In post 1839, Venmar wrote:[7] Mastin2: Nero Cain, sekai no ki, AngryPidgeon, Majiffy, ActionDan, Aegor, Rubicon
Sekai's scum. Jiffy's scum. Rubicon's scum.
DGB's right.
This. is. a. scum. driven. wagon.
And you dang-well KNOW it is. You've even admitted it! That sekai and Jiffy are scum. You know they're scum. Which is simpler?
That in spite of my policy on not-bussing, my scumbuddies decided to entirely discard it and wagon me, when I'm an incredibly strong scum player...
...Or that I'm town and they're scum pushing a mislynch?
USE. YOUR. GOD. DAMNED. REASONING.
I'm looking more at NeroCain, maybe Majiffy/Aegor, and it has eroded my Rubicon town read. Not all these 4 players are scum though.
I remember mastin selfvoting as town once just to end distractions, but I do agree he is not in that position at all in this game. Dont think survivalistic instinct he is showing is that scummy. Id move to mastin but there must be better options?
1. Majiffy
^Scum. I already explained the basics behind it, but basically, Majiffy's posting here is entirely scum-oriented. The best of his posting is "meh", when almost all the rest of it is scun. He puts on a good act, but this is his scumplay.
2. Toogeloo/Newplayer
^I'll need more content before this solidifies, but I remember Toog being fairly town, so a decent townread. Basically, posting seems fairly genuine and looks oriented on scumhunting, rather than manipulating.
3. Sekai no Ki (Fferyllt/Pieguyn Hydra)
^Scum, through-and-through. I've been pounding this one in, but the simplest way of saying it is that their entire posting has zero scumhunting in it, and is entirely focused on manipulating things. They're survivalistic and using basically every trick in the scumbag's handbook.
4. SweatingChessball (DrippingGoofball/Chesskid3 Hydra)
^Also a decent townread. Though they haven't been posting as much as I'd prefer, and their content as of recently has been slightly lackluster, they're still a fairly decent townread, because their thoughts seem to be coming from a town player. Both of them have stances that are easy to see and relate to. Basically, just by extrapolating their posting, you can see that they're town; they've got a clear trajectory that is easily followed, and I can easily understand what gives them their reads.
5. PeregrineV
^Basically conftown thanks to his reaction to being wagoned.
6. RedCoyote
^A minor townread. His posting looks to be his Walking Dead self, in that I can see him thinking those things as town and it has the same basic tone. However, this is not a strong read, because RC's content is absolute crap and he's basically been a hardcore lurker--even active-lurking, because his massive walls? The content in them is mostly useless, and disjointed from his reads.
8. Alpazard (Pitoli/NotScience Hydra)
^Strongish townread. I really liked their reaction to pressure, but beyond that, they've got some good posting which looks to be unique. They strongly look like town who's thinking things through, and coming up with their own reads and reasoning. I've shown some of this, but not all of it.
9. Aegor
^Solid townread, but admittedly a bit of a stale one. Aegor's posting strongly looks town overall, coming from a town mindset. There are parts of the game where when I see his posting, I think "meh". But as a counterpart to Majiffy, that's the WORST in his posting; there are other times where I can clearly see the town in his posting.
10. GuyInFreezer
^Also a decent scumread. Basically, GiF's posting, pure and simple, looks like it comes from a scum mindset. It doesn't look like he's analyzing things. It doesn't look like he's scumhunting. It looks like he already knows the answers, and is posting around that. His reads make no sense from town, either; they use bad reasoning and all-in-all, he comes across as being highly fake.
11. Bulbazak
^One of my strongest townreads. Bulbazak's posting is basically pure town essence. His thoughts line up nearly perfectly with my own. His reasoning, I can see. His read progression and evolution is natural, and not forced. He's analyzing. He's scumhunting. He's not manipulating players; he's trying to figure things out. Add in his early (but highly genuine) AtE, and you've got a solid town player.
12. Thor665
^Probably town. I've really liked Thor's posting overall, but like several others, this is mostly from the beginning. His recent posting is more null, but the only player I can see him as being scum with is apparently town, and even then, that was just a brief theory. His reasoning, I can follow. I can see where he gets his stances from, and actually agree with a fair bit. Though I'm admittedly not good at reading Thor, I do believe that's still a strong indicator of him being town.
