Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[sekai no ki]

Cause ffery is either scum or being a complete derp this game.

Has 3 scumreads.

One of them is mastin. Dissolves mastin CW whilst QQing about mastin.

One of them is Thor. Wants to talk to Thor in order to resolve this one.

Dear god.

Don't hedge. Own your misread.

[AngryPidgeon]

How about you own up to the points I made in 1930 then?

Fair is fair.

[PeregrineV]

I had 34 posts in pages 1-63, and 9 posts in the last 14 pages. That's about one every 2 pages or so.

As for reads, they've evolved somewhat, but none of them are strong.

In summary, I disagree.

Oh, of course, because *number* of posts equates to the quality of posts.
^^^
Sarcasm

Which of those 34 was I not looking for scum?

Vote: RedCoyote

Don't see a sekai case, and most of her posts read town to me.

As for brain chomping?
Rubicon
Chessball
Alpacazard

But may also chomp Toog replacement. Toog was an early-expectation townread, and his replace out leaves a greater burden on his replacement.

I did meta research to clear Alpaca pretty hard. Please either disprove my research or pay better attention to the thread. I strongly oppose that choice.

Whether or not you see Sekai, as a counter wagon why do you oppose the chomping?
I suppose we should actually do a three way with those, because if say the counter wagon flips scum we shouldn't munch on the alternate wagon, but that's about the only logic I see to opposing it.

Would rather chomp scum or someone I think is scum. I do not think Sekai is scum.


Never saw where you did Alpacazard meta research. I saw this.

Walk me through your thoughts here.
I'll even buy you some breathing room so you can do it proper.

Unvote: Alpahazard

[sekai no ki]

Cause ffery is either scum or being a complete derp this game.

Has 3 scumreads.

Artifact of my style of play. I townhunt and PoE, especially on day 1 in large games, unless something catches my eye.

One of them is mastin. Dissolves mastin CW whilst QQing about mastin.

Angry as I am at Mastin, I can see some town in his reach-out to you. Also, I can't really explain it very well, but look at when and where DGB swoops in and pokes a stick in the spokes of a bandwagon. The wagons she's derailed or derided don't make sense from a scum perspective. The wagonned players don't make sense as a scum team. And the closer to deadline we get without a dominant wagon the more unpredictable the eventual dominant wagon becomes.

One of them is Thor. Wants to talk to Thor in order to resolve this one.

I said nothing about talking to Thor.

Dear god.

The problem with your case is that everything I've done has been the product of town motivation heavily laced with irritation at being tunneled by a couple players I really thought knew me well enough that a day 1 tunnel would never happen when I'm town. I could have easily avoided the confrontations that fed the tunnels, and would have done so as scum.

I don't even want to pull myself out of the fire here. I look ahead to more days of petty discrediting of every post I make, providing tons of distraction for scum and I don't see my presence in the game as a net benefit to town.

[AngryPidgeon]

Angry as I am at Mastin, I can see some town in his reach-out to you.

Except she would do that as either alignment. In fact reaching out to me is something I tend to associate with SCUM mastin more than town.

I said nothing about talking to Thor.

Also, before day closes, I hope to have a better grasp of Thor's posting. I'm offput by his focus on the town nks and the way he's trying to shape the three submissions, but there are other things he's posted that I feel are kinda towny. Some distance and review may change that read.

Ok whatever, same idea ^

The wagons she's derailed or derided don't make sense from a scum perspective.

Uhhhh, ok? She hasn't been at the forefront of swinging wagons around. Shes been showing up after the momentum is in place already and going with it. So IDK why you are seeing super town motivation here.

[mastin2]

mastin.

I will vote for the player you want me to vote for.

Just name that player.

Well, if I had my way? Sekai.
But my RC townread isn't strong at all. Can you present your reasoning on him? 'Cause he's basically nulltown to me at this point, and there's a lot of players I think are town supporting it, including you.

How you can call me survivalistic given the crap that YOU are pulling is beyond me.

Our posting is NOTHING alike. You've been survivalistic whole game. I'm not trying to survive; I'm trying to lynch scum. And so close to having a scum lynch, only to have it divert onto town?

So help me god if mastin doesnt vote RC in his next post I am going to slap someone.

Strongly considering it.

GiF and Sven do taint the wagon, though.

Like, almost everyone is a town read, which sure i mean statistically speaking i dont think she'd hive us half and half town and scum.

But like, its just words saying stuff but not really any context, like take a look at her SCB: "Also a decent townread. Though they haven't been posting as much as I'd prefer, and their content as of recently has been slightly lackluster, they're still a fairly decent townread, because their thoughts seem to be coming from a town player. Both of them have stances that are easy to see and relate to. Basically, just by extrapolating their posting, you can see that they're town; they've got a clear trajectory that is easily followed, and I can easily understand what gives them their reads."

Like ok, i can take that, but that's mostly everyone. There's nothing like, "i think you are scum because you did exactly this post saying this thing". Also the scum reads seem a little safe.

(Pidgey's town, though. This is a town line of thought, even if it's entirely wrong.)

