Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[pieguyn]

Also, if sakura is town, which I'm about 50-50 on, I take great pride that her supposed perfect ability to read me isn''t worth the paper she writes it on.

AtF so soon? Thanks for proving me right.

Katarina this is a theory point so plz sheep me on this. we leave bubba alive for now bc of the parity. we don't gain anything at all from lynching bubba today although if he shoots town we lynch the fuck out of him tomorrow

[Katarina LeBlanc]

But he will shoot town, you in particular.

Plus I'd go for Sakura first over GCBC

[zMuffinMan]

why don't you wanna lynch GCBC?

i still have the same issues with gcbc i've had for a while but i see glimpses of things that look townish from time to time. i don't see that from saki (like, at all) and bubba stopped caring about doing anything remotely town a long time ago

Wasnt Varsoon roleblocked by Kagami though

no

i went over this before posts disappeared. at the very end of the day before kagami died, i specifically asked kagami about her role + varsoon's role and she said she asked the mod and varsoon's role worked before her role so she would be redirected by varsoon. also varsoon mentioned he'd have been notified if he had been blocked

varsoon redirected kagami to GCBC -> GCBC was rolestopped and roleblocked N1 -> GCBC couldn't have performed either of the N1 kills. it doesn't say anything about whether or not he's mafia (since they obviously had the ninja perform the kill N1) but it does rule out him being responsible for the other kill (i.e. he's not SK)

what if there's a scum roleblocker and he blocked Varsoon?

even if there is a scum roleblocker in this game, i don't think varsoon was a likely target for roleblocking and he said he would have been notified if he'd been blocked

[zMuffinMan]

actually there were a couple of things i wanted to go back and look at. prob won't have time for this til after sleep though

Unvote

[zMuffinMan]

GCBC is a lynch that
1. gives us a metric fuckton of information about the setup and which claims are real vs. fake,
2. has a decent chance at flipping scum,
3. and is someone who would have had to be PL'ed anyway.

also i see these points and agree with them to some extent but holy shit look at what saki's been doing this game

[zMuffinMan]

that reminds me

So does whoever sent me the musical serenade last night care to chime in?

hey Cabd Sakura claims she didn't get whatever gift you sent her

I'm aware. You'll see why in a bit.

what was this about?

cabd

[bubbajack8]

Pie. I'm getting tired of telling you. I'm not the fucking SK! You're going to look like a dumbass when I flip what I FUCKING claimed. Jeez dude.

And since you can't get it through your thick fucking skull, if I was the SK WOULDNT I WANT SCUM DEAD.

[Yukari Yakumo]

Nachomamma8 and Saki has been prodded.
Yours truly also has been prodded.

[Yukari Yakumo]

VC 5.03

zMuffinMan (L-4):

bubbajack8 | Saki

GoodCop_BadCop (L-3):

MafiaSSK | ActionDan | pieguyn

Saki (L-3):

Nachomamma8 | Saskura Hana | GoodCop_BadCop

bubbajack8 (L-4):

Katarina LeBlanc

Not Voting:

zMuffinMan

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.


The deadline is March 23, 1:00 PM EDT.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-03-23 13:00:00)

mod: does a 1-shot role who uses their shot and gets roleblocked lose their shot, or keep it?

Squirtle

[Nachomamma8]

Three votes on Saki all without reasoning? Something smells fishy here.

I don't necessarily think that a whole lot of reasoning needs to be put out in order to lynch Saki at this point. No matter which way you split the playerlist, Saki always ends up being in the sections of scumminess, and he usually ends up there regardless of your parameters of what is scummy and what is townie. His predecessor also didn't really do anything of note or anything even close to being of note, his role does nothing to add to his towniness... defusing the wagon because people aren't reasoning why someone should be lynched when they're really the defacto lynch at this point doesn't exactly help anyone. But if you really need a reason to lynch Saki, here's what set today's lynch in stone for me recently:

I can't even tell scum apart from town atm because all you guys want to do is lynch the single most useless/hated person around instead of actually looking for scum based off 5000+ pages and role madness.

Saki is generally comfortable in having an anti-town playstyle, generally brags about an antitown playstyle, and when people threaten him with lynches he usually shrugs them off because he truly doesn't give a shit. When he is scum, there's this tiny tiny survivalistic edge that comes out from time to time, and came out here in him trying to blame lack of reads on people trying to lynch him, which is absolute bullshit.

Nacho, please explain what you've been doing the past nights.

