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[Zdenek]

A mastin scum flip would mean sekai no ki prob town, which would be nice.

[mastin2]

This is the game you've chosen for subverting your scummeta isnt it.

Yes, but I'm doing it with a town role PM.

How does that make any sense? What have SCB done to keep a townread at all?

What that means is that SCB's content early-game was strongly town, but recently is now only weakly vaguely town. The read's degenerated to be more minor, but still exists.

Rubicon is also a solid option

A much better example than Rubicon.

1) mastin has played intentionally scummy which makes it difficult to get an RVS read on her and allows her to coast to later in the Day on a flimsy excuse. This could be from town, but its anti-town if so since mastin has obfuscated reads on the slot.

You're not thinking bigger-picture, AP. The literal content I provided early-game was in fact intentionally scummy at a glance. But if you look at the mindset, it becomes much easier to see the town-me in there. Especially considering how I've been progressively cleaning up my act.

2) There are plenty of people scumreading mastin.

Which you know would never actually happen if I was scum.

3) The posts are all fairly forgettable and nothing rings extremely genuine (could definitely be scum).

? They've been plenty memorable.

4) Connections. Mastin's hollow assertions and reads will be a goldmine if she flips scum.

Hollow assertions? I've been going out of my way to try and give details! Also, ask yourself what connections you gain from my townflip. Answer: not very many; all you get is my D1 scumreads which are likely not anywhere close to perfect.

5) Mastin is making no effort to compromise this game which makes her dead weight.

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK MY POSTS HAVE BEEN DOING?!? Sekai. GiF. Dan. Sven. Jiffy. Rubicon. Heck, even PV! I've been compromising on all of them. I've been considering them, working with you on them. I'm even open to RC, and DCB. That's anything BUT unwilling to compromise; you could make a better case for me being scum on me having done nothing BUT compromising.

[AngryPidgeon]

A mastin scum flip would mean sekai no ki prob town, which would be nice.

Meh. I'd rather just powerlynch Dopog/RC after a mastin scumflip and then recalibrate after that.

[AngryPidgeon]

Sven and Alpaca are both probtown after a mastin scumflip though.

[Bulbazak]

bulba saying that he is good with that list, a list that doesnt have my name, seems so fucking fake.

bulba you have been calling me scum for days, the only reasoning offered is that i dont answer your questions, i dont get how you now are fine with a list that doesnt have my name, seems like you are kissing up to thor

I have other scumreads besides you, and I also recognize that others don't want to kill you for some reason.

Bulba tell me what else I am being called so you can get comf town status.
It starts with H.

Herder. Welcome to the town block.

I need a god damn hazmat suit to wade through all these softclaims.

Dan can you give me a sign of some sort? I don't know who else to wagon except Sven at this point lol.

Welcome to the town block.

He said or did something to dismantle his wagon. What was it?

If you don't know, I'm not telling you.

Four people have crumbed/claimed that role. Precedence is hardly a differentiator.

Do you not think 4 people can have the same role, especially when we were told there might be more than 1?

ActionDan claimed Hunter for all those not paying attention.

Falvormeisters of this theme, what are Hunters and Boomers?

Hunters:


Boomers:

ActionDan claimed Hunter for all those not paying attention.

Talk to me more about this. How did AD claim Hunter, and where did you come up with Hunter?

You need to pay more attention.

@Bulbazak: I see you online. Can I please please please have your vote on mastin2?

No. You can, however, have this one:

Unvote

Vote Sekai no ki

[AngryPidgeon]

As grand as that vote (I mean ffery's heart really isn't into her scumgame right now and its obvious), I don't think we can get enough people to vote her?

[Majiffy]

The commercials look interesting but FPS are rarely as good as the commercials look.

First one was really good. I've heard the second is pretty meh in comparison.

It's a lot of fun to get 1-4 people playing together on it. One of the few good party games around these days.

[Majiffy]

As grand as that vote (I mean ffery's heart really isn't into her scumgame right now and its obvious), I don't think we can get enough people to vote her?

Don't deviate from the Mastin. We're so close.

[mastin2]

Bulbazak is so town, every time someone votes him, I cough up blood.

As grand as that vote (I mean ffery's heart really isn't into her scumgame right now and its obvious), I don't think we can get enough people to vote her?

You could if you stopped your damn scumread of me.

[Venmar]

[9] PeregrineV: dopog, BBMolla, Sweatingchessball3, Alpazard, GuyInFreezer, Zdenek, Thor665, Aegor, RedCoyote

@Mod - I'm pretty sure I'm not voting anyone.