Scum heap: RC, Chessball, mastin, sekai, gif, dopog, majiffy,

AP.
You're not townreading me. But you know why you're not townreading me? Logic, no. Gut? No. You're not townreading me not because you think I'm scum, but because you're not seeing town. And you know why you're not seeing town? Because you're refusing to see that town.

Seriously, AP. Sekai, GiF, and Majiffy are all in my scum pile. RC's such a weak townread that he could easily go there, too. The only players in my scum pile not in yours are Rubicon and Sven, both of which are my weakest scumreads anyway. WE. HAVE. ALMOST. THE. EXACT. SAME. READS. Yet you're calling me scum anyway. You know better than this. I know you do. What the hell's wrong with you?

Have people started stealth-town-reading Majiffy or is he just slipping through the cracks?

Slipping through the cracks. I'd suggest flashwagoning him, if, y'know, that wouldn't dissolve the wagons on sekai and RC.

[AngryPidgeon]

Seriously, AP. Sekai, GiF, and Majiffy are all in my scum pile. RC's such a weak townread that he could easily go there, too. The only players in my scum pile not in yours are Rubicon and Sven, both of which are my weakest scumreads anyway. WE. HAVE. ALMOST. THE. EXACT. SAME. READS. Yet you're calling me scum anyway. You know better than this. I know you do. What the hell's wrong with you?

Because your posting can quite easily come from scum this game. The last post is a prime example. Cheer lead some wagons half-heartedly, assert that you aren't playing to your scummeta, buddy up to me.

Its like scum-mastin to a T. And nothing you've posted is convincingly town at this point and you, like me, are one of the players that SHOULD necessarily be read by "town = town", "Meh = scum".

FWIW, I mstarting to suspect its GIF over ffery again. GIF is being fairly controlled/cautious. Ffery is...holy shit this game, but in a way that DOES feel slightly too blatant to be from scum.

[sekai no ki]

Angry as I am at Mastin, I can see some town in his reach-out to you.

Except she would do that as either alignment. In fact reaching out to me is something I tend to associate with SCUM mastin more than town.

I said nothing about talking to Thor.

Also, before day closes, I hope to have a better grasp of Thor's posting. I'm offput by his focus on the town nks and the way he's trying to shape the three submissions, but there are other things he's posted that I feel are kinda towny. Some distance and review may change that read.

Ok whatever, same idea ^

The wagons she's derailed or derided don't make sense from a scum perspective.

Uhhhh, ok? She hasn't been at the forefront of swinging wagons around. Shes been showing up after the momentum is in place already and going with it. So IDK why you are seeing super town motivation here.

She's been going against it, not with it.

The momentum changed with my unvote. I knew it would. I knew where the momentum would go next.

You (and mastin at times) have hypothesized a scum team based in part on my actions, which is why I think my flip will force a reset. Action Dan was scum PR because of associations with me. Mastin should have doubts if she's town because she knows game tempo and momentum. Her wagon might have faded eventually in the face of all the AtE, but it faded abruptly and very predictaably in my direction with my unvote. Very predicably. You cannot think I unvoted expecting anything else. So your choices here are suicidal scum or suicidal town. And the effect wincon has on behavior dictates which of those is more likely, especially on day 1.

The only way scum suicidal behavior makes sense is if she and I are both scum. And that is one thing I know for a fact to be wrong. And she knows it as well because either she's town or she's scum and knows I'm not. Your stance at least makes more sense than hers does if she's town.

[Aegor]

Can we please end this day already?

[AngryPidgeon]

You (and mastin at times) have hypothesized a scum team based in part on my actions, which is why I think my flip will force a reset.

Nope. Not really going to change my reads much. Will suspect GIF even more probably will be the only difference. Mastin as well. I'm not pretending my reads are LOLAMAZING this game and have hinted as much throughout the game. You flipping town will just make me and keep shoving the people in my scumheap.

[AngryPidgeon]

FWIW, I think Majiffy is my singular strongest scumread. But I'll be damned if I start another wagon Today.

[sekai no ki]

If you ignore every other read I've put forth, don't ignore my GiF read. We've been undeclared in-thread masons.

[sekai no ki]

Actually, I agree with you about Majiffy. I'd look pretty carefully there tomorrow.

[AngryPidgeon]

Can we lynch RC today?

[Venmar]

Votecount 1.17

[0] Majiffy:

[0] LeMidget:

[5]

Sekai No Ki:

Mastin2, Bulbazak, Vezokpiraka, Thor665, Aegor

[0] SweatingChessBall3:

[2]

PeregrineV:

dopog, RedCoyote

[6]

RedCoyote:

Zdenek, BBMolla, Svenskt Stal, AngryPidgeon, GuyInFreezer, PeregrineV

[4]

Mastin2:

Nero Cain, Majiffy, ActionDan, Rubicon

[1]

Alpazard:

LeMidget

[0] Aegor:

[0] GuyInFreezer:

[0] Bulbazak:

[0] Thor665:

[0] Svenskt Stål:

[0] Rubicon:

[1]

ActionDan:

Alpazard

[1]

Vezokpiraka:

Pidgey

[0] BBMolla:

[0] Pidgey:

[0] AngryPidgeon:

[0] Dopog:

[1]

Nero Cain:

SweatingChessball3

[0] Zdenek:

Not Voting (1):

• sekai no ki

Deadline:

• Monday, March 10th, 2014

Mod Notes:

• With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.
  
