Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

Three votes on Saki all without reasoning? Something smells fishy here.

how much of the game have you actually read?

what are your reads?

[Saki]

what does nacho have to do with my alignment? and if you think gcbc is scum, why would you lynch nacho after my flip?

nacho defended you pretty hard following your claim
if you're town he's scum that's whiteknighting you
if you're the SK (which I think you are) he's probably town


and don't mind Sakura, SSK

She's accused me of "going with the flow" then did it twice herself re: Varsoon and now me

and her usual "idk how to read Saki" stance is nowhere to be found

so yeah forget about her being town

if we wagon her she might slip under pressure but I doubt her scumbuddies will let me
(I'm looking at you, GCBC)

Three votes on Saki all without reasoning? Something smells fishy here.

how much of the game have you actually read?

what are your reads?

don't bother answering the last part, SSK
all muffin'll do is tear it apart and use it to drive a mislynch

[Sakura Hana]

Saki: "Don't bother doing posting anything because it will be useless and everyone's scum"

[GoodCop_BadCop]

This is the part where I say - This should have happened yesterday and vote Saki. But I feel bad that I stole Cabd's vote, kinda, so I am going to leave the call to him today. Although I still think Bubba is prob town.

~GC

[Saki]

Saki: "Don't bother doing posting anything because it will be useless and everyone's scum"

bubba if you're looking for misrep look no further

[Saki]

This is the part where I say - This should have happened yesterday and vote Saki. But I feel bad that I stole Cabd's vote, kinda, so I am going to leave the call to him today. Although I still think Bubba is prob town.

~GC

>_>

I can't even tell scum apart from town atm because all you guys want to do is lynch the single most useless/hated person around instead of actually looking for scum based off 5000+ pages and role madness.

[MafiaSSK]

Three votes on Saki all without reasoning? Something smells fishy here.

how much of the game have you actually read?

what are your reads?

i would say in total i've read less than 10% of the game. But more than 5% for sure, I think.

As for my reads? And granted, they're mostly based off of gut and/or other people's logic, and probably ignores any people who are conftown because I haven't read the parts where they become confirmed:

MuffinZ: Null.
Katarina: Null leaning town.
bubbajack: Scum leaning null.
Saki: Town.
GCBC: Scum.
ActionDan: Town leaning null
Nacho: Town
pieguyn: Town
Sakura: Null leaning town

[MafiaSSK]

Three votes on Saki all without reasoning? Something smells fishy here.

how much of the game have you actually read?

what are your reads?

don't bother answering the last part, SSK
all muffin'll do is tear it apart and use it to drive a mislynch

Welppp. I think my reads are pretty good, though.

But MuffinZ is null. But you disagree. I think the main point in me keeping MuffinZ as null and not scum is just how active he seems to be in this town. He gives reads, he questions people. I feel like if he were to be scum, he would be leaving way tooo many interactions that people could analyze.
But at the same time, he just gets so reactionary when a wagon forms on him. And he's seemed sort of survivalistic at times. But I think that might just be his meta. But but
idk.

So what do you think of my thoughts of why he could be town, Saki?

[zMuffinMan]

nacho defended you pretty hard following your claim
if you're town he's scum that's whiteknighting you
if you're the SK (which I think you are) he's probably town

first, that doesn't even make sense. if nacho would be "probably town" if i were SK, then why can't nacho be town because i'm town?

second, why do you think i'm SK?

and third, if you think i'm SK, then presumably your only factional scum read was GCBC (prior to the recent change of mind about sakura after she started scum reading you)?

Although I still think Bubba is prob town

why?

Saki: Town

why do you have saki as town? not to mention, one of only three people you have as solid "town"?

[zMuffinMan]

so yeah forget about her being town

why did you think sakura was town in the first place if all it took was her reading you as scum to change your mind?

he just gets so reactionary when a wagon forms on him. And he's seemed sort of survivalistic at times

so? why do you think that's a bad thing and/or scummy? why wouldn't i react to votes on me and why wouldn't i want to survive (as any alignment, really, but especially as town in the situation we're in at the moment)?

i'm being about as transparent as i get so if you're not reading me as town here, you'll never read me as town in any game, ever.

[bubbajack8]

saki claims im reading him based on effort when im not.

i even listed all the games i was using

and both saki and you conveniently ignored that. which shows you actually aren't reading what's being said in favour of spouting bullshit

Saki's 5304 against you. THeir argument against you shows you were misrepping them

i'm guessing this is just another example of you not actually reading what's going on and/or ignoring the reality of the situation in favour of calling me scum. grats.

Situation: You try to meta scum read Saki.
Saki completly and utterly destroys your case

because you were only using games that fit your needs.

That's called a misrep. You tried to fit some games to fit what you were saying and ignored the others.

See bolded in both quotes.

saki claims im reading him based on effort

when im not. i even listed all the games i was using and both saki and you conveniently ignored that. which shows you actually aren't reading what's being said in favour of spouting bullshit

trying to figure stuff out

= effort

if not, then why is openly trolling town in Xenogears town-me
and me giving my opinion on several players in this game scum-me

This quote says otherwise.

muffin are you seriously bringing up a meta case against me
that's tl;dr Saki is useful as town and useless as scum

when you were in O525 and Xenogears and saw me do the exact opposite?

