bulba because his stance is inconsistent. I explained this yesterday. He's voting svenskt who he has at "scum or anti-town town" while his read on us is full-on scum. He says this is because he doesn't think we're a viable lynch today but I've

seldom

seen him compromise as early as he did on us when he's town. Given his stance I would have expected him to change his vote when he got into the scuffle with pieguy.

I love how this starts out as an "inconsistency" case and then morphs into a meta case half way through.

1) There is nothing inconsistent about his Sven vote. Voting a leading wagon who you think is scum/anti-town is pretty pro-town IN MY OPINION.
2) Sven was trolling Bulbazak explicitly, making Bulba's vote there pretty understandable regardless of fuckelse.
3) re underlined: So he DOES compromise as town then sometimes. Since your case is based on meta and the timing of his comrpomises, Im sure you are willing to cough up meta and run some statistics on how late in the day he typically switches to compromising on scum/anti-town reads and run his play here against his townplay and determine that there is a <5% chance this game is from the population of his town games. gogo.

Fuck off.

[Majiffy]

Ffery, it's no secret that I can't read you. I've stated this over and over. Heck, I can't even read Cabd, and we've hydra'd together. I was only able to catch him recently via an inconsistency, and I still wasn't confident enough to push it. Perhaps if I did, we would have won that game. You are, and probably always will be, one of those players that I take my time in devoloping a read on.

Are you actually saying that I'm harder to read than Cabd?

I typically don't read either of you.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dodging prod.
I'll be back tomorrow night. Until then, I'll be busy with the project.

[sekai no ki]

@Ffery: Why did you have to role scum this game?

Ffery, it's no secret that I can't read you. I've stated this over and over. Heck, I can't even read Cabd, and we've hydra'd together. I was only able to catch him recently via an inconsistency, and I still wasn't confident enough to push it. Perhaps if I did, we would have won that game. You are, and probably always will be, one of those players that I take my time in devoloping a read on.

I'll just leave this here.

[mastin2]

ill call you sabrina from now on

That's the name of one of my closest friends.

Can we just flashwagon sekai now? Its like half the thread has realized shes scum but would feel bad about actually lynching her because shes ffery.

Sure thing, if the Sven wagon has fallen apart. Basically,

Personally, I still want to get Sven lynched, but if a Majiffy or Sekai wagon started really building up, I'd switch in a heartbeat.

What does bs stands for?

Baby Spice.

IDK, my overall feel from his wall is that he's intent on tunneling on mastin and his other scumreads are less interesting to him. He definitely prodded Sven a bit (even if he didn't outright call him scum). I don't really see where his read on you is coming from and iirc dopog was also not explained that well. But neither was the Vezok read?

I see why this looks scummy to you (and I -could- see this coming from scum), but I really don't think its as bad as you are saying?

I see someone tunneling on mastin and catching up on posts without really having an agenda in mind (other than the tunnel on mastin). Him being behind and just focusing mastin as an easy way to be involved could be a scum thing, but I could also see this being from town.

You know, everything you're saying here basically can be summed up as "Should be a scumread, because that's what the evidence suggests, but for whatever reason, isn't".

What's your current reads on major wagons?
{Vezok, Sven, Alpa}

Town Scum Town.

In other news: PeregrineV

might

be scum.

Ok caught up.

If this were true, why no posting leading up to getting caught up? And no posting right then after having got caught up? Was there nothing interesting to read since he fell behind?

Is Aegor still town?

Yes.

Would both of you support an Action Dan being eaten plan?

Yep!

If alpaca flips town, I'm policy lynching GIF tomorrow.

Why do tomorrow what you can do today?

Skimming, but Alpa's still looking ridiculously town in response to the wagon on them.

So Alpazard is probably town.

Indeed.

I'm not actually a vig btw

Scumclaim, 'cause

every

town player is a vig.

[7] Alpazard:

GuyInFreezer

, Thor665,

sekai no ki

, Toogeloo, SweatingChessball3, Aegor, AngryPidgeon

Not liking this wagon. I mean. It's made up of townreads aside from two names. So I really shouldn't have an issue with it. But I'm really, REALLY not liking this wagon, at all.