• Nero Cain is
  V/LA
  until March 7th (Friday) or so.

Deadline is in three days!

[Aegor]

@AP:

VOTE: RC

[Aegor]

So yes, we can.

[mastin2]

Because your posting can quite easily come from scum this game.

WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE. Can, yes. CAN.

Can

. It

COULD

come from scum.
NOT DOES.

Of course my posting could come from scum. You're AP. You should have that paranoia of me. I know you, you know me, I expected as much. That's the problem, though. "Could" be scum normally means just that--paranoia of me. But in this game. For whatever reason. "Could be scum" doesn't mean "town, buuuuuut", it means "scumread". That's not "could be scum". That's "cooooooooooooooould be town...".

Cheer lead some wagons half-heartedly, assert that you aren't playing to your scummeta, buddy up to me.

Bluntly? The only reason I'm not paranoid of you by now is your softclaim. I read you as town for your entrance. I read you as town for your initial stance on me. I read you as town for your reversal of me into not-scumread, but your flip back into having me as super-scum made absolutely no dang sense and is a signature of a scum-you. I can see the town especially given the way you softclaimed. (I caught the softclaim before you had actually softclaimed, for the record. You might be subtle to others, but not to me.) But your play here makes no sense.

As for half-hearted pushes, that's true because my read is half-hearted on RC. And you know DANG good and well asserting I'm not playing to my scum meta isn't a scumtell from me.

And nothing you've posted is convincingly town at this point.

WHAT. GAME. ARE. YOU. READING. It's not this one, I can tell you that. Because all the town stuff is

right there, in front of your eyes

. And you're discarding it. My point wasn't that you were going "meh = scum". My point was that you were going "meh" when you have EVERY reason NOT to be.

Bulbazak:

What's your read of RC?
Same question for Vezok and Thor.

[Bulbazak]

Have people started stealth-town-reading Majiffy or is he just slipping through the cracks?

I think a Majiffy lynch or vig would be harder to get at this point than a Sekai one.

Bulbazak:

What's your read of RC?

I was reading him a town for his wall posts, but I wish that he would post more and be more involved. It's not as strong as it used to be, I'll tell you that. I'm not sure if I want him dead yet, though.

I'm also starting to waffle on my Sekai read again. Every time Ffery posts, I just want to read her as town. But then Pieguy will come along, and that scumread will solidify again. Do you have any experience with Pieguy as town or scum? Do you think that may be why Ffery is doing all the posting recently and Pieguy has disappeared? I really need some help reading the Pieguy head, because I really don't want to lynch Ffery if she's actually town.

[SweatingChessball3]

But my RC townread isn't strong at all. Can you present your reasoning on him? 'Cause he's basically nulltown to me at this point, and there's a lot of players I think are town supporting it, including you.

Mostly that this being RC, I should have a strong town read on him by now. He hasn't done or said much.

In other news.

Since the zombie horde is intent on killing me tonight, why don't you guys grab your balls and just lynch me. I'm vanilla. I'm expendable.

I'm not into mafia as much as I used to be, so this stupidity about sending me the horde at night instead of actually lynching me is stupid beyond words.

Just do it already. You'll see that I'm town, THEN PLEASE SEND THE HORDE AFTER THE PLAYERS THAT WERE LOBBYING TO SEND THE HORDE ON ME.

[PeregrineV]

WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE. Can, yes. CAN. Can. It COULD come from scum.
NOT DOES.

Of course my posting could come from scum. You're AP. You should have that paranoia of me. I know you, you know me, I expected as much. That's the problem, though. "Could" be scum normally means just that--paranoia of me. But in this game. For whatever reason. "Could be scum" doesn't mean "town, buuuuuut", it means "scumread". That's not "could be scum". That's "cooooooooooooooould be town...".

He is saying that he does not find your posts as if they were coming from a town player. He may be using different words, but that's what they mean.

Why are you arguing semantics?

[PeregrineV]

You're not townreading me. But you know why you're not townreading me? Logic, no. Gut? No. You're not townreading me not because you think I'm scum, but because you're not seeing town. And you know why you're not seeing town? Because you're refusing to see that town.

[AngryPidgeon]

Everybody talking about bullshit and not voting RC is dead to me.

[DrippingGoofball]

Everybody talking about bullshit and not voting RC is dead to me.

I'm trying to draw the lynch since I'll be dead by tomorrow morning anyway.

Can we just settle for that?

[SweatingChessball3]

Everybody talking about bullshit and not voting RC is dead to me.

I'm trying to draw the lynch since I'll be dead by tomorrow morning anyway.

Can we just settle for that?

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