The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

Desperado · Post Post #2300 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:33 am

In post 2240, PeregrineV wrote:It was a quandary. But, you've been bussing all game, so was hoping you would try to take out the last one and ride that to victory.

No she hasn't. She pushed Jacob to claim and then treated him as conftown, remember? It was pretty important to that case you made on her yesterday.

And Espeonage was Spyrex's lynch, which Tierce had already pledged to help him push through previously. Why would Tierce-scum willingly feed in to Spyrex's tunnel when there was no risk in refusing to indulge him?

PeregrineV · Post Post #2301 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:12 pm

In post 2300, Desperado wrote:
In post 2240, PeregrineV wrote:It was a quandary. But, you've been bussing all game, so was hoping you would try to take out the last one and ride that to victory.
No she hasn't. She pushed Jacob to claim and then treated him as conftown, remember? It was pretty important to that case you made on her yesterday.

Read "Reverse Bus" for more details.

In post 2300, Desperado wrote:And Espeonage was Spyrex's lynch, which Tierce had already pledged to help him push through previously. Why would Tierce-scum willingly feed in to Spyrex's tunnel when there was no risk in refusing to indulge him?

Are you asking me why Tierce-scum would willingly MISLYNCH Espeonage?

If you are,

If you not, then please rephrase the question.

And if your asking me why scum-Tierce would do something, you should probably also ask her.

Desperado · Post Post #2302 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:16 pm

In post 2301, PeregrineV wrote:Are you asking me why Tierce-scum would willingly MISLYNCH Espeonage?

If you are,

If you not, then please rephrase the question.

You claimed that the reason you didn't out your guilty result on Tierce yesterday is because she had been "bussing all game" and you hoped she would lead you on to her last buddy. She had already pledged to lynch Espeonage with Spyrex. Therefore, you must have thought that Espeonage was her partner, right? I want to know why you think Tierce-scum would have done that.

PeregrineV · Post Post #2303 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:30 pm

In post 2302, Desperado wrote:
In post 2301, PeregrineV wrote:Are you asking me why Tierce-scum would willingly MISLYNCH Espeonage?

If you are,

If you not, then please rephrase the question.
You claimed that the reason you didn't out your guilty result on Tierce yesterday is because she had been "bussing all game" and you hoped she would lead you on to her last buddy.

Yes. Who defended her when I attacked her? Who chainsawed me? Who ignored her, who did she ignore?

In post 2302, Desperado wrote: She had already pledged to lynch Espeonage with Spyrex. Therefore, you must have thought that Espeonage was her partner, right? I want to know why you think Tierce-scum would have done that.

Her "pledge" means nothing.

Yes, Espeonage could have been her partner. I thought he was town enough, and would have allowed a NL to happen if possible. But, I've been wrong before.

You want to know why I think Tierce-scum would help lynch her partner?
1. Bussed Jacob all of day1 without actually activating the Jacob lynch.
2. Bussed Shadow day3.

SpyreX · Post Post #2304 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:56 pm

Day 3 wasnt a bus though? Day 3, even if scum, was caught and expediting the inevitable.

If PV is scum this only makes sense if its lylo. So, what'd we be looking at is:

Scum Strongman?
Scum Rolecop
Scum Jailkeeper
Scum (I'll assume goon)
Scum (I'll assume goon)

vs:

Town Cop-Vig
Voyeur
Weak Doctor
Tracker
9 VT

That puts base-lylo at 11 alive
Worst-Case is D3 lylo (D1 T, N1 Scum, Weak Doctor, Vig, D2 T, N2 Scum, Vig). Highly improbable, but there.

In that situation every town role has a foil. I have a hard time buying that.

I have a hard time with PV throwing this out now too to just fall on his sword tomorrow.

Sooo the only situation that "makes sense" on the cuff for 5 scum is PV town which well.

So I need to be sold on PV-scum not lylo making this play

shos · Post Post #2305 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:15 pm

I agree with spy's thought. 5p scumteam in 18p game? That requires 5 scum lynches and at most 3 mislynches. Weak doc dies too. Copvig is against town in that he can make faulty tracks. Voyeur only helps knowing mafia roles.

I dun buy it.
I need to revise some more. Soon.

How long till deadline?
Can anyone compile claims list btw?

shos · Post Post #2306 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:23 pm

In post 1763, JacobSavage wrote:I targetted ABR N2,
ActionDan N3.

In post 1764, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1763, JacobSavage wrote:I targetted ABR N2,
ActionDan N3.

Cool enough.

Vote: JacobSavage

In post 1768, Tierce wrote:shos, I need one piece of information: do you have confirmation that a Jailkeeper targeted ABR the last two Nights?

In post 1769, Tierce wrote:And that is the only bit of information I need, so please stop the whole "If I get close to lynch etc." song and dance. Just answer that and I am okay with you keeping the rest to yourself.

In post 1770, shos wrote:Yup
And only.
VOTE: jacob

You need to explain your actions. Specifically, why you targetted ActionDan, the omfgbadplayer. Why wpuld you rxpect him to die?

