Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[pieguyn]

WHY ARE WE NOT LYNCHING BUBBA TODAY

That's like the exact same crap you pulled in See Nine Plus Plus where you counter claimed the roleblocker and then went back and said that you were VT

I know Varsoon responded to this. But I'd like to say to him: Or you do the same shit that's worked before. Did it make him appear town in that game?

P-EDIT:
Let's go for Bubba, then.
The response to my claim of Vig was weird.
VOTE: Bubba

explain.

VOTE: Varsoon "Here's an idea. I'm going to claim vig, and attack bubba more. I Realize I'm getting strung up so I redact my claim, and then go back to attacking bubba."

Smart move.

Zmuffin's still scum though.

Is this game really gaining momentum?!? I completely disagree on Bubba, sorry Cabd.

Jaqen, your biggest weakness is you scum-hunting based around your conf-bias that we are scum. It literally screws up all of your reads. Use something else besides associative tells to scum-hunt until you actually see flips. Just a little pro-tip.

Varsoon, I still don't think you are town. If you actually are town, and want your "gambit" to do what you had intended, you need to prove your fake-claim with your death. Peace.

VOTE: Varsoon

~GC

Besides. A man has made 5 cases on GCBC to no avail.

I'd like to see them condensed and made succinct in one post that everyone can address and point to.
Also,
VOTE: GCBC
since he wants to make this about me versus him, I guess.
Doesn't fucking matter, I'm the lynch of the day, when what I really wanted was to be the kill for the night.
Keep mislynching until victory.
Wait.

THESE ARE ALL SURVIVALISTIC VOTES

ESPECIALLY BUBBA'S

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Do you find survivalistic votes alignment indicative pie?

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Also, I am not sure why you are calling my vote survivalistic?

~GC

[Varsoon]

Sakura, I lied about my claim. I'm not actually shooting town. There's an SK.
I just wanted to make sure that was the case.
No one else counter-claimed Vig.

[pieguyn]

Do you find survivalistic votes alignment indicative pie?

~GC

this is a weird 11th hour question to ask

it depends on how they're being survivalistic. it's especially suspicious from someone who's probably the SK bc if they get lynched it's game over for them

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, I lied about my claim. I'm not actually shooting town. There's an SK.
I just wanted to make sure that was the case.
No one else counter-claimed Vig.

That is not the point?

[Sakura Hana]

Also this is odd, were you really trying to draw a night kill or PR hunting =/

[Jaqen Hghar]

Besides. A man has made 5 cases on GCBC to no avail.

I'd like to see them condensed and made succinct in one post that everyone can address and point to.
Also,
VOTE: GCBC
since he wants to make this about me versus him, I guess.
Doesn't fucking matter, I'm the lynch of the day, when what I really wanted was to be the kill for the night.
Keep mislynching until victory.
Wait.

A man has done as my several times. Once so in PLAIN ENGLISH. A man is tired and must labor again I 5 hours. Do be kind and find it.

[Varsoon]

I was hoping to draw the night kill, and I still am.
At this point in the game, there's too many players willing to vote for me.
Since I'm town, my goal is to get killed at night instead of lynched.
Since there's been more than 1 NK happening, I wanted to find out if it was coming from town, scum, or a third party.
It's clear that it's likely a third party or a crazy scum power.
No one counter-claimed Vig on me, so we know what we're up against in terms of power.
Basically, I'm doing all I can right now in an effort to garner as much info for town.
I'm probably going to be lynched at this point because I couldn't be subtle about it.
I know I won't be the kill, since I outed that was my plan.
So that's pretty much where I am right now.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

YOU WILL NEVER EVER DRAW THE NIGHTKILL BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I was hoping to draw the night kill, and I still am.
At this point in the game, there's too many players willing to vote for me.
Since I'm town, my goal is to get killed at night instead of lynched.
Since there's been more than 1 NK happening, I wanted to find out if it was coming from town, scum, or a third party.
It's clear that it's likely a third party or a crazy scum power.
No one counter-claimed Vig on me, so we know what we're up against in terms of power.
Basically, I'm doing all I can right now in an effort to garner as much info for town.
I'm probably going to be lynched at this point because I couldn't be subtle about it.
I know I won't be the kill, since I outed that was my plan.
So that's pretty much where I am right now.

