The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[SpyreX]

Yes I'm serious.

You've claimed VT, PV has set himself up for an instant death if you aren't scum. Its not lylo and even though I thought you were town there's 0 chance of me going the other way.

If this is a scum ploy lay out all your reads and go bravely into the night knowing it took that to get rid of you. I've had that shit happen before and its a giant waste of time to fight it (and don't worry, no way in hell does PV get away with it like people did WHEN I DIED I REMEMBER)

[SpyreX]

And weird cop-vig that makes people make the kills and two trackers doesn't surprise me all that much. Thats my kind of jerkery right there.

[Elscouta]

New proposal: we have no claimed protective roles left and one claimed investigative that is under heavy suspicion. We are at Even's, and we could be at MyLo if three scum are left.

Why not No Lynch?

[SpyreX]

And tomorrow if PV has another result?

Or if he's telling the truth and shos gets to watch himself die?

[Tierce]

Note: If PV is town, any reasonable game balance would point at 5 scums, ie 3 scum left.

Corollary: if we lynch PV town today, we probably lose.

Corollary: if we lynch Tierce-Town Today, we lose. Not even mentioning the fact that I am Town because "lol we don't know that" reactions, not bringing a previous tracker guilty up before LyLo is not something you do as Town. That's all the evidence you need right there.

Yes I'm serious.

You've claimed VT, PV has set himself up for an instant death if you aren't scum. Its not lylo and even though I thought you were town there's 0 chance of me going the other way.

If this is a scum ploy lay out all your reads and go bravely into the night knowing it took that to get rid of you. I've had that shit happen before and its a giant waste of time to fight it (and don't worry, no way in hell does PV get away with it like people did WHEN I DIED I REMEMBER)

It

has

to be LyLo, otherwise this doesn't make sense. I remember that and I would do the same because yay fatalism, but

there is no point

because if I'm lynched we lose. This means that there's no way no how that I'm letting him get away with this Today. He's scum, he's delayed this as much as possible and claimed last, there was virtually nothing keeping him from pulling such a stunt as scum. I don't care about reading other people, right now the goal is to lynch PereV scum and sort the rest out Tomorrow.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

How can I incorrectly clear Jacob? I'm not following the line of thought.

If you get the result "protective + roleblock" instead of "jailkeep" (which is what ActionDan seemed to be assuming), then it is actually more obvious to think Jacob targetted ABR along with a Mafia Roleblocker rather than the slightly weirder Mafia Jailkeeper.

Yeah, the 5 scum angle seems really unlikely here, what with 3 scum PRs already confirmed. And then Desperado as final scum? Seems pretty nice to me.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

New proposal: we have no claimed protective roles left and one claimed investigative that is under heavy suspicion. We are at Even's, and we could be at MyLo if three scum are left.

Why not No Lynch?

Tierce/Pere just kills shos and we're not any closer.

[Elscouta]

Oh right obviously Tierce will do the NK if Pere is town.

NEVERMIND.

Looks like I'll have to take a decision today.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The combination of PereVscum requiring 5 scum and the elaborate way he claimed is too much to ignore (+ I don't really like our odds of winning against a 3 man scum team).

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: Tierce

[Elscouta]

WAIT.

PV is scum.

[Tierce]

The combination of PereVscum requiring 5 scum and the elaborate way he claimed is too much to ignore (+ I don't really like our odds of winning against a 3 man scum team).

Well too bad? If he were Town he would have claimed Yesterday instead of letting apathy-lynch happen, this should be obvious if you're not me.


Goddammit CES, please unvote, if AD is sround and he's scum we're [robably screwed.

[Tierce]

THIS ISN'T HAPPENING

[Elscouta]

He is scum because it is the second guily that he gets, and he never spoke of the first.

ABR claimed Even Night Cop on day 2 when JacobSavage was a claimed bodyguard.
PV is supposed to have tracked JacobSavage to MafiaSSK day 2, which would be at least a very strange target.
He doesn't speak of it. He doesn't even pretend to be interested in what JacobSavage did, when asking "who did you target, JS" would have been totally fine on day3.
He waits until day 4 when JS is confirmed scum to hop on the bandwagon.

He is scum.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote

[Tierce]

Oh thank god.

I do not need Xenologue flashbacks right now.

[ActionDan]

gonna look over this

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Oh, that, yeah. Actually, I did consider that angle but I didn't find it all that convincing? I could say why but Pere should probably answer first.

The "THIS ISN'T HAPPENING" post gives me more doubts, really. Maybe not make this decision before going to bed then.

[Tierce]

There is a 30-post case on why Tierce is scum. If you want more info than that, let's finish our ActionDan discussion first.

Let's see. If I were JK, I'd try to block some sort of nullread night1 like

ActionDan

or SpryeX, hoping to prevent the kill.

Let's bring this up again. While the original post was prompted by shos's questioning, why does PeregrineV bring it up again as if it is a crumb for what he did, when it's ambiguous in terms of targets and does not match a Tracker's ability? It's because he's trying to edge into a claim that would suit him, and then realizes that claiming Jailkeeper would screw him over due to not reacting to shos's "I was not blocked N5" fakeclaim.

[Tierce]

I won't be around for much of tomorrow, for the sake of everything you hold sacred please don't ignore this game until then.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If he was prepping a Jailkeeper claim though, how was he supposed to have a guilty on you? The only way that worked was if shos hadn't been roleblocked.

[Tierce]

Which shos had said he wasn't, so...? The point is not whether shos was lying or not, it's that that specific crumb makes no sense coming from someone who is not a Jailkeeper. No one would expect him to have targeted ActionDan N1 if we hadn't been directly told. It's a set-up, not an actual crumb from a genuine role.

[SpyreX]

Unvote

I'm dealing with this after a nap

[Tierce]

Whoop-fucking-doo. Look, I know everything Peregrine doing is a lie, so my words are going to have a lot of frustrated flailing and confirmation bias. It's easiest if you follow me. (>")> But failing that, go read his posts? Should be pretty obvious that he's scum from the claim and how it doesn't match his play and conveniently came Today, with three days to Deadline, and after everyone else's. It's insert-your-letter-here-yLo and he's tacking on a fakeclaim with no risks.

PEdit: Not actually directed at SpyreX, this is a general Tierce-hates-everything-about-LyLos PSA thing.

[Tierce]

*crickets*