Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[Thor665]

There's a reason I only ever sign up for one large at a time.
You should clearly sign up for zero.

Your 4-6 hours of catching up would be a lot less difficult if you'd tossed in an extra 12 minutes a day since game start you'd have maybe 1-3 hours.
I will agree with you that people post too much, and, specifically, spam too much.
But you knew that coming in.

Are you voting Action Dan right now?
You better be.

[Majiffy]

How about a most current update to your reads list?

Town
{Le Midget, Alpa, Thor, Sven, Rubi, Molla, AP, Dopog, Zdenek}
Scum
{Sekai, SCB, Mastin, Aegor, Vezok, Pidgey}

Still sitting uncomfortably null on PV, RC, GIF, AD and NC.
Sitting really uncomfortably (read: extreme back-and-forth) on Bulba.

Oh and Majiffy is still hasn't explained his read on Thor.

Well aren't you the observant one.

I think you were tunneling a bit on Vezok to try to make a wagon happen. That's not scummy on its own, but a lot of players disagreed with you and tried to explain why they thought there could be town motivation behind vezok's position, and instead of engaging with them to try to work out why they thought so, you kind of brushed them off and/or insulted them. What was your thought process there? Now that vezok is probably town, do your other reads change?

My thought process was lynch Vezok.

I still don't think he's town, I don't like the claim, my reads haven't changed.

GOD MY FUCKING HEAD

I got a hangover

Me too.

[RedCoyote]

This theme was simply too inciting, otherwise I wouldn't have.

I don't mind catching up. Again, I will get it done slowly but surely, but I'm not going to bother if I have no future in the game given that I've provided enough content to satisfy my own townie conscience. Please read this as matter-of-factly as possible. I want to stick around, but this isn't intended to be manipulative.

Additionally, the mastin wagon is larger than the AD wagon, Thor. It doesn't appear that even you're voting AD according to the last VC and your posts since.

[Rubicon]

Have you thought about this aspect of the players you're choosing and do you disagree with ^ this assessment?

There's a difference between being better later in the game (most players are...in fact, I don't think I can name a player who isn't...maybe AP in full WIFOM paranoia mode...? Meh) and being feth useless.

You guys are being feth useless.

make sense?

...uh, no. Way to completely side-step my point? (And to continue calling me useless AND pushing to get me killed even after I catch up, post a wall explaining my thoughts, and start trying to get involved in the conversation... you know, all the things you wanted me dead for not doing.)

Do you or do you not acknowledge that Large Theme Day 1's move too fast for a lot of players to keep up with?

Do you or do you not acknowledge that this doesn't mean a person isn't a good player or won't make valuable contributions to the game later?

[Rubicon]

There's a reason I only ever sign up for one large at a time.
You should clearly sign up for zero.

Your 4-6 hours of catching up would be a lot less difficult if you'd tossed in an extra 12 minutes a day since game start you'd have maybe 1-3 hours.

-.-

Do you realize how irritating this is?

[Rubicon]

What's weird is I was thinking yesterday that the horde mechanic was a pretty good way to push players into being more active and discourage lurking, and that you putting me on the list was a decent strategy to pressure me into doing something. But then I take an afternoon of my life yesterday to read 50 fucking game pages and post a catch-up and you... continue calling me useless.

[Rubicon]

I mean, hell, why don't we just put Nero Cain on the list and call it a day. That motherfucker thinks he can get away with being V/LA. Actually having real life obligations that keep him from being active for a while??

Not on my fucking watch,

Nero. Sure, he'll be coming back from V/LA soon. Sure, he's bound to be more active later. But none of that matters because he wasn't able to be "useful" D1, so fuck him, I hope he dies.

[Rubicon]

My thought process was lynch Vezok.

I still don't think he's town, I don't like the claim, my reads haven't changed.

Do you think he's lying about his role or what?

[Majiffy]

To be fair, even a caught-up Nero is still useless.

[Majiffy]

My thought process was lynch Vezok.

I still don't think he's town, I don't like the claim, my reads haven't changed.

Do you think he's lying about his role or what?

Do you always ask stupid questions?

[Rubicon]

It's a yes/no question, and it has a point. Please answer it, thanks.

[RedCoyote]

Thor is a cold SOB, Rubicon, that's for sure. I respect that though, because he treats everyone that way for the most part.

[Majiffy]

It's a yes/no question, and it has a point. Please answer it, thanks.

No, I don't believe the claim. Which is ruddy self-evident.

[Rubicon]

How do you think he knew the role was in the game so he could lie about it?