Spoiler:

art a la Katarina

[Varsoon]

YOU WILL NEVER EVER DRAW THE NIGHTKILL BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM

Spoiler:

It really bugs me when a player moronically parrots "Die Scum" over and over to me when I'm town.
I'm forced into one of two conclusions; The player is scum and all of my town allies are too weak to see it,
or the player is town and just being a complete asshole.
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VOTE: Varsoon

Fuck this, I'm out.

[Varsoon]

Couldn't even do my image tags right.
I fucked up the tags AND the image.
This is what should've been there:

[Varsoon]

And before you start dweebing, yeah, that was the hammer.

[Varsoon]

Town shits its guts out,
we die.
Everyone goes home.
Good Game.

[Varsoon]

Incoming my inevitable flip, which does one of two things:
Proves you're scum,
Proves you're an asshole.

I've been doing the math and there can't be this many scum in the game.

[Varsoon]

I'm really excited to follow the game post-death, so I can watch as no one makes use of any of the information I gathered and everyone communally agrees I am retarded.
Because, you know, pissing on me after treating me like shit all game is a good way to flush down the Scatman.

[Varsoon]

im a cheerful dog
woof

now im the pagetop
wooosh

now i am a birdy bird
chirp chirp

watch out, I am a lion~
raaaawr

watch out, I am a lion~
raaaawr

heeeeey, i am a sssssnaaaaake

Uhoh im a car
HONK

lookit me i am a lightning
ZAPPPA

no wait hold on hold on
i'm a sloth

i am a godzilla!
KRRAWWWWR

I am a fish
blub blub

wheee im a kid again
yaaaaay

im the life of the party!
Shezam!~

im a clock
tick took tik tok

Man, I already effort.
I am the effort.

You could've had a full page of my metamorphosis.
Now I'm just a Varsoon.
Deal with it.

I'm a corpse!
Nyak-nyak-nyak

[Varsoon]

No but really, it was fun to play with you guys, and while it frustrates the shit out of me to get this far and do so poorly, it is what it is.
I'm sorry for taking those frustrations out on you guys. I really hate how obstinate people get sometimes with their reads, but I know I am just as guilty of this.
In future games, let's try to treat each other like people, rather than trash. There's been a lot of hostility this game and that's bad vibes.
I love all of you. You give me a fun place to come in my downtime, and you keep me on my feet and challenged in these games.
Here's to hoping town does make some use of my death, I tried. ISO dig me, and please, please, please consider how things have changed in retrospect now that I'm dead.
It's been a blast, see you next game.
-V

[Varsoon]

A few of my hang ups that'll be apparent when my flip comes:
I really don't like how much Pie and others with extensive meta-history doubted me. It's kinda annoying to be undermined--I'm not going to use the same scum tactic that failed in a previous game if I'm scum in another game with the same people it failed to work on. The WIFOM that comes out of that is useless compared to how much people rely on meta here. I wish you guys would give me more credit than that.

It gets under my skin that I full-claimed and people gave me hell and back for my action. There are people voting me right now, who are town, because they think I couldn't have possibly done the action I claimed to do. When my flip comes, and when game-end shows that you're wrong, I hope you'll learn to trust people a bit more when they put themselves out there. Yes, everything should be taken with a grain of salt. Yes, everyone can lie. The issue is that scum want to make you distrust your allies. I really hope that's what happened here--I really, really hope scum's just running an (albeit transparent, to me) oppressive sort of play to widen the lynch pool by capitalizing on the fact my claimed action could be untrue. Otherwise, I just feel really crappy for making a play I thought would confirm me as town and work towards our win, when all it did was make town implode.

Also, GCBC, Jaqen, Sakura, Katarina, zMuffin, and Bubba? Cool your jets. I know we might all potentially be enemies in this game, but before and after it all, we're friends all on one site to play games together. You don't have to insult people and be really cruel. Just talk. If you disagree, say that, but it doesn't make someone scum-of-the-earth, retarded, idiotic, full of shit, or anything else. I really like playing with all of you, and so it'd be annoying if any one person blacklisted another. We're all here to play, have fun, and win some games. Shit-talking gets in the way of that, and I know, it's an easy habit to fall in to.

