The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[PeregrineV]

Oh, please do say he's trying to claim a JK guilty on me~

Yo ActionDan, forgot your character name by any chance?

What night would I do that? We've had kills every night.

[PeregrineV]

And just for giggles while we await Desp and Elscouta, can we unvote Dan, to make sure there are no "accidents".

[SpyreX]

I guess but that'd be an accident I'd be fine with.

Unvote

[shos]

I agree.

I think Tierce can claim befre desp if she wants, lol.

[Tierce]

Sure?

The trend of having awesome character names continues. Elemmakil, Vanilla.

Have lamp, will

travel

presumably die horribly while Eärendil stares in fascination.

Can I just mention that the person who is supposedly claiming Jailkeeper is completely oblivious to the fact that shos's missing block (and survival) last Night means that he probably has a guilty result? Can we lynch this instead?

[shos]

Yeah we'll deal with that one later please.

[Desperado]

Penlod, Vanilla, House of the Pillar, House of the Tower of Snow

Let's ask - Desperado, do you have a good scum game? Jail ABR N3, yes/no? Kill sirdanilot so you don't have to keep pushing him?

Middle of the road
No
No; especially considering I absolutely could have gotten him lynched today

And i've been saying that for.. forever? So why now is it a total effrontery? Why not when I said I'd shoot you in the face dead D1 if I could?

Because at this point it's not even a subtle pot/kettle situation

[SpyreX]

Because at this point it's not even a subtle pot/kettle situation

The only change from then to:

Bitch please. You've done fuckall this game besides vote-park Esp and color in a bunch of votecounts every day.

Is Espeonage is dead now. So whatever "situation" has your danders up now versus D1-D5 is the same. Since I've been saying that about you

the entirety of the game

.

Popcorn it out so we get to the good stuff

[Desperado]

Is Espeonage is dead now. So whatever "situation" has your danders up now versus D1-D5 is the same.

Since I've been saying that about you the entirety of the game.

And it's become less and less of a valid criticism given your play; hence the change in attitude when you went back to that well again

[Desperado]

Popcorn PV

[SpyreX]

And it's become less and less of a valid criticism given your play; hence the change in attitude when you went back to that well again

When this game is done, am I gonna remember it fondly as one of my premiere performances? No way in hell. It hasn't been a great game and I was blinded by rage coming out of the gate. I'm still, and forever, going to be irritated by that bullshit and even with the above said I don't regret it for a moment.

That said, unless you're going to straight-face say

I am wrong about the level of play you've had this game

it is absolutely valid. It has nothing to do with "my play". The biggest difference between our little crusades is that I was blatant and honest about mine and sure as hell didn't try to paint it as something other then what it was.

So, a well formed version of "ya well you're a doodoo face" doesn't change a damn thing. You've been a non-entity and crackin that whip at me now like this is a ~~shocking revelation~~ doesn't change that it isn't in any universe.

[Desperado]

That said, unless you're going to straight-face say I am wrong about the level of play you've had this game it is absolutely valid. It has nothing to do with "my play". The biggest difference between our little crusades is that I was blatant and honest about mine and sure as hell didn't try to paint it as something other then what it was.

No, the biggest difference is that I actually contributed to the town's effort by, like, voting other people and talking about things that didn't necessarily involve my main scumread.

[SpyreX]

HOLY SHIT YOU ARE SO RIGHT

MY EYES ARE WIDE OPEN NOW

I'm surprised I'm not already lynched for making up suspecting you D1. Or pretty much any reference I've made to things I've said in the past about players still alive.

You're right though your votes have made the huge difference:

Espeonage - 1 - SpyreX
JacobSavage - 1 - Albert B. Rampage
TheIrishPope - 2 - Espeonage, Cogito Ergo Sum
Aegor - 10 - ActionDan, Elscouta, Majiffy, sirdanilot, JacobSavage, shos, chamber, Shadoweh, MafiaSSK, PeregrineV
ActionDan - 1 - Aegor
sirdanilot - 1 - Desperado

Not voting (2): TheIrishPope, Tierce

Espeonage - 1 - SpyreX
Albert B. Rampage - 1 - TheIrishPope
sirdanilot - 8 - Desperado, Espeonage, MafiaSSK, Elscouta, shos, Shadoweh, Tierce, ActionDan
PeregrineV - 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum
Shadoweh - 1 - PeregrineV
Tierce - 3 - Albert B. Rampage, sirdanilot, JacobSavage
JacobSavage - 1 - Majiffy

Not voting (0):

Espeonage - 4 - SpyreX, sirdanilot, Tierce, Elscouta
Desperado - 2 - Cogito Ergo Sum, Espeonage
Tierce - 2 - PeregrineV, ActionDan
sirdanilot - 2 - Desperado, shos

Not voting (0)

Ohh, whats that? On every day that wasn't caught scum you've ended on sirdan?

I REPENT MY SINFUL WAYS

[Desperado]

Ohh, whats that? On every day that wasn't caught scum you've ended on sirdan?

You mean to say that every time I wasn't happy with the town's choice for a lynch, I ended up on my #1 scumread?????

[Elscouta]

Rog, VT.