[RedCoyote]

How do you think he knew the role was in the game so he could lie about it?

You do understand the concept of fakeclaiming, right?

(Note: I think vez's claim is reasonable at the moment and would not support his lynch today.)

[Majiffy]

A boomer? It doesn't take long to look up zombies in a well-known zombie game, if he hasn't played it.

And furthermore, I wouldn't expect AP to leave scum fakeclaims out.

Any other ridiculously stupid questions you'd like to ask?

[pidgey]

Ugh

My fucking post was erased i thought i had posted it

But basically red coyote had a lot of my early reads for similar reasons so that's why I'd think he is town. I concur that his end day has been weak but that can be for multiple reasons. I won't really be super sad but i'd expect him to be town at this point.

[pidgey]

Seriously Majiffy is fkn scum look at that scum list lol

[pidgey]

vote Majjify

yolo

[Rubicon]

A boomer? It doesn't take long to look up zombies in a well-known zombie game, if he hasn't played it.

And furthermore, I wouldn't expect AP to leave scum fakeclaims out.

Any other ridiculously stupid questions you'd like to ask?

Do you think scum were given fake claims that include actual powers, that are actually in the game?

Because the power Vezok is claiming is definitely a real power. At least one other player crumbed the role early on, others seem to be hinting they have it, etc.

[Majiffy]

I know you're troubled that I've nailed your entire team but you're just going to have to settle for NKing me Pidgey.

[Majiffy]

Do you think scum were given fake claims that include actual powers, that are actually in the game?

Because the power Vezok is claiming is definitely a real power. At least one other player crumbed the role early on, others seem to be hinting they have it, etc.

If AP gave out fakeclaims that correspond to town roles, I'd expect all the powers to match. Otherwise the fakeclaim itself would serve as a scumclaim.

[pidgey]

Do you think scum were given fake claims that include actual powers, that are actually in the game?

Because the power Vezok is claiming is definitely a real power. At least one other player crumbed the role early on, others seem to be hinting they have it, etc.

If AP gave out fakeclaims that correspond to town roles, I'd expect all the powers to match. Otherwise the fakeclaim itself would serve as a scumclaim.

I didnt knew AP modded and palyed what a playah of life.

[Majiffy]

Sorry AP's modding another game I'm in.

Venmar.

[Thor665]

Additionally, the mastin wagon is larger than the AD wagon, Thor. It doesn't appear that even you're voting AD according to the last VC and your posts since.

Do you think the Mastin wagon actually holds water?

...uh, no. Way to completely side-step my point? (And to continue calling me useless AND pushing to get me killed even after I catch up, post a wall explaining my thoughts, and start trying to get involved in the conversation... you know, all the things you wanted me dead for not doing.)

Do you or do you not acknowledge that Large Theme Day 1's move too fast for a lot of players to keep up with?

Do you or do you not acknowledge that this doesn't mean a person isn't a good player or won't make valuable contributions to the game later?

1. Yes, I agree you have attempted to step up your presence as I have made noise about you on the death list.
2. I think they move slow while being clogged with pages and pages very quickly - I don't think this comes as a shock to anyone, I knew when i signed up that it was going to happen.
3. I don't see what this has to do with anything, but yes, i agree with you that players will be more helpful late game than early game. I said this already. Oddly though, some players are able to "do anything at all" during early game too - they rarely end up on Vig lists. Pretty odd, I know.

-.-

Do you realize how irritating this is?

Is it more or less irritating than people voluntarily signing up for a time commitment to a game and then not participating when the entire concept of the game is to gauge and read people?

Thor is a cold SOB, Rubicon, that's for sure. I respect that though, because he treats everyone that way for the most part.

I am theoretically fairly jovial, that was my early meta. I've just become less willing to excuse people for their failings.
Also, quite frankly, people are whining that they're on the death list for not participating...which, really shouldn't come as a shock to them. And the argument "but I'll eventually become useful at some indeterminant point in the future" just begs the question "then why aren't you being useful right now"
Like you, you're going to catch up? Really? Then why aren't you caught up now. It's silly, and it's not worth my time to consider as a reason to not put you on a vig list.
That's half the ruddy point of a vig list.
And I'd like to think any town players doing what you and Rubicon are doing understand that what you're doing is pro-scum, and thus why you belong on said list.

But basically red coyote had a lot of my early reads for similar reasons so that's why I'd think he is town. I concur that his end day has been weak but that can be for multiple reasons. I won't really be super sad but i'd expect him to be town at this point.

I have to say, that sounds like reasonable grounds for having him on the list rather than off it.