13. Svenskt Stål
^Weaker scumread. Sven's largely dropped off my radar. He's been lurking. His earlier posting was bad, and his best posting has been highly "meh". His stances make no sense, and overall, he reads as being highly survivalistic, and also manipulative. However, I CAN see him as being town. Especially given my much stronger scumreads.
14. Rubicon
^Decent scumread, but near the bottom of my list. Rubicon's posting has all been awful. It's just been entirely anti-town, without a shred of pro-town thought. The closest he came to having pro-town content is the post where he basically called most of my suspects scum, and that's another reason I've doubted my scumread on him, since him being scum and me being right about others being scum would require him basically turbo-bussing. HOWEVER, his content since then has gone back to being lurking pieces of trash, not productive, and basically, not town.
15. ActionDan
^Though he was a minor scumread of mine, his claim apparently means he's town, soyeah.
16. Vezokpiraka
^Even without the claim, he was a strong townread. With it, he's conftown.
17. BBMolla
^Identical to Vezok, albeit slightly weaker on both accounts. BBMolla is town.
18. Pidgey
^Nulltown. Pidgey's posting has seemed town at points, but it's entirely lacking, overall, and he has a lot of bad interactions.
19. AngryPidgeon
^Frustratingly, town. This is a town-AP, through-and-through.
20. dopog
^Also town. I've REALLY liked dopog's posting this game. It's unique, it's original, it strongly looks like town forming their own opinion and analyzing things, rather than scum trying to manipulate.
21. Nero Cain
^Though he's gone V/LA, the content Nero's posted has seemed solidly town. So, overall a decent townread, albeit not a strong one. When he returns, I'm fully confident he'll obvtown up in his own unique way.
22. Zdenek
^Among my strongest townreads. Zdenek's posting this game has been right on the money. His thoughts are easy to follow and raise REALLY good points, a lot of which I've agreed with. And even the ones I didn't, I could understand where he came from. He's strongly analyzing things and trying to figure them out, working with others, rather than manipulating them. Bluntly, the only concern I could have about him is that I don't remember a town him having been this competent. That a "too townie to be town" fallacy is literally the only way he's not town should give you a good idea of just how strongly town he is.
In post 1874, AngryPidgeon wrote:You know damn well it would be silly to never switch up your scumgame. I think you distancing from a buddy or 2 is not so fucking bizarre/unexpected that Im dumb for suspecting it.
In
principle
, yes. But you're ignoring literally everything else (AMONG THEM CONTEXT AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES) in order to push that. Theoretically, sure. In practice, heck no, and you should dang-well know it.
She could still be town and you scum if I AM wrong about thw 2 of you, so?
BUT WHY NOT THE OTHER WAY? Why can't I be town and her, scum?
You haven't posted anything outrageously town.
LIKE HELL I HAVEN'T. It's right there in front of you. YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT.
It's right there. That town. YOU'RE NOT SEEING IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T
WANT
TO SEE IT.
Alternatively, look at our similar reads. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY'RE SO SIMILAR? Because I'm scum buddying you? FUCK no. You KNOW better than that. You know me, and that I wouldn't do that. (That's for when we're both scum. ) THE. STARS. HAD. ALIGNED. WITH. YOU. AND. I. And you're refusing to listen to their signs.
In post 1889, mastin2 wrote:3. Sekai no Ki (Fferyllt/Pieguyn Hydra)
^Scum, through-and-through. I've been pounding this one in, but the simplest way of saying it is that their entire posting has zero scumhunting in it, and is entirely focused on manipulating things. They're survivalistic and using basically every trick in the scumbag's handbook.
For chrissake Mastin. How you can call me survivalistic given the crap that YOU are pulling is beyond me. All the way down to telling me to vote myself and destroy some of the usefulness of my wagon no matter what my alignment. You advise players not to do that even as scum in your MD threads but here you are adding it to your crap scumcase in an actual game.
You're going to be a while regaining the respect you're squandering in this game.
You ought to know by now that I townhunt and POE more than I scumhunt, especially on day 1. It gets masked somewhat when hydraing, but that's my approach unless something odd catches my eye.
You have definitely caught my eye. I want to put my vote back on you right here and right now for this utter crap of a read. Your appeals to AP to open his eyes when your read of me is so incredibly bad boggles my mind. The hypocrisy is so far beyond what I'd put past you as scum that I don't even know what to think anymore.
Yeah ok it was down the list of mental priorities of mine for when I made my next post.
Anyway response is: person who posts infrequently but when they do their posts are in large spurts and hit very strong opinions. As in "nope x is town" - absolutes, with a few explanations and additions here and there. I don't even know if it was a serious question or not but I don't even care anymore.