Saki, Notscience, GCBC, Sakura--thanks for replacing into the game. I love you guys, and you brought some fresh air in with you. Here's to hoping you can keep things popping when I'm dead and buried.

Once again, spread the love,
And go town~

[Varsoon]

To save you the journey of ISO'ing me, here's a Varsoon highlight reel:

Spoiler:

I'm gonna slap you nerds with the nitty gritty:
I'm not going to participate in this game very much.
However, I'm town, so there's no use in voting me, as I am now confirmed town.
You guys have an easier time now!
I'll find some scum, maybe, though.
It's just that it's my holiday, I'm a busy guy, this is a huge game, etc.
So I'm gonna be REAL ambivalent about lynches until this shrinks to normal size.
'cus otherwise, I'm just a distraction.
A loud, loud, town distraction ;_;

Kaze, I feel like you're the only dude who knows I'm here so I'm gonna just chat with you and stuff.

I don't have any good reads. I haven't been giving this game much attention. If I rolled scum, this wouldn't be a problem, since, y'know, this game can ramble on without me.
Pieguyn is not on the usual town ball. That's important to notice.
Then again, neither am I.

One of Lush Life, GCBC(previously morph), Kise, Pie, and zMuffin is scum, if not more. Just lynch that list and we'll be gold.

Easy fuckin' peasy.
VOTE: GoodCopBadCop

It scares me.
Well, also, your play, but I couldn't build a good case if I wanted to.
There's PoE elements there as well.

You should have an avatar with a pompadour, like mine.

There's things single players know and things all players know.
I know I'm town. I can claim it. But that doesn't make it confirmed.
Only the mod can confirm, via role or corpse.
Leveraging an argument based solely on your own knowledge is weak, and, ultimately, anti-town.

Fine, then I'm confirmed and after we lynch Bubba, then will you please focus on GCBC, who I've made a damn good case for?

VOTE: Bubba

YOU CANT SILENCE IDIOCY

Pie wagon is bad wagon.

GCBC, I actually do have a job for a college where I teach English--so, it is literally my job. Literally.
Just because your intelligence is insulted doesn't mean everyone who used uncommon or 'big' words don't know them either.

That's cool, but did you know that I'm capable of using the word 'misrep' in all of my games?
Classic Texas Sharpshoot Fallacy.

HOW DO PLANS OR TRICKS WORK
PEOPLE ARENT DUMB
HURRRR

EVERYONE IS SO SMART NO ONE FALLS FOR ANYTHING EVER

I can wiggle my butt too

wiggly butt

@Saki: Samurai Flamenco and Space Dandy are both pretty good. I'm town this game. My wagon is easy, and scum-motivated. Dram and Action votes on me are worthless and gain no info on either of the slots because they haven't weighed in.


When I flip, please kill GCBC and the scum-fucks pushing my wagon. I want to die though, even if that's against my wincon in a way. Maybe I should claim scum so you guys lynch me or something and then you can post-death-slayers gambit it?

Anyway, I'm fine with my lynch.

VOTE: Varsoon

You guys are all jerks who don't listen to me anyway.

I'm tired of being considered as useless, so maybe my death will finally get town doing something worthwhile.

Kaze, all I want is for someone to die today. If it's me, I know it wont be one of our stronger PRs.
It's all good.

We need a lynch regardless, and my death will give good PoE for the game.
It'll be good.
I've accepted it.
I need to die for us to win.

How I feel about Gaiden.

@GCBC: Cool.

Fun Fact: No one buys pizza like Varsoon, no one gets mislynched like Varsoon, for there's no man in town half as manly! Perfect, a pure paragon!

So I was watching Fist of the North Star, and I wish there was a Fist of the North Star themed mafia game. So I'll probably run that. It'd be manly as fug.

You're jerkbutts.