I've been waiting until GiF sends me the 24 hour warning PM and then asking him what random number he picked for me. Last two nights, I targeted ActionDan and GCBC, I think.

I'm really having my doubts on your claim because Muffin is sort of being towny looking

What does Muffin's alignment have to do with mine?

Among those, GCBC just doesn't really fit as town. As much as I'd hate to be a major hypocrite, that would mean him and Sakura would be scumbuddies.

Also not understanding where this came from.

How is 5467 an example of Bubba not actually reading anything? You sound like a broken record Muffin.

He gave the rolecop to Jaqen. He didn't rolecop Jaqen. If Bubba read a little more closely, he would have understood that bit or he would have had more problems than just the rolecop Jaqen claim.

he was pushing a 16-4-1 in a setup spec post earlier despite the fact if he's town bulletproof there's almost certainly 5 scum. and I think if he was town here, he'd realize that

What does this mean, exactly?

@zmuffin and Nacho why don't you wanna lynch GCBC?

Fatalism seems pretty real.

btw, I hate the idea of a saki lynch right now. it feels like I'm walking into a trap

vote: GCBC

this additionally is really really stupid

[ActionDan]

I think GCBC's fatalism is designed to keep a select few people (hint: Nacho) from voting him.

[bubbajack8]

I think AD's kill guilty was well planned to keep everyone from lynching him.

[MafiaSSK]

Three votes on Saki all without reasoning? Something smells fishy here.

I don't necessarily think that a whole lot of reasoning needs to be put out in order to lynch Saki at this point. No matter which way you split the playerlist, Saki always ends up being in the sections of scumminess, and he usually ends up there regardless of your parameters of what is scummy and what is townie. His predecessor also didn't really do anything of note or anything even close to being of note, his role does nothing to add to his towniness... defusing the wagon because people aren't reasoning why someone should be lynched when they're really the defacto lynch at this point doesn't exactly help anyone. But if you really need a reason to lynch Saki, here's what set today's lynch in stone for me recently:

I can't even tell scum apart from town atm because all you guys want to do is lynch the single most useless/hated person around instead of actually looking for scum based off 5000+ pages and role madness.

Saki is generally comfortable in having an anti-town playstyle, generally brags about an antitown playstyle, and when people threaten him with lynches he usually shrugs them off because he truly doesn't give a shit. When he is scum, there's this tiny tiny survivalistic edge that comes out from time to time, and came out here in him trying to blame lack of reads on people trying to lynch him, which is absolute bullshit.

Do you have examples from other games of Saki doing this?

[Saki]

Saki is generally comfortable in having an anti-town playstyle, generally brags about an antitown playstyle, and when people threaten him with lynches he usually shrugs them off because he truly doesn't give a shit. When he is scum, there's this

tiny tiny survivalistic edge

that comes out from time to time, and came out here in him trying to blame lack of reads on people trying to lynch him, which is absolute bullshit.

I wouldn't describe survivalism and me with the adjective 'tiny'

[Saki]

bah

claim:

vengeful

VOTE: Saki

^^^

i give up on trying to be town hero (claim in mylo and shoot for victory, etc)

listening is just too hard for some people

even if I'm right



btw I'm probably going to make a dartboard with GCBC-Muffin-Nacho on it and throw a dart to see who gets to eat a bullet

[GoodCop_BadCop]

I would love it if you shot at us. BRING IT ON.

~GC

[GoodCop_BadCop]

Muffin, I haven't had time to re-read bubba's response to Waynegg's gambit but will get to it.

~GC

[zMuffinMan]

i don't believe that claim

i don't think you'd claim vengeful like that if you actually were town vengeful and i don't think you'd self-vote like that either

give me flavour explaining why eirin is vengeful, saki. and explain why you've apparently given up

[bubbajack8]

MUffin don't believe it? Or scared she'll shoot you?

[zMuffinMan]

if we do lynch saki today and saki actually is town and vengekills me, then i'll fucking lol at how bad he played and wash my hands of this game

btw, lol at you not realising that if you were town and AD and i were scum, saki would be like... one of the only possible SK candidates from your POV

it couldn't be more obvious that you're not town

[Sakura Hana]

Except vengeful makes no sense as Eirin

[zMuffinMan]

wait til he answers my questions before speculating about that

[zMuffinMan]

I would love it if you shot at us. BRING IT ON.

this feels off btw

if saki were town and it's 6:3:1, today is potentially the last game day if saki venge-killed town

[zMuffinMan]

literally dunno why you'd ask to be venge-killed if you're town

[Cabd]

Bulletproof. It'd bounce off.