Mini 1558 - VisCon: Crossroads [Game Over]

[notscience]

hi notsci

ftfy

What're you thinking of Brian Majiffy?

[Majiffy]

It's more that I'm hoping that you and I can bounce shit off each other this game.

I'm ok with this.

What're you thinking of Brian Majiffy?

Nothing yet. Played scum in a game with him-town before, though, and was impressed by his showing. I expect big things.

[hiplop]

VOTE: konowa

i've learned to always sheep majiffy always

[Kalimar]

konowa seems like a good fellow to me

VOTE: konowa

i've learned to always sheep majiffy always

Explain why your earlier read became outdated and why you didn't choose to sheep Majiffy from the get-go.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.5

notscience [1] - Who
pieguyn [2] - Kalimar, Bait
Konowa [4] - Majiffy, notscience, Desperado, hiplop
Bait [1] - pieguyn
Desperado [2] - Konowa, borkjerfkin
SXTLHGaiden [1] - GuyInFreezer
hiplop [1] - Brian Skies

Not Voting [1]

- SXTLHGaiden

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

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Deadline is March 14, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-03-14 13:00:00)

[hiplop]

^ because im an idiot!

tbh I kinda see konowa as town, though I also have no other substantial reads quite yet

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF fears me for some reason. Clearly this must mean he is scum.

scumGaiden is OMGUS scumreading me. I must be town.

[pieguyn]

BAIT

you ignoring me TWICE is noted. why do you keep dodging my questions? I'm trying to determine your alignment and by completely ignoring me you're preventing me from doing that. what are you trying to accomplish by doing this?

also, care to explain why kirroha's post was town?

[GuyInFreezer]

Notsci who did you replace?

[pieguyn]

Ok. What did you see between 36 and 59 to change your mind on GiF?

it's a meta read and I don't wanna reveal it bc it's too accurate

what's your current read on GIF and what do you think of Bait?

pie is still most likely scum in my eyes

her one post was just crummy as hell

no shit, it was RVS and I was trying to get reactions. why are you throwing blame on me for smth like this?

Majiffy buddying also seems out of place in this particular post (like I get early game flowchart jokes haha flowchart awesome [look at ns 132 for the correct version of this trope) but tonewise that isn't what this is; he's leveraging that into an actual reason here despite that 1) Majiffy's done really nothing to prove his alignment at this point in the game and 2) you're sheeping him off the analysis of one flimsy early game reaction test (which by the way PEOPLE SUCK AT ANALYZING GENERALLY but that's not really relevant to this post)

why are you singling Desp out for this? a lot of people were sheeping Majiffy and idk if the bit about "flowchart" was 100% serious. also why do you necessarily have to have someone's alignment sorted in order to sheep them? it's only natural no one will have sorted anyone given it's RVS

also what exactly is your opinion of the wagon on me? given you didn't even comment on it and all you mentioned about the whole incident was saying 20 was a "flimsy early game reaction test", it seems like you're just trying to come in with a consensus scumread

[pieguyn]

@Majiffy:

what exactly is your read on bork and what are your thoughts on Bait?

[borkjerfkin]

why are you singling Desp out for this? a lot of people were sheeping Majiffy and idk if the bit about "flowchart" was 100% serious. also why do you necessarily have to have someone's alignment sorted in order to sheep them? it's only natural no one will have sorted anyone given it's RVS

He was by far the most awkward about the manner in which he hopped on the wagon; I mentioned plenty there besides the flowchart thing. Like I said, it was a seriously toned post in all manner outside of the flowchart, so it stands to reason I'm not remiss in reading that he think Majiffy is sheepable at this point in the game.

"Why do I have to have a townread on someone to sheep them?" Like really? Do I want to sheep people I don't know or even necessarily think have my best interests at heart?

Are you townreading Desp? If so, why/where is evidence of that before now?
If not, where the fuck is this hostility toward me coming from? I've

never

seen you react to me like this out of the gate before.

Hadn't really made up my mind on the composition of the wagon on you yet, but I obviously found a spot I wanted my vote more than you. Why is commenting on the wagon on you some sort of standard of proficiency for me at this point in the game, considering I've been a part of it for like 10 hours?

If I'd sheeped Majiffy would on Konowa would that be a "consensus scumread" too? Exactly how are you determining that I'm being disingenuous here? Or did you just decide to scumread me and figure out the reason for that after the fact?

(Don't like your slot at all, now, in case that wasn't clear from this post)

[Majiffy]

VOTE: konowa

i've learned to always sheep majiffy always

Welcome to the greatest D1 Wagon of all time.

@Majiffy:

what exactly is your read on bork and what are your thoughts on Bait?

He's probably town because bork doesn't roll scum.

[pieguyn]

"Why do I have to have a townread on someone to sheep them?" Like really? Do I want to sheep people I don't know or even necessarily think have my best interests at heart?

except IT'S RVS. first off, at that point it's natural that no one knows anyone's alignment. so I don't get how needing to know Majiffy's alignment matters. you're taking this reasoning and applying it out of context which feels like you're trying to come up with a reason to follow the main scumread

second off, it's not like a RVS vote would actually lead to a lynch and so there's nothing wrong with sheeping smth just to see where it goes. so what's the problem with sheeping someone at that point?

