The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[Triforce]

EBWOP: Gamma. Phoneposting.

[Triforce]

Also apparently I claimed D2 in McD b/c I'd caught scum D1 and there was a missing kill that I was p sure was on me. Memory.

[Fate]

but once you can just win with the scum... you do.... that show survivor works


But I still don't believe that claim for shit so its a pointless argument

[Triforce]

Don't suck at mafia and that won't be an issue.


Lynch eaglekit and UT and ride the gravy train to victory.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Oh. Also, I buy Triforce's survivor claim--the annoyance sells it. And I guess some hydra dissonance over Tammy's Eaglekit town read--I admittedly don't know either Mala or Desp as well as she does, but I think she's really overthinking it.

And I found it weird that they switched between finding mollie town again after Tammy called her towh and then suspecting her again without missing a beat.

that's pretty amazing considering it never happened

I think she's referring to when you responded to me telling you that you were killing me because I had just read mollie as town when you started calling her scum and you said that the posts on that page looked better. She probably took that as you town reading her at that point because you dropped off and left the thread after that.

[Untrod Tripod]

^scumclaim

[Untrod Tripod]

I'm gonna let it slide because we're buddied up and everything

but come on

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

So you sympathize with my paranoia but then reread to make sure. Right ok. Ignoring you until near the end of day. Go away until I decide if that's fake stupid or just you making no sense whatsoever.

Okay, it's obvious you're genuinely annoyed, so I'll leave you alone.

So, why didn't you assume Tammy was OBVTOWN, isn't that her whole meta as town? Instead you were...just sympathetic? Kay.

Um are you reading our posts? Because she quite literally already answered this:

I

I can sympathize with you being paranoid of

me

. For one thing, notwithstanding the colour thing (which I was evasive about), I haven't actually done anything this game, and I could have totally faked what I

have

done. And my memory of Tammy's most recent posts was that they were somewhat trollish and fluffy, since she was a goofy mood, so I could maybe buy a scumread. But then I ISO'd myself to see your PoV, and was confused by why you of all people didn't pick up on certain signs in Tammy's posts. (On a side note, am I the only one who ISOs myself? Am I just really self-absorbed?) You have the right to question us, but I wanted to know where your read was coming from and how sincere/organic it was, particularly when you were one of the first to declare us town, had us in your top town tier, and crowed about your 100% Tammy reading accuracy.

Also, if you really think about it, me doing nothing in a Tammy hydra should make you less paranoid! Just take a deep breath, relax, and realize that it doesn't matter at all this game that I could hypothetically play you like a fiddle if I were scum. ^_^

Oh wait you had to read that part because it's just under the part that you quoted. IN CASE that wasn't clear. Mina feels like she's been somewhat scummy because she hasn't gotten into the game yet because as she said before she's been lazy and let me take the lead mostly. Oh my gosh she's self-aware, must be a scum tell, killitdead...or you know it's just Mina. Like I don't get any of this post because none of it makes sense coming from someone who knows either of us.

And she didn't assume that I was obvtown, partly because last night I was being somewhat trollish because I was in a silly mood, which is a bit of a town tell for me just so you know. (She also thinks my reading people as town is silly, but I think she has no soul because it's a slam dunk town tell I mean have you ever played with me?) Also also, most of my messages to her on skype are me apologizing for being a terrible hydra partner this week and promising that when the weekend comes I'll be better.

Oh, what's your (slot or otherwise) READ ON ME. Plz don't waffle just give me an answer xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox because my alignment is definitely not obvious at all but even so your whole post just now spoke to me like I was town which is strange even if I was hypothetically TOWN AS FUCK (which I totally am definitely not obviously town)

This is like the laziest tell anyone uses. (See I can use that word too!) Town talk to other people like they're town all the time even people they suspect. Imagine that! Also, her being polite and recognizing that she might just be annoying you isn't strange.

I'd say considering that in my reads list in Post 568 I called you town, though not with the same confidence I had in the game a couple weeks ago, and that Mina talked about her town read on you (you should remember that one you were all oh why'd you call me town specifically. Also, why is it weird that you would be someone we'd want to sort first? Seems an odd question) that we're prrrrrrrrrrobably reading you as town. Not sure though you can check back later!

Mina has had some faranoia of you here and there but thinks it's unwarranted due to some of your actions not making sense from a faraday!scum game.

(Also tammy's scumhunting has looked lazy and half hearted most of the time?)

