Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[Zdenek]

AP can you walk me through your read on Vezok? Or even just direct me to some sign posts in either your or Vezok's ISOs?

[BBmolla]

Yes this is a soft claim, I'm not going into night as a vig canidate so fuck off.

[sekai no ki]

To Clarify - this is the zombine Nom list

Vezok
Action Dan
BBMolla

Nope.

[Thor665]

I still don't get why people consider controlled vig kills any different from lynches. Ever. But they do.

Because with the random mechanic they lack actual wagon analysis info.
Making them quite different.

[dopog]

Hi

Kinda quick iso-ed vezok and I don't even know man. He's in that aegor, rubicon group of "why would you say this and that junk as town?" except probably a bit more town than those two. I like his kind of "people should play this way even if it means scumreading me" but stuff like #333 where he says "he tries to think outside of rubicon" when he's voting rubicon is just what the heck....
I would probably vote him - not with any confidence - so I much much rather pv.

On that;
@mastin: yeah kinda similar hesitancies about the PV wagon (zdenek and less aegor and even less gif). But his play I'm reading as scummy woo and I feel as if people are willing to bus him but that doesn't explain the speed. Thinking it through later. Need a bit of a timeout on it to navigate reads on that wagon and stuff.

Still don't know where zdenek's stuff is coming from.

Gif's really casual preemptive defence(/inb4 i get scumread) from I forget which post makes me want to re-read him.

Agree that people seem scared to push their sc3 scumreads, and I don't really like that at all, but I think they're town so I'm not pushing that.

Will probably hit up a bit more stuff when I get home today!

Bye

[BBmolla]

Smurf off*

[BBmolla]

RC/AD/Pidgey or RC/AD/Bulba imo.

[Thor665]

Thor please take me off the list, I'm important, thank you.

Meh.
Don't care about soft claim, agree that you're a lurksack.
If you don't want to be a Vig target get involved and don't try to skate by because "I'mma powah!" because, franly, I'd rather kill power roles and have involved active vanilla town, than kill VTs who are active and have lurksack PRs.
PRs are only useful as claims to stop mislynches most of the time anyway, because mods seem to think both Cops and Godfathers make sense in a setup together.

To Clarify - this is the zombine Nom list

Vezok
Action Dan
BBMolla

Nope.

Who would you recommend and why? Because that list looks pretty excellent to me.

[Thor665]

RC/AD/Pidgey or RC/AD/Bulba imo.

I'm indifferent on Bulba and am town reading Pidgey.
I don't like that you rule out Vezok.

I'm happier to have Bulba's support since he's down with Vezok, and his support wants you nomed over RC, and I really don't care one whit between you or RC.

[Zdenek]

Still don't know where zdenek's stuff is coming from.

Which stuff would that be deary?

[Zdenek]

Bulba and Aegor are absolutely not to be on the list.

[BBmolla]

And I don't think Vezok is scum.

[BBmolla]

RC/AD/Rubicon

[Zdenek]

If we lynch town (vezok or PV)? then the other should certainly be on the list.
If another wagon springs up, this is subject to change.

[sekai no ki]

Who would you recommend and why? Because that list looks pretty excellent to me.

Not BBMolla.

Vezok is probably getting lynched. If not, he's good. I'd put PV and RC there. I won't fight to keep AD off the list, but I think he's sortable. pie would want mastin in the list.

I don't like the way you're trying to strong-arm this.

[BBmolla]

I've been going under the assumption we are lycnhing PV

[Zdenek]

Hell, if we lynch town Alpazard is a good choice to be on the list too.

[Zdenek]

I still think that we should not specify all three people who everyone votes, so that we can try to use it as a targeted vig for one person that everyone votes.

[BBmolla]

idc someone make it, I'm just mega-super-important-priority-nightkill materal so don't put me on there.

[Thor665]

@BB - You don't have the sway to rule out Vezok. He needs lynch or vig, preferably Vig since I think the wagon is dumb.
Post Count is also hardly a true proof of lurksackness. A lot of the people posting less than Chessball have provided more relevant game opinions than either Chessball or you.

@Sekai - I don't care that you don't like it, I think it needs to be done and thus *someone* needs to strongarm it because the town can barely agree on a lynch. Hell, even look at you, you're talking about it now, which I submit is a good thing. If I hadn't done spit no one would be talking about it. Get over your generic and meaningless "oooh, strong arm" tell of meaningless buzzword and either present an actual issue or tow the line. This isn't rocket science, it's mafia.

I agree with your Mastin point, but like Chessball, it's just not going to get enough agreement, and frankly if I wanted to fight for one of them it would be for Chessball, heck, I might be townish on Mastin currently, really he's probably just in null soup so I don't even particularly support his eating myself.

New Zombie Nom List

Vezok *or* Pere (presumption is we lynch one of them, nom nom other)
Action Dan
Rubicon

[AngryPidgeon]

Fair enough. Rubicon certainly lurked away all the towncred I was willing to throw at him.

[Thor665]

I still think that we should not specify all three people who everyone votes, so that we can try to use it as a targeted vig for one person that everyone votes.

I don't hate this idea, but I see no issue not to equally weigh a pile of them. The only way I think it makes a difference is if scum get to flat out vote as well, and fluff seems to suggest that's rather unlikely.

[AngryPidgeon]

I still think that we should not specify all three people who everyone votes, so that we can try to use it as a targeted vig for one person that everyone votes.

Except the Mafia could have a Baiter that protects a player from it every night or some shit. So having 3 good targets makes for a good back up.

[Thor665]

Fair enough. Rubicon certainly lurked away all the towncred I was willing to throw at him.

I went back and looked nd all I had as interactions with him particularly was he mindlessly defended Chessball. I'm pretty happy with that being dead when paired with lurksack.

[BBmolla]

Post Count is also hardly a true proof of lurksackness. A lot of the people posting less than Chessball have provided more relevant game opinions than either Chessball or you.

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