If someone must be lynched between Desp and ActionDan, i'd rather it be Desp, because #1740 still reads to me as a major townslip.
But PeregrineV "oh i didn't believe the Majiffy crumb but I didn't say anything while Shadoweh was lynched for it" is still the #1 scum act of the game.

[Desperado]

How is AD trying to confirm jacob as town a townslip?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The idea, I assume, is that as scum he wouldn't believe he couldn't confirm Jacob as town. I don't think it works though as the basic misunderstanding there seems to be that he's interpreting shos' claim of having seen a Jailkeeper target ABR as corresponding to the result "Protective and Roleblock" (as opposed to "Jailkeep") and Town mistakenly thinking that makes Jacob town seems plausible - it's also not that weird for ActionDanscum to start thinking in that direction as the Voyeur result on ABR was directly relevant to JS' alignment; it just confirmed him as scum instead of as town.

I'm Eärendil, VT. I hope you're jealous, Tierce, I get to slay dragons.

[PeregrineV]

Rog, VT.

If someone must be lynched between Desp and ActionDan, i'd rather it be Desp, because #1740 still reads to me as a major townslip.
But PeregrineV "oh i didn't believe the Majiffy crumb but I didn't say anything while Shadoweh was lynched for it" is still the #1 scum act of the game.

Yeah, I guess it's a good thing I never had any Shadow suspicion before Majiffy suicided on his prime scum suspect just to show us, by dying, that he was right.

Spoiler: Shadow was scum before he was scum

2. JacobSavage - Postcount: 6. I honestly didn't realize he'd posted before Scummy Butt: The Buttening. Not really much to go on, instead of explaining townreads please explain which of your fourteen 'scumreads' you think is the scummiest and why, possibly with a vote even, which you are not doing and should.
4. Aegor - I didn't like post 141 as an entry post, it felt like throwing a bunch of things out to see what sticks, plus what I said earlier about his views on Esp. Also not sure what brachylogy means, but if it means empty voting you're basically voting ABR for being ABR, he always does that as far as I've seen? I don't think you'd know that though. Conversation with Sirdan is sensical but you haven't actually mentioned anything about who you think is scum, so not really much to go on. Please explain which of the sixteen people who isn't yourself or ABR you also think are scummy and why. I'm preparing to copy/paste saying that alot!
5. Natirasha - I really want to like your posts but I think it's because you're posting like ActionDan in a non-caring kind of way. You're not Dan thhough so it's weird. I expected you to be more.. cheerful I guess? You were more wordy in the quicktopic, I think. I'm not really sure what I want you to do different to be honest, I just don't want to think of you as scum.
7. MafiaSSK - Last post: four days ago. Considering there wasn't really any meat to sink into at the time, there's not really much to go on here. Please follow up on question aimed at chamber, and answer if you still think Nat and Esp are scummy. SSK was quiet to the point of me not expecting him to reply to posts in the QT, and he's kind of a lurker in general, so it's hard to get a read either way.
9. Espeonage - I actually thought the whole VT on the scene thing was a good reaction test way to start off at first but the overblown NOW YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD SIRDAN YOU ARE THE SCUMS tunnel is just.. bad.

@sirdan's posting. Look at how he demands to know everything, town definitely wants information yes, but scum need it. It's like how White shouldn't lose tempo because they have the foot up on black in chess.

Nonsensical is probably a better word, and crazy paranoid. "Town would do this, but scum need to do it MORE, so sirdan spamming up the thread demanding to know everything means he's super scummy!" What I really want you to do is stop tunneling Sirdan and make a scum read that isn't based on The Most Easy to Hate Dude making posts at you.
11. Albert B. Rampage - Post count: 6. I don't know if there's a difference between ABR's town and scum games, but I'm already remembering why my eyes keep glazing over as I reread this game. Uhm, you said you would explain one of your votes if people picked one, and the only one person have shown interest in in the sirdan vote, so explain?
13. Desperado - Post count: 5. Please kill me. Wow, are you still voting me? I know I wanted to die while we were buddies, but I think you'll find I was equally suicidal in the game you were half-scum in too. If you're going to use meta then maybe you should use more then one game. You have plenty of my posts to look at and tell me if you still think I'm scum at least. also question, do you think sirdan is town or scum because when I tell someone I have a problem with their posts in your tone, it usually means I'm suspicious of them, but it's not clear in the way you're asking.
15. Elscouta - didn't like entry post of hopping onto the for some reason growing Sirdan wagon. Looking at his later posts though I'd have to say he's at least taking it seriously? Like, the opposite of how I feel about Esp's tunnelrageback. Still needs more scumspects who could actually be scum (tm)
16. PeregrineV - brain asdfghkjing why are you voting me and stop it reads as peregrinev
17. TheIrishPope (replacing xRECKONERx) - is a dude that's here

its hurting to think but I think I think Esp is the worst right now? Really what I'm remembering is that the game still practically hasn't started because half the people still haven't posted things. PS TIP if you seriously would have vigged someone who is obvtown instead of any of the above excluding yourself yyou would deserve to have the shit kicked out of you.