No it hasn't. The only only thing you can say is that I'm not being really active and that's even stretching it a bit as I feel like I've been pretty active even with all the things I was juggling this week and the other commitments I've had. That and there are a lot of big personalities in this game who are clashing at the moment, and when it's like this, this is how I play. I'm still trying to figure out what I think about mollie because I don't think she looks as town as everyone else does, but it's not something that I want to get into because i don't know how much it's based on confirmation bias of an early scum read or the fact that whenever she does mention me it's to say again that I was deliberately mean and catty when how the fuck anyone can think that because I was scumreading her literally drives me out of my mind ESPECIALLY when you take into account the fact that twice she's expressed that I shouldn't be here and is the one to literally personally attack me. And no, I'm not completely still over that, maybe I would be but since she doesn't drop it and keeps on with the "Tammy's mean!" shtick. I'd say the fact that I'm stepping back and not letting her bait me again is pretty damn awesome of me and not lazy and not half hearted, and I mean i guess that's somewhat negated by something I said last night and this here but hey Mina gets to listen to me complain about it why not you too!

Oh, that secret scumread. Wasn't a him. Plz start squirming tamina!!! (Dw,there's like your whole buddies to lynch in a row first anyway?)

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

How does it feel to be

WRONG???

There's nothing to squirm about because we're town and quite frankly I'm surprised you don't see it. Maybe other people wouldn't see it but you know your 100% ability to read me correctly kinda takes a hit when you don't see what makes me obviously town here.

But gosh I expect a lovely tunnel to come and won't that be fun. It's been awhile since that happened. Do you have your wife beaters ready?

Or you know you could skip all that nonsense, read me correctly, and then have all the fun!

Oh. Yeah. Why ARE you guys voting ActionDan?

Because as I said in my reads list you apparently didn't read, he was one of the people I had scum reads on and wouldn't mind wagoning. I think Dan is hard to read, but I've developed a couple markers that I think denote when he's town and he hasn't done any of those yet. Also, posts that say nothing but beep boop don't inspire me to think they're town when they're doing literally nothing else.

Gosh this was a fun chat, I look forward to more posts about you telling me I'm the scum I'm not.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

I'm gonna let it slide because we're buddied up and everything

but come on

yay! we're town buddies though...you'll see the town part eventually.

Also there was nothing wrong with that post. I don't agree with Mina, and I think she made an assumption, but I can see where she was going with it.

[Eleven]

And she didn't assume that I was obvtown,

Yes, that is indeed curious.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

And she didn't assume that I was obvtown,

Yes, that is indeed curious.

I"m not going to talk to you if you insist on annoying me. And I'm not going to let you troll me into screaming like a lunatic.

But is it too mcuh to fucking ask that you read the entirety of sentences. If I'm going oh I'm sorry, I'm sucking as a hydra partner I'll get to this game at the end of the week, then why would she automatically assume that.

Like can you read the entier thing?

And stop annoyin gme please!

[Eleven]

But is it too mcuh to fucking ask

Ask what?


I think eaglekit is probably scum, now. I don't really like desp's narrow focus, I don't really know how that impacts mollie's alignment but he doesn't seem to particularly care about his wagon, he's just parking his vote there sort of lazily atm.


Oh, was also thinking survivor might be less likely (or third party in general) given the red/black and there not like, being a third colour of card but I've no idea how that was handled f2f so it's whatever.

Still want Action Man dead though. I mean, his lynch is just a gimme at this stage.

[Cheery Dog]

I think

UT is stoking the flames and adding a new layer of Stuff To Fear.

unvote

for now

no, I want to not be the only person who realized that they claimed cult

there's literally no good reason to leave that slot alive other than liking the people posting from that account

How about because they're obviously not a cult? (and if we're leaving slots alive because we like people, why are we lynching anyone?)

NOTES FOR THIS GAME SPECIFICALLY

1. Your alignment will not change over the course of this game.

Anyway I feel the need to go with this
VOTE: Waffles
There's too much sappiness between the two heads.

[Untrod Tripod]

oh hey rules

thanks cheery

they're still not town

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

But is it too mcuh to fucking ask

Ask what?


I think eaglekit is probably scum, now. I don't really like desp's narrow focus, I don't really know how that impacts mollie's alignment but he doesn't seem to particularly care about his wagon, he's just parking his vote there sort of lazily atm.


Oh, was also thinking survivor might be less likely (or third party in general) given the red/black and there not like, being a third colour of card but I've no idea how that was handled f2f so it's whatever.

Still want Action Man dead though. I mean, his lynch is just a gimme at this stage.

*shakes fist*

I'm not particularly concerned about that right now. I looked at a few of desperado's games earlier, and while he was more engaged in most of them, he was more engaged in his games as scum as well. He's got a pretty decent scum game, so I don't think the narrow focus is necessarily a product of alignment. I do *think* that sometimes he has a slow start in large games. I still think those string of posts the other night look town from him. The eagerness of pushing mollie sounded like he thought he had something and was going after it. It's unlike how I've seen him as scum in a couple games. Hopefully he'll start being more engaged or mala will get better and catch up and make that more readable, but I still think town. Although Mina will probably agree with you though; she doesn't really like my town read there.

