The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I expected to see someone jump out and try to do something but it failed. in fact, i *have* been jailkept again.

Oh. Boo.

PeregrineV, give us your N4 target and tell us why you didn't spot the importance of your N5 target even with me explicitly telling you why it was important.

[PeregrineV]

I expected to see someone jump out and try to do something but it failed. in fact, i *have* been jailkept again.

Oh. Boo.

PeregrineV, give us your N4 target and tell us why you didn't spot the importance of your N5 target even with me explicitly telling you why it was important.

I don't get what you are saying here. Which post did you tell me the "importance of my N5 target"?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

(and by NAR, which Plum uses, you can roleblock jailkeepers)

Wait, who did you target last Night? Tierce? Because shos didn't get blocked this time.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Anyway, you should be fullclaiming.

[PeregrineV]

Anyway, you should be fullclaiming.

I am. I'm just trying to get as much information as possible from each of my night actions.

For example.

Night3, shos targetted ABR

[PeregrineV]

I knew this going into day4, but shos started climbing all over ABR, which I can't imagine scum doing to town based on a night result (well, I can, but I wanted to see where he was taking it, and what the various reactions were).

Voyeur claim is null, but pressing for possible JK choices as he did also didn't seem like a scum motivated thing. It would kind of be pointless unless it ended in an ABR lynch.

It ended with this:

Well then i guess we can stop now
ABR is conftown
Scum have a jailkeeper. A stupid one, lol.
Well done ABR; you got lucky; lucky in that your actions didnt hurt town - and with that, they helped town.
Back to scumhunting: VOTE: ces

Now, shos could have targetted ABR just to run that whole thing, but it seems pointless to me, especially since they killed the Tracker (MafiaSSK) that night, so why bother with all that? ABR's continuing to get "no results" would have led to his lynch anyway.

So, while not definitively town, shos told the truth and his play doesn't seem like it comes from scum.

[shos]

How is AD trying to confirm jacob as town a townslip?

if he was scum, he would know that is confirming him as SCUM, not town.

So what? The intent behind the post was still to confirm Jacob as town, was it not?

No you don't get it.

as town, he would think that I can confirm JS as town, and say that.
as scum, he would KNOW that JS lied, therefore, he would KNOW that JS fakeclaimed, and he would KNOW that I am town, and therefore he would KNOW that I'm not lying, meaning that I KNOW that JS did NOT target him; therefore, posting that post was precisely confirming JSscum for shostown. so unless he thought a 1v1 between me and JS can result with my lynch, that would be a very stupid move to bring to light, since nobody thought about that at the time.

Therefore, this is incentive to think ActionDan is actually town.

[shos]

well that's interesting, I thought I would be blocked tonight as well...maybe the scum JK was X-shot?

by the way: Look, I Evade giving my result on purpose (for the while) so don't ask me for it yet. it'll suffice to say that I targetted Tierce.

bt the way, look at the capitals

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

How is AD trying to confirm jacob as town a townslip?

if he was scum, he would know that is confirming him as SCUM, not town.

So what? The intent behind the post was still to confirm Jacob as town, was it not?

No you don't get it.

as town, he would think that I can confirm JS as town, and say that.
as scum, he would KNOW that JS lied, therefore, he would KNOW that JS fakeclaimed, and he would KNOW that I am town, and therefore he would KNOW that I'm not lying, meaning that I KNOW that JS did NOT target him; therefore, posting that post was precisely confirming JSscum for shostown. so unless he thought a 1v1 between me and JS can result with my lynch, that would be a very stupid move to bring to light, since nobody thought about that at the time.

Therefore, this is incentive to think ActionDan is actually town.

But he seemed to think that you did get "protective"? In which case we could've incorrectly cleared Jacob.

[shos]

PV is town.

How can I incorrectly clear Jacob? I'm not following the line of thought.

[PeregrineV]

Going to finish, because I need the remaining town to discuss, but not sure I'll be back on until tomorrow.

n2- JacobSavage targetted MafiaSSK

I targetted ABR N2,
ActionDan N3.

Cool enough.

Vote: JacobSavage

n4: Tierce targetted ABR

Behold, the tower leapt into a flame and in a stab of fire it fell, for the dragons crushed the base of it and all who stood there. Great was the clangour of that terrible fall, and therein was lost Turgon King of the Gondolindrim, and for that hour the victory was to Morgoth.

Albert B. Rampage

-

Turgon,

House of the King

, Gondolin Vanilla

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Removed from Gondolin Night 4

VOTE COUNT 5:0

Not voting (10)

: Tierce, shos, ActionDan, Espeonage, SpyreX, Cogito Ergo Sum, Desperado, sirdanilot, Elscouta, PeregrineV

With 10 players alive it takes

6

votes to lynch.