Because it's fucked up to play like an asshole as scum.
It's okay to be an asshole if you're just an asshole, though.

COME ON
LYNCH ME
IM RIGHT HEEEERE
CMOOOOON
DOOO IT

Big jiggling tits

Giant fleshy mounds of breasts.

mooo
im a cow

kaze died
varsoon cried

You ever think, "Oh man that girl has such a cute butt?"
ME NEITHER

Dram, why the fuck would you tip a cow?

You ever want to punch your boss in the face while a horse watches?

Pie, if you ever learn anything from me, it's that claims don't mean anything.

If I was scum an an ally of mine was an encryptor, it'd make plenty of sense for me to claim town encryptor/whatever. That way, when my buddy flips before me, I get conf-town status because a bunch of rubes believe in claims more than play.

Hey GCBC,
the only reason we were fighting was because the record labels were paying us to,
so why don't we combine forces and make the best rap album of all ti--er, hunt scum?

Gonna backflip out of the game now,
adults can talk now

silly katarina, I am a ghost
wooooooOooooo~

Yeah, there was a mason encryptor claim from pie. Shit pings mad on my paranoia, but makes sense as well. Bugs me but it is what it is.
People are ignoring me because I'm either:
1. Stupid enough for scum to keep as a liability in mid/lategame
2. Town realizes I'm town.
Easy.

I hope you are referring to me, 'cus I'm a fish. I don't like the Oracle claim, but isn't it against the rules to lie about interaction with mods?
I figure it's town.

@Jaqen:

I think the Oracle claim is -really- convenient. I'm pretty distrustful of claims in general.

Even if Katarina is a mislynch, ooooh no we lost an Oracle who was lobbying for mislynches anyway.

I probably do, but you abused the power of belief and made me real sad for awhile.
...I still believe, though.

Nacho and GCBC make me so uncomfortable.

GIF IS IN THIS GAME TOO?!?

Woah woah woah woah woah woah
GCBC is trying to say my play here resembles my play in Xenogears?

I'm taking a shower and going to play pathfinder, you guys are crazy.

Let's just lynch all suspects.
Can that be a thing?
Lynch All Suspects?
LAS?

Hey hey, Muffin. Muuuuffin.

Who's the scum?

I'm bored of you talking about flipping town and I'm ready for you to just do it already.

I like to imagine everyone else is in on what everyone's alignment is but me and they all dance and play this elaborate ruse.

You're forgetting that roles don't mean anything.
If a Strongman died and I was scum, would you believe me if I claimed bulletproof?

what happened, dandy? you used to be cool

(and the "evidence" is flawed for several reasons) (all of which i've gone over several times) (plus i'm town)

I'm always cool.
On the real, eh, if you're scum, then I lost this time.

VOTE: bubba

Where is bubba?

The only innocents are bodies.

ugh, I'm not scum, get that shit off the table

So, basically, in any circumstance where I'm blocked, then the redirect fails.
If my targets are rolestopped, I redirect but then the redirected actions fail.
If my redirect fails, I would receive a PM letting me know that it did.
If my redirect fails, it does not use up the one shot of it.

I did not receive a PM saying that my redirect failed.
So it did not fail.
I can attempt to do another tonight in spite of that,
but I'm fairly certain that my shot went through and got used up on N1.

I love that everyone's spouting their fanfiction of what happened in the gap of lost posts.

It left me feeling particularly filthy in regards to Katarina and Sakura, but I also can't budge on Bubba since, if I was in his position, I'd use that to leverage some votes onto either of them.
:/

So, yeah.
And Sakura, Word of God says I don't have my power anymore.
Face it, you don't know what happened N1, and insisting that you do is an attempt at a power play to get me lynched of off fallacy.
My problem is that I could see you doing this as town just as much as scum, but I won't deny you the sort of agency that a Scum-Sakura would have in this situation.
So I'm reading your play as scum.
For the record.
In case I die or some shit.

Jesus.

