The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[PeregrineV]

Monday check-in, will catchup later.

[SpyreX]

Yeah, except I'm not the one who said you're scum for being a non-entity.

And i've been saying that for.. forever? So why now is it a total effrontery? Why not when I said I'd shoot you in the face dead D1 if I could?

Spyrex, what did you learn from the vca?

Nothing definitive. The TIP wagon early bothers me but individually Tierce and CES feel towner than not (although CES is confusing the shit out of me today). Its there to look at in conjunction with other things.

Sirdankill implies either that scum made a mistake and/or had some weird motive. You can't imagine a busy SpyreX defaulting to sirdan who he said Majiffy had an innocent on?

Sirdan would have been literally the last person I would have killed in this game. So, unless you think I got pushed over there's no way regardless of how busy I am I would have been ok with that.

With the pushover talk though there's something that baffles the shit out of me: especially with being wrong on Esp how the hell come I'm not seeing more Tierce & SpyreX scum 4 lyfe talk? Or another rousing Tierce wagon?

[ActionDan]

Sirdan would have been literally the last person I would have killed in this game

well he would have voted tierce or you today + people who are actually town (i.e. me) townread him.

So he's actually a really good NK for you

[PeregrineV]

Or another rousing Tierce wagon?

Because at this point I'd expect your Town-brain to kick in and you to vote Tierce.

The fact you haven't done so is disappointing.

[PeregrineV]

I have to say that the kills look so dumb that im considerong a superpro scumteam. Tierce-ces scumteam, mark my words for endgame

Then you should vote Tierce.

No, really.

[shos]

PV, if Tierce is scum, do you have an idea for a partner?

[PeregrineV]

PV, if Tierce is scum, do you have an idea for a partner?

That's what I spent yesterday and today trying to figure out.

But, since I'm one person, I've been asking for 6 other opinions for 2 days.

I start with ruling out you, Els, and ActionDan.

This leaves me with a pool of CES, SpryeX and Desparado. I could be wrong on the 3 above, but this is a starting point that I'm fairly confident in.

[shos]

why AD?
I really dunno who I want to lynch right now; I'll revisit the game entirely tomorrow, I guess

[Elscouta]

I can understand that you'd be surprised that Elscouta is alive, looking at it holistically; I just find it weirder that Elscouta is surprised when by my reckoning, I don't see any nightkill that should prompt that sort of thinking.

I'm not totally surprised. But when scum prefers to kill people like TIP and sirdanilot (the guy whose reads were absolutely opposite to me for the whole game), and nobody seems to agree with me on PV, yeah i don't feel like launching a crusade against him.

how the hell come I'm not seeing more Tierce & SpyreX scum 4 lyfe talk?

We lynched Esp because two people decided to take the town hostage while demanding a policy lynch on day 5. That was utterly stupid, but policy lynches are not particularly scummy.

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Can I get a precise case about Desp and ActionDan? I really don't understand these pushes, especially Desp because it seems he has been pretty vocal about his reads, and definitely easier to read than SpyreX / CES.

[SpyreX]

well he would have voted tierce or you today + people who are actually town (i.e. me) townread him.

So he's actually a really good NK for you

He would have VOTED ME? The shock and hororrrrr.

Even if that were true (its not) why would that make him special? The hot rod of justice that brings people together or...?

Because at this point I'd expect your Town-brain to kick in and you to vote Tierce.

The fact you haven't done so is disappointing.

I reread this whole slog and while there's a mountain of things I'm not excited about that Tierce did, the move to JS day 1 was a pretty definitive callout that doesn't make a lot of sense as a bus. I've read the whole "claim" versus "lynch" you were talking about and that doesn't sell it for me. So, if you really want me to entertain that, lets play bulleted list short and sweet.

The flipside is: why not AD? Is this a function of AD town or a function of not-Tierce?

Can I get a precise case about Desp and ActionDan? I really don't understand these pushes, especially Desp because it seems he has been pretty vocal about his reads, and definitely easier to read than SpyreX / CES.

zzz. Show me where my reads are soo much harder to figure out then Desperados.

[Plum]

VOTE COUNT 6:4

Desperado

- 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum

Tierce

- 1 - PeregrineV

PeregrineV

- 2 - Elscouta, Desperado

ActionDan

- 3 - SpyreX, shos, Tierce

SpyreX

- 1 - ActionDan

Not voting (0)

With 8 players alive it takes

5

votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-03-15 06:00:00)

[Elscouta]

I didn't say your reads were hard to figure, i said you were harder to read. Don't even try to say that this whole Espeonage story hasn't totally obfuscated your play.

[PeregrineV]

Let's give out information.


Night1, Action Dan did not kill anyone.

Discuss.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Hadn't JS claimed then? I'd assume the scum team would have him make the kill then.

Does this mean you do actually have info on Tierce?

[PeregrineV]

Hadn't JS claimed then? I'd assume the scum team would have him make the kill then.

Does this mean you do actually have info on Tierce?

JS claimed bodyguard day1.

He flipped rolecop. Do you think PRs are allowed to both make the kill and perform their roles while not being the last scum alive?

There is a 30-post case on why Tierce is scum. If you want more info than that, let's finish our ActionDan discussion first.

Let's see. If I were JK, I'd try to block some sort of nullread night1 like

ActionDan

or SpryeX, hoping to prevent the kill.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I was going to make a point about all the scum looking like they had PRs but then I remembered Shadoweh being a Shieldrender, which does make most sense as a Strongman so then she would've made the nightkill. Which mostly renders N1 information moot; N2 would still be useful actually because we know a scum jailkeeper successfully targetted ABR (and by NAR, which Plum uses, you can roleblock jailkeepers) and N3 probably gives us the best info if you jailkept someone still alive then.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Wait, who did you target last Night? Tierce? Because shos didn't get blocked this time.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Or was I not meant to say that? Trying to get Tierce lynched based on just that case was a bit silly, honestly.

You should probably tell us who you're targetting before Night falls, which you probably know but it's still worth pointing out.

[SpyreX]

I didn't say your reads were hard to figure, i said you were harder to read. Don't even try to say that this whole Espeonage story hasn't totally obfuscated your play.

I'm saying just that. You can argue it obfuscated my vote, but not my play.

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I'd assume the shieldrender would be the NK'er and I wouldn't put it past Plum to allow both (I do, sometimes).

But if you're saying you blocked Tierce the night shos didn't get blocked then maybe we can talk.

[shos]

I think that by now *any* wagon would've formed if there was any good basis for a lynch against someone. this doesn't look like it, I'm thinking massclaim. no point in setup specs without claims.

[ActionDan]

I agree with massclaim at this juncture.

I'll start.

I'm a VT.

Spyrex can go next

[ActionDan]

also no house affiliations if that matters

[shos]

Spyrex, go.
popcorn and stuff

[SpyreX]

Duilin, VT, House of the Swallow

Desp

[Tierce]

Oh, please do say he's trying to claim a JK guilty on me~

Yo ActionDan, forgot your character name by any chance?