Did some preliminary overnight reading, and starting (and ending) here today.

Vote: Tierce

In conclusion,

VOTE: Tierce

[PeregrineV]

And for full clarity, unless ActionDan and Elcouta are the Jailkeeper and choose nights1 and night5 respectively to NOT action, then they are not Jailkeepers, for those nights they targetted no one.

[Tierce]

n4: Tierce targetted ABR

Nope.



Peregrine let Espeonage be lynched instead of claiming Yesterday--it's probably three scum left and Today is LyLo, because otherwise this play makes no sense.

UNVOTE: ActionDan
VOTE: PeregrineV

[Tierce]

Plum, I'm getting malware warnings from your ISO.

[Tierce]

Plum: Specifically, this post is causing the malware trigger.

I'm probably missing a third, because PereV and Elscouta still make little sense as a team.

VOTE COUNT 6:4

Desperado

- 1 - Cogito Ergo Sum

Tierce

- 1 - PeregrineV

PeregrineV

- 2 - Elscouta, Desperado

ActionDan

- 3 - SpyreX, shos, Tierce

SpyreX

- 1 - ActionDan

Not voting (0)

With 8 players alive it takes

5

votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-03-15 06:00:00)

This VC shows that at least one of PereV (duh) and Elscouta and Desperado is scum. And ActionDan not getting quickhammered implies that either he's scum or I'm wrong in SpyreX and shos being both Town.

So it's PereV, SpyreX/ActionDan, and a third. Doesn't help much, but it's the logical conclusion given that they've all been around and posting. shos and CES are Town, we start with PeregrineV Today, and then we can work from there.

[PeregrineV]

n4: Tierce targetted ABR

Nope.



Peregrine let Espeonage be lynched instead of claiming Yesterday--it's probably three scum left and Today is LyLo, because otherwise this play makes no sense.

UNVOTE: ActionDan
VOTE: PeregrineV

It was a quandary. But, you've been bussing all game, so was hoping you would try to take out the last one and ride that to victory.

Took a small chance, but if I caught your partner, it would be worth it.

And if I cleared a player from being your partner, also worth it, since the pool of players remaining would grow smaller.

If I was NKed before I gave my results, then you'd have been lynched anyway with my flip. Spin how you like, I have 20 posts declaring you as scum (and all are accurate in and of themselves).

[Tierce]

Too busy ignoring confirmed scum~

I hope you're jealous, Tierce, I get to slay dragons.

Also, you're a jerk.

[PeregrineV]

n4: Tierce targetted ABR

Nope.

Mod confirmed. And

THIS IS NOT A BASTARD GAME.

So, really, your day1 play was instructive once I got the result.

As was your day2.

The Shadow lynch through me somewhat, but I think they were almost as surprised by it. But maybe not, because they didn't even challenge you on it.

[SpyreX]

Well thats straightforward.

Unvote, Vote: Tierce

[Tierce]

PereV, darling, you're trying to pretend that getting an extra unreliable result would be better than claiming, when that would get one of the strongest players in the game lynched and flipped scum? Are you

seriously

plying that as a gambit that you would do as Town?

And for the ones watching at home: MafiaSSK flipped Tracker. But PeregrineV is claiming to have Tracker abilities, in a game that already has:

Cop-Vig combo
Weak Doctor
Tracker
Voyeur (?)

Shieldrender
Rolecop
Jailkeeper (?)


Nope, not a chance, period, end of story, goodbye.

[Elscouta]

So this is a 1v1 Tierce vs PeregrineV?

I don't know. On one side, i tend to give the benefit to the player forcing the 1v1, and it justifies a bit that PV pushed a forced case on Tierce yesterday. On the other hand:
- do you really keep a tracker-guilty under the belt when you have a reasonable chance of getting NK'ed, and when 2 scums are already down?
- 2 Trackers, 1 Weak Doc and 1 Super VigCop of Doom?

Unvote while I ponder.

[Elscouta]

Note: If PV is town, any reasonable game balance would point at 5 scums, ie 3 scum left.

[Tierce]

Well thats straightforward.

Unvote, Vote: Tierce

...are you even serious? Look at the setup.

[Elscouta]

Note: If PV is town, any reasonable game balance would point at 5 scums, ie 3 scum left.

Which is a bit unfortunate for me given that PV town + 2 scum left only = me town (given we know scum did JK + NK last night)

[Elscouta]

Note: If PV is town, any reasonable game balance would point at 5 scums, ie 3 scum left.

Corollary: if we lynch PV town today, we probably lose.