Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Venmar]

Instead of getting a response that looked like the type of apathy I'd expect from a successful town. Instead of getting a response that looked natural, organic, and fluid. I got a response which seemed defensive and desperate. It could have come from town-wanting-earlier-win, but it doesn't look that way. And even now, in your current posting, I see that similar thing. It feels faked. Flat. Empty. Like your "sorry guiz" is a formality that you feel you must post, rather than something you'd naturally post. Like your entire stance on you being lynched is something you're putting in to look good, but when push comes to shove, don't actually mean.

Mastin, you've played with me before, numerous amounts of times, so why did you expect me to react to your question in a civil way? You know I can be abrasive when it comes to things I view as retarded, so why did you pose a test for me you should have known was going to end only in one way? It doesn't make any sense, which makes me think you're just weaving BS out of thin air. Also, I have no idea why you thought a town response to a question literally saying "Hey, you're town, lets lynch you!" to be "Sure". If you said something like "Hey, there's no way we can advance unless you die, you're too controversial to keep alive and a roadblock to town progress.", then sure, I might have said yes, but instead you proposed the most outrageous fucking thing, TO ME OF ALL PEOPLE, so yeah, I flipped shit, and you're either retarded town or fabricating scum.

[Venmar]

And Cephrir didn't tell me anything, if you're trying to imply that you're voting me for anything else other than Cephrir's interaction with me then sorry but that's how it looks like, so i'll focus on it.

Nope, my case on you is based almost entirely on your connections to Cephrir. Like I said earlier, I didn't have any heavy suspicion of you until I ISO'd Cephrir on Night 4.

That's... quite literally what I said..?

[mastin2]

Like...the first non-neighbor content is a REALLY questionable Cephrir interaction.
The next is pieguyn, who Venmar basically tunneled on D1 along-side Metal Sonic.
There is this bit about me.
The next non-pie/MS bit is...yet another questionable Cephrir interaction.

Looking outside your neighborhood what are you thinking about the game?

I'm thinking Pieguyn scum, Sangres lean town (based off of ffer's posting), lean town on muffin, town read on mastin, very slight gut town feeling on varsoon, and leaning town on brian.

Everyone else I haven't felt bothered enough to read yet or just arent standing out.

This is literally the first time he's given proper reads, and he did so only after having been prompted, and it's not a great list. Cephrir was left out, too, in spite of previously saying leaning town, when I was left in and I was the only other read he had expressed.

Like I haven't been pretty explicit about my reads?

zMuffin, Cephrir, Kaze, Flandre

Maybe Flandre is a little less so than the other 3

Muffin is town, Kaze might be town, Ceprhir and Flandre idk.

Go vote MS and make yourself useful.

Then there's here, where he deflects off of Cephrir/Flandre while not giving reads on them, onto Metal. He does lean scum on Cephrir here, but yet again, focus is on Metal Sonic, with pie kept around. He even makes it explicit here. And defends Flandre from being lynched here.
And also sorta defends Cephrir here.
He does vote for Kagami on D1, but again, largely, the effort I'd expect is in hindsight absent. The strongest posts he makes are mostly talking about flipped scum positively.

After pie's death and Kagami's mislynch, it's back to tunneling Metal Sonic, with no contributions otherwise. It's not until here after AP died that he posts about someone other than MS...and it's explicitly SK-hunting, not mafia-hunting.

I see most of the remaining players alive as town-ish with the exception of Metal Sonic, who is the only players I have a scumread on I would be interested in pursuing, and ActionDan, who I am paranoid about but not suspicious of.

He says this, yet gives nothing.

The first time he does anything?

Muffin is town, sorry mollie, you're wrong, accept it, go home.

...Is defending Muffin hardcore. Even then. No explanation. Nothing. Just a focus on lynching Metal Sonic.

The stuff after that, I define as recent content.

It's something which I had no issue with at the time, but in hindsight?
Venmar's done nothing this game.
Like...read Xenogears in comparison.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=18913
There's vague similarities. But it's a completely different Venmar overall; he actually did stuff.

[Venmar]

Whatever, fuck you, is this what you want?

Vote: Venmar

Lynch me. You're not even voting me, but go ahead and put me on L-1. Or hammer me, I don't even know.

[Venmar]

Nevermind, this shit i'm doing is something I completely fucking loved to see as scum in my most recent scumgame.

Unvote

[Venmar]

Vote: Mastin2

[mastin2]

Whatever, fuck you, is this what you want?