I have no idea about the survivor role stuff. Mina will have to talk to you about that.

~~~~~

Oh look one of my suspects is voting me. How quaint.

We're still town UT. That's not going to change.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Oh I forgot, Gammas recent posting sounds more townish and Triforce sounds town-minded if not explicitly town.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Tammy, I'm not going to log into Skype right now because then I'll never wind up doing my running, but I'm pretty sure UT was talking about Triforce. And yes, that was exactly what I meant about Eaglekit's posts--he comes in continuing to push mollie's lynch, we say that we're actually finding her town now, and he says, "Uh, yeah, mollie's posts got better on this page" (implying that his scumread on her has weakened--I did agree with him that the "bitch" post was roughly the dividing line between scummy-mollie and townie-mollie). It's pretty obvious that he's agreeing that she's

less

suspicious. But then he comes back and seems to be merrily scumreading mollie again without reflection. Eagle, what changed? And I still think outright

townreading

Eagle in this game based on his mollie stance--or anything he's done this game--takes too much mental gymnastics.

That was an interesting vote, Cheery Dog. (Eleven, you should totally join the wagon!) Define "sappiness." Why do you think it's a scumtell?

Still want Action Man dead though. I mean, his lynch is just a gimme at this stage.

Is it because he's lurking, because we're obviously bussing him, or because of a deeper reason?

(Also, Tammy responded to your posts better than I could have. But I thought you getting that pissed off at me for discrediting your questioning of us was a towntell. And why is it that shocking that I didn't realize she was "obvtown Tammy" until I reread? I wasn't all that caught up with the game, I knew she was too busy to post really actively, and her most recent posts were calling UT town for

making a joke

and posting trolly reaction GIFs. Then I saw the full picture and was paranoid that none of this registered for you. In particular, I think her

conviction

that our slot was town should have been a clue. Your reasons weren't as silly as UT's, but I still feel like you should have known better.)

[Eleven]

Is it because he's lurking, because we're obviously bussing him, or because of a deeper reason?

[Eleven]

(I asked kittymo for 2 numbers and that helped choose the smiley, in case you're wondering)

It's because he's scum, duh.

PSA: PLEASE do not tell me how to vote. It's REALLY not PRO TOWN. TY!!!!!

[Iecerint]

Something I noticed based on the rules:

NOTES FOR THIS GAME SPECIFICALLY

1. Your alignment will not change over the course of this game.
2.

Anti-town factions will be given relevant fake roles and flavor.

3. Sample VT role PM

Bold added. I think this makes it very unlikely that Triforce is scum because TriforceScum probably has a town fakeclaim.. It is possible that Triforce is actually a relatively anti-town 3rd party, but it is not likely that they are scum.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Actually, I like Tammy's new and improved reasons for liking Desp better than the "he wouldn't attack mollie" thing.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Oh. Also, UT's AIDS infector theory fits pretty well. (A win condition of making everyone wear green shirts fits more than Shea randomly being a survivor.) So yeah, they're probably lying through their teeth about aspects of their role, and possibly the doc protection part, too. No idea if AIDS-infector type roles win independently or along with a faction. Lynch wagons on a claimed ambiguous third-party just feel lazy, though.

(I could see black = scum, red = town, green(?) = third party, so it's not completely impossible.)

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Ahem. I already had town read on UT. I said if I didn't already think he was town, I'd think he was town for making me laugh.

Funny people are town. I don't understand why people have a problem with this.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Counterexample: mentat.

</split personality disorder>

Something I noticed based on the rules:

NOTES FOR THIS GAME SPECIFICALLY

1. Your alignment will not change over the course of this game.
2.

Anti-town factions will be given relevant fake roles and flavor.

3. Sample VT role PM

Bold added. I think this makes it very unlikely that Triforce is scum because TriforceScum probably has a town fakeclaim.. It is possible that Triforce is actually a relatively anti-town 3rd party, but it is not likely that they are scum.

Eh. I think that means stuff like Mafia Trackers having Town Tracker fakeclaim. Triforce could be a Mafia goon with a VT fakeclaim who invented this themselves. I still think it's much more likely they're an AIDS-infector variant, though.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

I 100% do?

flavored doctor sounds plausible on its own, why even bother with the survivor part? it's needlessly complex (aka likely the truth).

This is actually a good point.

I think

UT is stoking the flames and adding a new layer of Stuff To Fear.

unvote

for now

Hey, Nuwen, can you just come out and say, "I am scumreading UT," rather than throw around this kind of soft shit?