I apologize, this is true, Thor is not voting PV.

I'll have a votecount up once I get home and have access to a computer.

[Aegor]

VOTE: mastin

[Rubicon]

VOTE: mastin2

Dieeeeeee

[Zdenek]

A mastin scum flip would mean sekai no ki prob town, which would be nice.

Meh. I'd rather just powerlynch Dopog/RC after a mastin scumflip and then recalibrate after that.

why dopog?

[Zdenek]

Mastin, why do you still have a scum read on Rubicon?

[Rubicon]

- Rubicon might be scum for hard defending Aegor, but not Bulbazak. The only reason I can see to defend Aegor like that is because of their interactions.

Haven't read enough of the thread to have a real opinion on Bulbazak, or to know why my read of one would affect my read of the other.

I'm feeling Aegor as town because of the way he's being obstinate (meta reason), challenging stronger players and not changing his own play to match what they want. And maybe for his reactions w/ the whole scum claim thing in RVS.

It makes me think that he's faking understanding what was going on.

Uh, have you read my posts?

[Zdenek]

The second sentence is about the observation in the first one.

[AngryPidgeon]

why dopog?

Especially the first one cause you don't really seem to want to follow up on the vote.

Bulbazak votes mastin and Dopog tries to imply Bulba is scummy for not following up on it. Weak distancing from mastin w/o really discussing mastin himself.

Not really seeing redcoyote just getting townread out of the wall, especailly inner circled by AP if reasons are same as @ this post

Doubts RC town but doesn't really follow up on this either. (This is a dopog/RC connection but meh, Im selling them as a trio).

Basically he never mentions mastin2 all game except to call Bulba scummy for not pushing her.

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Meanwhile, mastin2 calls dopog a mislynch in RVS and then keeps trying to floata dopog townread all game and dopog doesn't even raise an eyebrow in mastins direction.

[mastin2]

Mastin, why do you still have a scum read on Rubicon?

Because he's been posting like scum? I explained the scumread a little bit already, but I don't have the time to explain in full right now.

[Bulbazak]

As grand as that vote (I mean ffery's heart really isn't into her scumgame right now and its obvious), I don't think we can get enough people to vote her?

You never know unless you try.

First one was really good. I've heard the second is pretty meh in comparison.

The second one is the better of the 2. It includes more specials, melee weapons, tweaked gameplay, and you can even play all the missions from the first game with these changes.

[Majiffy]

Mastin, why do you still have a scum read on Rubicon?

Clinging to her gods and her guns or something like that.

[sekai no ki]

nope.

Vote someone.

VOTE: Mastin

One sentence why I should vote him?

Pie's reasons are her excessive abrasiveness and forcefulness. I'm a little wary of that because the abrasiveness and forcefulness mostly came out most strongly in the exchange with Red Coyote, who I am definitely not townreading. For me, it's the complete lack of attention to key details in the game thread as the last minute wagons have risen and fallen. Someone who's town should not be missing the stuff Mastin has glossed over.

[mastin2]

For me, it's the complete lack of attention to key details in the game thread as the last minute wagons have risen and fallen. Someone who's town should not be missing the stuff Mastin has glossed over.

Except the only detail I missed was something easy to have misread, and me being largely skimming, and me also being typing as others are posting and ignoring pedits. Otherwise, I've addressed every detail I've deemed relevant.

[sekai no ki]

Amalgamated Reads Update

TOWNTOWNTOWN

GIF
Zdenek
Aegor
Action Dan
PeregrineV

Town

BBMolla
AngryPidgeon
Svenskt
Bulbazak
Sweating Chessball
Alpazard
Vesok (neither of us are fully convinced by the claim, so he's teetering on the brink between low-tier town and null)

Maybe Town

Rubicon
dopog
Nero Cain
Pidgey
majiffy

Not So Town

Mastin
RedCoyote
Thor

[sekai no ki]

Should note that Pie is more skepticall of AP's towniness than I am. In his experience scum walk through/derail/discredit lines of questioning way more frequently than town do.

AP's play is reminding me of Wisdom-style tunneling, and I think the question-derailing is coming from raging confbias.

[sekai no ki]

Also, before day closes, I hope to have a better grasp of Thor's posting. I'm offput by his focus on the town nks and the way he's trying to shape the three submissions, but there are other things he's posted that I feel are kinda towny. Some distance and review may change that read.