Vote: Venmar

Lynch me. You're not even voting me, but go ahead and put me on L-1. Or hammer me, I don't even know.

Nevermind, this shit i'm doing is something I completely fucking loved to see as scum in my most recent scumgame.

Unvote

Vote: Mastin2

How come it took you longer to type out a naked vote on me than it did for you to post your unvote which was significantly longer? Speaking of which...how did you, in the span of one minute, post your vote, read it, change your mind, AND post your unvote?

I have a very. VERY hard time believing that was legitimately a freak-out. Like, it looks

ridiculously

orchestrated. It's an AtE that makes you look better but puts zero risk on you.

[Venmar]

JUST FUCKING VOTE ME FOR FUCKS SAKE

[mastin2]

You could quite literally claim scum and I wouldn't vote you right now.

I think you're scum. I probably will be voting you. But I did iso-analysis on you. That's it. I haven't done my homework. I haven't looked at the other players. I've done nothing. It's something like 70% on you being scum. Not nearly 100%.

[Venmar]

How come it took you longer to type out a naked vote on me than it did for you to post your unvote which was significantly longer? Speaking of which...how did you, in the span of one minute, post your vote, read it, change your mind, AND post your unvote?

I have a very. VERY hard time believing that was legitimately a freak-out. Like, it looks

ridiculously

orchestrated. It's an AtE that makes you look better but puts zero risk on you.

1. I make a post out of blind rage.
2. I instantly remember about my experience with people like that in my recent scumgame. I promptly unvote.
3. Happy, I drift off and go on Reddit.
4. While on Reddit, I remember MS, think you're scummy and that i don't have a vote.
5. I come back and vote you.

How you thought I would think of orchestrating that on the spot is beyond me.

[ActionDan]

With JK dead i dont see a massclaim fucking us at this point in time

how about no.

[zMuffinMan]

A question being exactly that. A query. An inquiry. A sentence worded or expressed so as to elicit information

there are different types of questions, mastin, and yours did not look like it was just a query/enquiry/etc. it looked like you were implying something. i read it in the same way venmar did (as an implication you wanted to lynch him but didn't think he was scum), so his reaction makes sense to me

[zMuffinMan]

The next is pieguyn, who Venmar basically tunneled on D1 along-side Metal Sonic

do you think this is (a) unusual for venmar or (b) a sensible play for scum?

speaking of "flat" tone, i've never seen you do an iso analysis like that. there's a complete lack of motivation analysis (or any analysis at all, really)

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 6.2

[1] mastin2 (Venmar)
[1] Venmar (Skullduggery)

[7] Not Voting (ActionDan, pidgey, pirate mollie, mastin2, sangres, zMuffinMan, Iecerint)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-03-26 08:00:00)

[sangres]

I was waiting for you fery cos you said you wanted to talk.

and then didn't show back up but tbf we only had a few hours to get back on.

hi iceyrent!

yeah I wanted to talk to you about your zmuffin read in the neighborhood overnight but in-thread is fine. as far as I am concerned the neighborhood convos might as well be in-thread.

[pirate mollie]

then lets get to talking!

but I thought I did explain my muffina read???

[Iecerint]

It's kind of hard to feel motivated to read everything when I'm just going to die tonight.

Maybe I should seem useless so that they'll kill someone else?

[ActionDan]

You're a claimed VT. your death tonight = lol doubtful

[sangres]

then lets get to talking!

but I thought I did explain my muffina read???

humor me and re-explain.

I'm extremely time-bound atm and it's 4 hours earlier than it feels and I haven't gotten used to daylight time yet.

[Iecerint]

Well, it's more like I'm a weak IC.

[pirate mollie]

then lets get to talking!

but I thought I did explain my muffina read???

humor me and re-explain.

I'm extremely time-bound atm and it's 4 hours earlier than it feels and I haven't gotten used to daylight time yet.

tbh I am not sure I could paraphrase it.

I don't get why you would have him as town.

[sangres]

Nacho had him as town. We were going to revisit some reads but it hasn't happened yet.

We're both paranoid about our Brian Skies/Gooner read and pidgey has been so disconnected and useless that's not likely to change.

We liked skull's reaction to the wagon on day 486 or w/e. But, her assertiveness bugs me on some level that's hard to explain.

[pirate mollie]

486? what do you mean by that? was that a post?

[pirate mollie]

but we were talking about muffina

[sangres]

on

day

486