Are you townreading Desp? If so, why/where is evidence of that before now?
If not, where the fuck is this hostility toward me coming from? I've never seen you react to me like this out of the gate before.

I don't feel confident reading you and I'm really worried bc you generally don't ping me like this, and on top of that there's hardly any pressure on you. so I wanna make sure you don't get by unnoticed

I've caught several scum before by knocking them off balance immediately (BRO in AOT), so damn right I'll come swinging at you out of the gate

Hadn't really made up my mind on the composition of the wagon on you yet, but I obviously found a spot I wanted my vote more than you. Why is commenting on the wagon on you some sort of standard of proficiency for me at this point in the game, considering I've been a part of it for like 10 hours?

it's not a "standard of proficiency", I'm trying to get you to take a stance on the wagon bc you didn't give one and given it's one of the major things that's happened so far it seems like a good place to build a read from. hardly anything has happened in this game and so I need to work with what I can get. it also felt like you were scum who was trying to fly under the radar bc you didn't comment on anything else besides the Majiffy read and the best way to deal with that is to shine a floodlight in their face and give them nowhere to hide

If I'd sheeped Majiffy would on Konowa would that be a "consensus scumread" too? Exactly how are you determining that I'm being disingenuous here? Or did you just decide to scumread me and figure out the reason for that after the fact?

bc you came in and immediately went towards Desp and then the only other thing you did was the Majiffy dance. that plus your reason for scumreading him makes me think you just made it up

(Don't like your slot at all, now, in case that wasn't clear from this post)

oh no I'm really scared
not. I happen to be an M. so come at me with all you got :>

[pieguyn]

He's probably town because bork doesn't roll scum.

that doesn't really help me. any read on Bait?

[Bait]

BAIT

you ignoring me TWICE is noted. why do you keep dodging my questions? I'm trying to determine your alignment and by completely ignoring me you're preventing me from doing that. what are you trying to accomplish by doing this?

also, care to explain why kirroha's post was town?

What questions?

Also no. The replace out was a town replace, there's nothing more to it.

[borkjerfkin]

except IT'S RVS. first off, at that point it's natural that no one knows anyone's alignment. so I don't get how needing to know Majiffy's alignment matters. you're taking this reasoning and applying it out of context which feels like you're trying to come up with a reason to follow the main scumread

second off, it's not like a RVS vote would actually lead to a lynch and so there's nothing wrong with sheeping smth just to see where it goes. so what's the problem with sheeping someone at that point?

I mean yes, RVS happened before that, sure. Like if Desperado had just gone "I agree with Majiffy; vote: konowa" I'd not have batted an eye at it. I'd also have not called that 'sheeping' as much as 'agreeing with a particular argument' so maybe this is a semantic issue with us. Sheeping to me = voting with your townreads even if you don't really have a real scumread on the slot you're voting.

A lot of what I found wrong with Desp's post is tonal and I don't know how to explain it any better than I have. The way that Desp/NS/hiplop are 'flowcharting' are all a bit different.

I'll ask again: what is your read on Desperado?

I don't feel confident reading you and I'm really worried bc you generally don't ping me like this, and on top of that there's hardly any pressure on you. so I wanna make sure you don't get by unnoticed

I've caught several scum before by knocking them off balance immediately (BRO in AOT), so damn right I'll come swinging at you out of the gate

I don't object to pressure on me. That's part of the game.

What I do object to and what is jarring (and furthermore kind of aggravating if you're town) to me is that you've developed this scum narrative for my play ("I came in wanting to vote on a consensus scumread"/"I'm scum who was trying to fly under the radar") based off not only what I said in ONE post but also based on what I DIDN'T say there (namely comment on your wagon) and considering the fact that I just joined the game, I have to start

somewhere.

How the fuck does that even begin to approach "flying under the radar?"

I'm trying to get you to take a stance on the wagon bc you didn't give one and given it's one of the major things that's happened so far it seems like a good place to build a read from.

Yeah, what it looked like to me was that you were trying to call me scummy for not having already commented on it at the point in the game where you engaged me. Were you not doing that?

oh no I'm really scared

Dude, I'm not pretending I've got you fucking figured out after one post, but what you've come at me with so far really looks like you just wanted to scumread my slot and then figured out after the fact what you wanted to do it for.

I'm not resigned to driving a wedge between us so early in the game, so this is as much of a reach out as you're getting from me: I am town. If you're town, it's time to reassess because you're on the wrong track.

[GuyInFreezer]

So
{Desp, pie, Gaiden} scumteam?

[SXTLHGaiden]

Ok GiF, you caught me. Would you mind if I bus pie before you go after me?

[GuyInFreezer]

I won't mind that at all.

[Majiffy]

He's probably town because bork doesn't roll scum.

that doesn't really help me. any read on Bait?

Not yet.

[FakeGod]

Prodded Brian Skies.

[Who]

^ because im an idiot!

tbh I kinda see konowa as town, though I also have no other substantial reads quite yet

Why are you voting a townread?

[Majiffy]

Because the flowchart is mighty.

[hiplop]

Because the flowchart is mighty.