OR MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, VARSOON WASN'T LYING ABOUT HIS NIGHT ACTIONS AND BECAUSE KAGAMI'S INPUT WAS AMBIGUOUS AND BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE ACTIONS THAT HAPPENED ON NIGHT 1, WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT ALL THE NIGHT ACTIONS THAT HAPPENED DID NOT HAPPEN IN THE WAY EVERYONE THINKS THEY DID.

There's too many unknown factors, and the fact that people are trying to leverage a lynch against me now makes me feel really fucking uncomfortable about it.
The point was brought up that I should've spoken up when Kagami flipped and discussion was happening over Kagami maybe using her ability on me.
Except, it's fucking awkward that THIS CURRENT DISCUSSION ALSO DIDN'T HAPPEN THEN, NONE OF YOU WERE POINTING FINGERS THEN, SO WHY NOW?
It's pretty damn apparent that the entire thing is being forced to put me into a lynchable position today/tomorrow, since scum doesn't want to waste an NK on my weak-ass PR.
You're all such gullible rubes.
Let's discuss something else for once.

Everyone deserves to be addressed. Just because I scum-read someone doesn't mean their input isn't valuable. If anything, it's worth even more to me.

I'm town 'cus my role pm says good girl.

i should tally the number of times people mention that banner as a reason to doubt a town read on me :/
dandy
don't believe in yourself. believe in me. believe in the muffin who believes in dandy

I'm never going to doubt my read, for I have been cunningly manipulated.
If I was a fool for it, then I will stand by my foolishness. That's the dandy way.

VOTE: Bubba

I thought about it, and I wanna see if he does have the balls.
Let's walk down this schlong and winding road.

I'm scum with GCBC,
Caaaaaallin it.

Odd-night Vigilante, One-shot redirector.
Town.
That's me.

Okay, well, I guess this isn't a good time to mention I only claimed Odd-Night Vig in the hope that scum would kill me tonight instead of an actually worthwhile PR.
I also wanted to see how people would react, who would vote for me in fear of the Odd-Night Vig, who would place an opportunistic vote, and what all our maybe-SK players would say.
I'm a bit troubled by the results, but maybe you rubes can make sense of them.
I hope my death did something.
I didn't want to be a liability.

Yeah, I'd pull the exact same thing I did in a scum-game against you guys as scum again right after your pointed out that I was similar to the way I was in that game.
Or your confbias is showing.

Hey, hey, GCBC, chill.
We can shake fists and all that post-game.
For now, we're still in the game,
so let's help win the game.

P-EDIT:
Let's go for Bubba, then.
The response to my claim of Vig was weird.
VOTE: Bubba

On Saki: I can see it. Sakura, SSK, Katarina all bother me, though.
On zMuffin: I've decided to agree with muffin that the guilty thing is a red herring that scum's hoping to ride for a mislynch. If I'm wrong, whatever. I get a venge-kill anyway.
On Varsoon: Sorry, I'm town. Just retarded, but town.

Here's my list, too.

Town:

pieguyn (via Masonry)
Jaqen Hghar (via IC)
ActionDan (via copclaim, which I don't know if is a hard-bus now. :/ Gonna stick with AD as town.)
zMuffin (subject to change based on flips)

Probably town but who knows due to setup/reads weirdness:

Katarina
notscience

Fuckifiknow:

MafiaSSK
Nachomamma8
GCBC

Scum:

Saki
Sakura
bubbajack8

At least we're on pretty much the same page. Saki's push on me and Bubba's everything ping too hard for me. I don't like Sakura's adding me back to the lynchpool and playing all the right notes for our conf-towns.
I like zMuffin's avoidance of forming a townbloc when I mentioned it to him about a dozen times.

GCBC is scum and this is him as caught scum.

Explain how he's scum.
Show how this is like him when he's caught.
Do your fucking legwork.
Make a case.

Sakura, I lied about my claim. I'm not actually shooting town. There's an SK.
I just wanted to make sure that was the case.
No one else counter-claimed Vig.

[Cabd]

Sakura, i'm sending you a present tonight. Please await it gleefully.

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

Hey, Cabd, wanna chat for awhile now that I'm dead?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

It's 4am dude. I'm barely conscious. Game related, i'll push myself to stay up. Not game related, sitechat is your bro.