##Unvote
##Vote: Espironage

Tierce, I think you will find I was never actually a voyeuristic old man, I was always a sexy fiery temptress hiding in an old man's clothes. Also I'd have to say I'm as far opposite to being a voyeur as possible. Just pretend you can't read him and remember he's at least trying to help, in his own.. way. I'd stop posting if I were him too, wondering if I were still alive? (Or I'd start swearing at the 'vig' I supose if I was in the mood)
PPS i will take this as your admittance that i was in fact the bestest girl

Mine eyes hath devoured your wordiness. For the length of the post, I was fulfilled.

Then I finished the post.

Alas, my brain is once more hungry.

That turned out to be less productive than I hoped.

Was feeling the Espeonage lynch, then went back and reread 603, because the first time I read it incorrectly.

What's the basis for the Jacob wagon?

@Shadow

- maybe. Your town and scum posting is very similar.

Peeregrine: That's kind of depressing. My scum posting is horrible and I don't understand why people can't tell the difference. In one of them, I'm actually enjoying myself playing the mystery game. In the other I want to sleep until I wake up and my role pm turned green.

Scum-you
Mini 1489: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=30846
Otherworld Mafia: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=22453
Good v Evil Mafia: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=21408

Town-you
Experimental Mafia: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=21773
Mini 1376: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=23295

PV Are you still scum now that you have 6 votes? If not, who is scum? Is the wagon on you scum-driven?

PeregrineV - 6 - shos, Majiffy, Shadoweh, sirdanilot, Albert B. Rampage, Cogito Ergo Sum

This is was the height of my wagon, although I think it's gone down since.

shos- I remain neutral on. His meta to me was not saying town, but it was based on an older game. More recent games it still doesn't look like his recent town games, but it's more gut than anything I can point out.

Majiffy- Could be. Crap votes aren't his forte, but he has been known to hop on a wagon or two. Frankly, he did vote his scum reads in the beginning, and I was null to him, so it's not unreasonable. However, if Majiffy flips scum, then I found another.

Shadow- Had early game suspicions, and they haven't gotten much better (a little, not much). Part of this is tied for the 5th most posts, yet hard to find actual opinions. Today's consists of jumping on the Desp wagon and my wagon, but not original wagons or content. I'd say scum.

sirdanilot- Seems to have incurred a large amount of scumreads. And I can see why some may think so, but overall, town enough not to lynch.

ABR- Is pretty much voting everyone who has voted him or called him scum. I'm torn, since I feel this is how he would play as scum, but glancing at his recent games (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... B._Rampage) there's not much to differentiate him. As town, he'd probably be scum protected to take into lylo, although if scum looks at his game stats, they are more likely to win if they lynch him now. Would maybe default lynch, but probably not today.

CES- Crappy vote. Can't tell if crappy town or crappy scum.

That sums up my wagon, unfortunately.

Would currently be for a Shadow or MafiaSSK as scum.

Vote: MafiaSSK

Vote: MafiaSSK

No, just looked back through his ISO.

@mafiaSSK

- Where has your CES=scummy scum scum read gone to?

Vote: Shadow

[PeregrineV]

I'll let shos go next.

Last night, Elscouta did not kill anybody.

[shos]

Rog, VT.

If someone must be lynched between Desp and ActionDan, i'd rather it be Desp, because #1740 still reads to me as a major townslip.
But PeregrineV "oh i didn't believe the Majiffy crumb but I didn't say anything while Shadoweh was lynched for it" is still the #1 scum act of the game.

I think this should leave AD out of the lynching pool

[ActionDan]

Yeah okay we can do this one Today.


Hey.

Hey ActionDan.

First, the whole dance with Shadoweh about it being weird that sirdanilot wasn't around to protest his wagon at 4:30 AM his time--and then, when I called you out on it, you miraculously thought it was Townish then null then hey it's nothing why did you even bring it up that someone didn't claim when they are asleep. Now this with SpyreX, when you're to blame for much the same; this "VCA" can only be taken as such with the quote symbols, and it sure is "ripe". You're trying to pin perfectly natural behavior on people as scummy instead of trying to analyze it and figuring out that it's not scummy to do the things they do.

Child,

please

.

In regards to the last two lines the natural thing to do after meticulously color coding every VC is to comment on it. Seems like random spyrex defense

[shos]

How is AD trying to confirm jacob as town a townslip?

if he was scum, he would know that is confirming him as SCUM, not town.

[shos]

oh and I'm Hendor, Voyeur.

I expected to see someone jump out and try to do something but it failed. in fact, i *have* been jailkept again.

[Desperado]

How is AD trying to confirm jacob as town a townslip?

if he was scum, he would know that is confirming him as SCUM, not town.

So what? The intent behind the post was still to confirm Jacob as town, was it not?

[PeregrineV]

Rog, VT.

If someone must be lynched between Desp and ActionDan, i'd rather it be Desp, because #1740 still reads to me as a major townslip.
But PeregrineV "oh i didn't believe the Majiffy crumb but I didn't say anything while Shadoweh was lynched for it" is still the #1 scum act of the game.

I think this should leave AD out of the lynching pool

I wasn't getting this before, but I think I get it now (ie 1740).