[8] PeregrineV: dopog, BBMolla, SC3, Alpa,

GiF

, Zdenek, pidgey, Aegor
^The fact that GiF sheeps the person he was previously scumreading should itself be a warning sign. Still don't like this wagon, though; it's a quick wagon, with no reasoning, and mostly lesser reads.

Side-note. The only thing freaking me out about Bulbazak is exactly how in-line his thoughts are with mine. He's ridiculously town aside from that single piece of paranoia.

Don't worry about Aegor, hes the scum that will sneak by to D3 or so before people realize hes just hovering around the thread w/o actually doing anything.

Wasn't that BBMolla?

God knows what Peregrine is

> Some Humans have the saying, "God is on our side."
> If that were true, then God would be aiding them.
> Humans are the enemies of zombies.
> Thus, God is the enemy of zombies.
> Thus, invoking Him is a scumclaim.

Reminder: ffery is scum.

Indeed.

/skimmed, but caught up.

[Majiffy]

I read that post as a joke.

p-edit: @ffery

[Majiffy]

Oh right Mastin is scum in this game.

[sekai no ki]

I read that post as a joke.

p-edit: @ffery

I did at first, too. but he's owned that read when I've pushed him about scumreading me.

[SweatingChessball3]

Oh right Mastin is scum in this game.

She can't be scum, she's voting PV.

[GuyInFreezer]

Scumclaim, 'cause every town player is a vig.

With this logic, scum is a vig too, since they collaborate on a single name to kill someone.
That must mean I claimed survivor.

[Majiffy]

Oh. I stopped reading his posts when I got a townread on him.

p-edit: Is there a PV case? Probably not nearly as good as my Vezok case.

p-edit2: STOP FUCKING POASTING GAWD DAMMIT GUIZ

[Majiffy]

Scumclaim, 'cause every town player is a vig.

With this logic, scum is a vig too, since they collaborate on a single name to kill someone.
That must mean I claimed survivor.

Neutral third parties are anti-town because they can side with scum in LYLO.

Survivor is now a scum claim.

[GuyInFreezer]

The fact that GiF sheeps the person he was previously scumreading should itself be a warning sign.

I did promise him sheeping of some sort under certain condition. Do you think you can find it?

[AngryPidgeon]

I did at first, too. but he's owned that read when I've pushed him about scumreading me.

Uhhh, so I ISO'd Bulba from that post onward.

He never mentions you after that until here:

Personally, I still want to get Sven lynched, but if a Majiffy or Sekai wagon started really building up, I'd switch in a heartbeat.

And THEN you actually pressure him about it.

Bulba looks particularly bad to me when I think about the game this way. He's voting for town-svenskt, whom he says is either scum or anti-town town. And yet he has a full-on scum read on me. I know bulba policy-votes, but this is kinda strange.

So he never actually claimed to have a full scumread on you other than the "why u role scum" post which was playful and certainly less than a mega-certain read.

You lied/misrepped the order of events in the thread and certainly never did anything to bulba to get him to 'own up' to it being aread. All he did was respond to me to state that he -woulkd- wagon you if you were a thing.

[sekai no ki]

No idea what you're saying about the order of events.

I've called him out for a full-on scumread at least twice starting with yesterday when I floated my paranoia about all the scumreads on me that haven't become votes.

He didn't correct me about having a full-on scumread. He defended keeping his vote on svenskt.

[sekai no ki]

well, he did claim not to be able to read me just now. Which doesn't line up very well with the post you just quoted where he said he'd switch to us in a heartbeat, now does it?

[BBmolla]

My current list of people who are likely scum are almost all people who are going to be nigh on impossible to lynch today, which is rather depressing.

Who?

[Zdenek]

My current list of people who are likely scum are almost all people who are going to be nigh on impossible to lynch today, which is rather depressing.

Who?

Pidgey, RC, SnK.
SCBK3 doesn't look great, but idk.