This is you bringing up meta case and Saki destroying it.

Saki: "Don't bother doing posting anything because it will be useless and everyone's scum"

bubba if you're looking for misrep look no further

Yeah. Definitely.

@MafiaSSK

: That's a lot of null for a 218 page game.

[zMuffinMan]

i listed like... every game i've played with saki. how is that only using games that "fit my needs"?

and no, "trying to figure stuff out" is different to effort. take xenogears, where he claims he was openly trolling. one of the first things he did there was unvote someone and ask for explanations for the wagon because he wasn't scum reading the person being wagoned. and after that, even with his "trolling" he was still trying to figure out what was going on in the game, giving opinions on different things happening, etc etc. that's trying to figure stuff out.

here? he claims he's given opinions on "several players" in this game. read his ISO, it's fucking barren. prior to the very end of of yesterday where he was pushing varsoon's mislynch the only real "opinions" he'd given are that GCBC and i are scum. it took 4 game days for him to give a read on another player. and it took 5 game days and questioning for him to give his opinion on other players.

so no, saki didn't "destroy" anything i wrote. and if you were

actually

reading and/or checking facts, you'd know this

but you're clearly not interested in doing that because you have your own agenda to push

[bubbajack8]

i listed like... every game i've played with saki. how is that only using games that "fit my needs"?

See Saki's quote.

and no, "trying to figure stuff out" is different to effort. take xenogears, where he claims he was openly trolling. one of the first things he did there was unvote someone and ask for explanations for the wagon because he wasn't scum reading the person being wagoned. and after that, even with his "trolling" he was still trying to figure out what was going on in the game, giving opinions on different things happening, etc etc. that's trying to figure stuff out.

if you call LOTR and Xenogears "effort" on my part you can easily say my push on Varsoon was "effort"

so no, saki didn't "destroy" anything i wrote. and if you were

actually

reading and/or checking facts, you'd know this

Lol this post obviously says otherwise.

but you're clearly not interested in doing that because you have your own agenda to push

Yeah it's called lynch scum.

[zMuffinMan]

lol not going to bother. if you read the posts you'd know you're wrong. but you don't care because you're not town

[bubbajack8]

If you read my posts you'd see I'm reading posts. I'm combating you with previous posts. But you don't care cause you're scum.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

So is this game "ur scumstop arguing with me"

[Sakura Hana]

If you read my posts you'd see I'm reading posts. I'm combating you with previous posts. But you don't care cause you're scum.

Do you want me to go through every post that you've shown you aren't reading or...

[Saki]

hmph.

now that I did ISO myself in Xenogears I was a whole lot more useful than I am here

mb


I still can't see how you're comparing this game to say, 519/525 and finding similarities

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I'm probably going to lose us the game and trust the wrong person.

God, my reads are completely fucked up.

Nacho, please explain what you've been doing the past nights.
It Kise slot exists then FoS n them, inventors shouldnt be in the game for this long.

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I'm probably going to lose us the game and trust the wrong person.

God, my reads are completely fucked up.

Nacho, please explain what you've been doing the past nights.
It Kise slot exists then FoS n them, inventors shouldnt be in the game for this long.

[Sakura Hana]

It Kise slot exists then FoS n them, inventors shouldnt be in the game for this long.

SSK is Kise's slot.

[Saki]

Can anyone get me an updated full list of claims?

i cbf to go get my own

[Katarina LeBlanc]

I want to spend this day organizing what happened during the nights, so a massclaim seems like the way to go

Setup is most likely 15-5-1 and we've just not been hitting scum despite our early start. Basically from our pool of claims right now, the only people who I'd want to suspect of having SK-ish claim intention is GCBC, Bubba, and the VTs. We need to shed more light on the actual PRs we have because despite massclaiming we never actually took the time to round down how we're using abilities.

MafiaSSK, what have you been doing the past nights and what has Kise done so far. Can you ask the mod?
Nacho, I'm really having my doubts on your claim because Muffin is sort of being towny looking but my paranoia says to just not trust anyone at this point.

What do we know and what can we account for right now. Let's start with Night 1/Day 1.

[zMuffinMan]

I still can't see how you're comparing this game to say, 519/525 and finding similarities

in open519 you were literally the definition of useless; everything you posted was aimed to distract and/or create noise, and you were providing no game-relevant content - so yeah, i see a lot of similarities in your play here and there

open525 is a bit of an anomaly; it was the first game (or one of the first games?) you played on your VA account and you were trying your best to mask your play. and for a while, you were behaving differently, and i had you as town primarily for the bussing/distancing with regfan. but after regfan died (N1) and the fact you were a saki alt was discovered, you reverted to your usual scum routine where you do nothing useful and don't look like you're trying to figure stuff out. so yeah, your play D1 was vastly different to how you usually play as scum, but all of your later play pointed to you being scum

[zMuffinMan]

the only people who I'd want to suspect of having SK-ish claim intention is GCBC, Bubba, and the VTs

i am pretty sure GCBC cannot be SK due to varsoon and kagami N1. he couldn't have performed either kill. so yes, the SK is likely bubba or one of the VTs (i think bubba obviously)