Actually what the heck I'm a bit miffed at this 1699..... I mean if you were town thinking I was scum I feel as if you would push me. You'd say something about it. Anything outside of just "you forgot". Come on PV. I don't know if I'm content with him around. Because his @L-2/L-1 [whatever it was] post is just a wash to me. I guess the read weakens a bit but it's hard for me to sit ok with this. And it sux because I feel like it's not happening. It isn't happening
In post 1504, Zdenek wrote:My current list of people who are likely scum are almost all people who are going to be nigh on impossible to lynch today, which is rather depressing.
Who?
Pidgey, RC, SnK.
SCBK3 doesn't look great, but idk.
In post 1511, mastin2 wrote:The fact that GiF sheeps the person he was previously scumreading should itself be a warning sign.
I think this is a good point.
The thing is.... he was kinda sheeping his idk scumread SC3. And attacking people on the wagon for similar reasons and for outside reasons. I mean sure I'm fine with this kinda stuff after, or even during the wagon if it has a context within your thoughts on the person you're voting (i.e. pv), the wagon, and the gamestate, but he's just taking potshots at people on the wagon yet still voting on it, with seemingly same confidence, and not entertaining bussing or partnering like he had been doing for heaps of the game. Actually this post v is just a couple before he gives aegor crap for his vote (and don't tell me thiat he wasn't giving aegor crap for his vote);
Me too, but I can't get anyone over there, so wagon a-hoy!
So the confidence is there but I just don't see where that simultaneous confidence in wagon / continual vote on PV and chucking stuff at the wagoners in the way he does comes from.
@AP: The reason redcoyote has been scummy but still up in the air/somewhat less mentioned (i've definitely mentioned him multiple times, don't remember where) is because zdenek posts something like this every couple pages
You are all encouraged to wagon the scum RedCoyote.
Is Zdenek really gonna do that? Is he? I mean I can be wrong on Zd but uhh I think I want to convince myself he's bussing but it's seeming a little bit inconceivable. Because yeah on their own I think they're both scum.
Gonna eat, after if I'm up for it comes some more bye
In post 1889, mastin2 wrote:3. Sekai no Ki (Fferyllt/Pieguyn Hydra)
^Scum, through-and-through. I've been pounding this one in, but the simplest way of saying it is that their entire posting has zero scumhunting in it, and is entirely focused on manipulating things. They're survivalistic and using basically every trick in the scumbag's handbook.
For chrissake Mastin. How you can call me survivalistic given the crap that YOU are pulling is beyond me. All the way down to telling me to vote myself and destroy some of the usefulness of my wagon no matter what my alignment. You advise players not to do that even as scum in your MD threads but here you are adding it to your crap scumcase in an actual game.
You're going to be a while regaining the respect you're squandering in this game.
You ought to know by now that I townhunt and POE more than I scumhunt, especially on day 1. It gets masked somewhat when hydraing, but that's my approach unless something odd catches my eye.
You have definitely caught my eye. I want to put my vote back on you right here and right now for this utter crap of a read. Your appeals to AP to open his eyes when your read of me is so incredibly bad boggles my mind. The hypocrisy is so far beyond what I'd put past you as scum that I don't even know what to think anymore.
If you're both actually town then town is fucked.
actually, that post is the best thing mastin has posted so far. he has me as scum but i am glad i get town vibes from him... i guess i dont get your reaction. I mean so what if mastin has you as scum, he has been trolling all game, no one is following him.
if you are town i feel like you should walk away from that post with a "hmm, glad i get some townvibes from him, that limits the field", instead you focus on his read on you...
Hi dopog, in case it wasn't clear from my wagons a-hoy post, I was voting PV because I wanted to wagon someone and didn't have great read on PV. When I ask someone a question, it's not me giving that person shit, it's me asking something; in this case, I question Aegor because I find it odd when people criticize votes on wagons that they support(ed) (unless of course its clear why their read has changed).
For the record, I think that the point on GiF is quite strong and there is no way I would ignore it.
Also, just to keep track of things, I now think SBC3 looks okay, and Majiffy looks bad since he's just been tunneling on town Vezok all the day and he said that town-Thor and town-Majiffy play alike somehow, but their play today has been quite distinct, so I don't really see how he could believe that.
) THE. STARS. HAD. ALIGNED. WITH. YOU. AND. I. And you're refusing to listen to their signs.