Tierce's two posts came 12 minutes after the other. PVs acts match his claim.

VOTE: tierce

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #2307 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:46 pm

Vote: Tierce

shos · Post Post #2308 (ISO) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:08 pm

ThatsL-1, 24h left.

ActionDan · Post Post #2309 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:06 am

So time to see if we have a peregrine ces spy scumteam

Plum · Post Post #2310 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:12 am

VOTE COUNT 6:6

Tierce

- 4 - PeregrineV, ActionDan, shos, Cogito Ergo Sum

PeregrineV

- 2 - Desperado, Tierce

Not voting (2):

SpyreX, Elscouta

With 8 players alive it takes

5

votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-03-15 06:00:00)

Desperado · Post Post #2311 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:38 am

shos, what are you even getting at in 2306?

I'm not hammering Tierce.

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #2312 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:42 am

Well, that makes me feel better.

PeregrineV · Post Post #2313 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:54 am

In post 2311, Desperado wrote:shos, what are you even getting at in 2306?

I'm not hammering Tierce.

Then, based on your past voting/posting, you better work hard to find Tierce's buddy you don't think exists. You got less than a day.

Desperado · Post Post #2314 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:59 am

In post 2304, SpyreX wrote:So I need to be sold on PV-scum not lylo making this play

He's a goon, his buddy is the roleblocker and isn't in danger of being lynched. Sacrificing PV (who has had heat all game) to mislynch Tierce and put us into a 4p MYLO of the scum's choosing after PV gets speedlynched tomorrow.

Why do you think it's outrageous for scumPV to pull this in order to control two consecutive day/night phases going in to LYLO?

Desperado · Post Post #2315 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:59 am

In post 2304, SpyreX wrote:So I need to be sold on PV-scum not lylo making this play

He's a goon, his buddy is the roleblocker and isn't in danger of being lynched. Sacrificing PV (who has had heat all game) to mislynch Tierce and put us into a 4p MYLO of the scum's choosing after PV gets speedlynched tomorrow.

Why do you think it's outrageous for scumPV to pull this in order to control two consecutive day/night phases going in to LYLO?

PeregrineV · Post Post #2316 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:07 am

In post 2314, Desperado wrote:
In post 2304, SpyreX wrote:So I need to be sold on PV-scum not lylo making this play
He's a goon, his buddy is the roleblocker and isn't in danger of being lynched. Sacrificing PV (who has had heat all game) to mislynch Tierce and put us into a 4p MYLO of the scum's choosing after PV gets speedlynched tomorrow.

Why do you think it's outrageous for scumPV to pull this in order to control two consecutive day/night phases going in to LYLO?

There's so much wrong with this that others can address it.

While they do, and since you agree two scum left, then who is the last when Tierce flips scum? If I flip scum?

Desperado · Post Post #2317 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:09 am

In post 2316, PeregrineV wrote:There's so much wrong with this that others can address it.

It's you and CES. Tierce is town.

PeregrineV · Post Post #2318 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:11 am

In post 2317, Desperado wrote:
In post 2316, PeregrineV wrote:There's so much wrong with this that others can address it.

It's you and CES. Tierce is town.

So you refuse the answer the question "Who is Tierce's buddy if she flips scum?"?

Consider it a thought experiment.

Also, considering your previous proclamations, you'll understand if I don't believe you over the mod.

Spoiler:

Desperado · Post Post #2319 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:22 am

In post 2318, PeregrineV wrote:So you refuse the answer the question "Who is Tierce's buddy if she flips scum?"?

If she flips scum I'll have plenty of time to ponder it tomorrow.

Elscouta · Post Post #2320 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:43 am

Hammering Tierce in one hour

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #2321 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:56 am

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PeregrineV · Post Post #2322 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:45 am

In post 2304, SpyreX wrote:Day 3 wasnt a bus though? Day 3, even if scum, was caught and expediting the inevitable.

If PV is scum this only makes sense if its lylo. So, what'd we be looking at is:

Scum Strongman?
Scum Rolecop
Scum Jailkeeper
Scum (I'll assume goon)
Scum (I'll assume goon)

vs:

Town Cop-Vig
Voyeur
Weak Doctor
Tracker
9 VT

That puts base-lylo at 11 alive
Worst-Case is D3 lylo (D1 T, N1 Scum, Weak Doctor, Vig, D2 T, N2 Scum, Vig). Highly improbable, but there.

In that situation every town role has a foil. I have a hard time buying that.

I have a hard time with PV throwing this out now too to just fall on his sword tomorrow.

Sooo the only situation that "makes sense" on the cuff for 5 scum is PV town which well.

So I need to be sold on PV-scum not lylo making this play

In post 2320, Elscouta wrote:
Hammering Tierce in one hour

Looks like it's up to one of you two to hammer.

Elscouta · Post Post #2323 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:57 am

Vote: Tierce

I take no responsbility from this, one way or another.

PeregrineV · Post Post #2324 (ISO) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:59 am

Pretty sure Tierce will flip goon, so JK/?? is still out there.