NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Mister Rogers]

Doc needs to post.

[Zdenek]

Man, you don't really get that I'm being sarcastic do you?

Well it doesn't matter cause you're dead and I won't have to worry about it any more.

[BipolarChemist]

Fair enough. At least I'm just VT, yo. I assume I can post until I'm actually dead? At least that's what I got from the rules.

[Zdenek]

Whelp

Unvote

Vote: Gant

[BipolarChemist]

^Ye sorry bro. Antagonizing you was fun, didn't really expect a vig

[Zdenek]

Well at least we know you're town.

[BipolarChemist]

Or do you?! MUAHAHA. No ya I'm town.

[Zdenek]

What do you think of Anxiety's last post?

[BipolarChemist]

Before I answer, it is cool I'm posting right? I ain't fully dead until mod says so?

[Zdenek]

You're not dead.

[BipolarChemist]

You're not dead.

...was that a fake shot? Or are you just trying to get my hopes up?

[Mister Rogers]

Although I would be up for wagoning Luca, not for Luca's solitary Doc vote (that's null), for defending bjc while leaving room for doubt with "but it could be some sort of ridiculous

buff

"

I think he's an avid gamer.

lol sorry.

Town-wide analysis post soon .

[Zdenek]

You're not dead.

...was that a fake shot? Or are you just trying to get my hopes up?

It was fake.

Anyway, what I don't like about 4nx's post is that he both Mastin and Gant are scum reading Doc, 4nx is interested in Gant's scum read, calls Mastin's read garbage. The only way this makes any sense is if Anx is town reading Doc, but as far as I can tell he doesn't have a read on him.

[BipolarChemist]

You're not dead.

...was that a fake shot? Or are you just trying to get my hopes up?

It was fake.

Anyway, what I don't like about 4nx's post is that he both Mastin and Gant are scum reading Doc, 4nx is interested in Gant's scum read, calls Mastin's read garbage. The only way this makes any sense is if Anx is town reading Doc, but as far as I can tell he doesn't have a read on him.

Aww dude. I got all excited I could join one of my friends games! BUT FINE, I'll continues on

I gotta do dishes and play board games first though, so I'll give fuller comments soon!

[Mister Rogers]

Yeahno. You're not a player who can read me,

What makes you say this about talah?

This is important and needs responding to.

[Mister Rogers]

If I'm scum fo' sho' - why not get me lynched so you can be vindicated obvtown? Contrary to what you're presenting, you're an excellent orator, so it should be no problem for you to iterate specifics in my "case". You only have trouble explaining gut reads initially as town. You very rarely let time pass where your scumreads are gut if someone asks you *why*, in my experience.

This

personal distancing

is troubling to me.

Can someone, anyone, please explain what the bolded re the underlined actually means; I am having trouble getting the exact point and I feel its important.

[4nxi3ty]

Anyway, what I don't like about 4nx's post is that he both Mastin and Gant are scum reading Doc, 4nx is interested in Gant's scum read, calls Mastin's read garbage. The only way this makes any sense is if Anx is town reading Doc, but as far as I can tell he doesn't have a read on him.

read again plz. I'm not calling Mastin's read garbage. I was referring to how Gant called the reads garbage and challenging him to compare cause I see nothing scummy about the way mastin presented his docread. Also I wanted to shift focus to doc over talah cause I am leaning town on talah and Doc is null for me, and Luca is more involved with the conversation with his vote on doc.

[Zdenek]

That makes sense.

[Mister Rogers]

Unless you're prepared to back them up where a direct question is asked, they're inauthentic.

Like hell they are. As I said, if you're so much as half as familiar as you claim to be with my meta, you'd know: scum-me can justify literally any read

specifically because they're faked

. Rather, because a scum me already knows the answer, I can fill in the gaps much more effectively, to present a clearer train of thought. So much so, that literally every single game where I was logically in the superior was a scumgame, and essentially every "guys, just...trust me, okay?" game is town.

@Talah: You didn't respond to this point. Is Mastin correct here?

[projectmatt]

Unvote

Aww man, BipolarChemist is most likely town

[talah]

If I'm scum fo' sho' - why not get me lynched so you can be vindicated obvtown? Contrary to what you're presenting, you're an excellent orator, so it should be no problem for you to iterate specifics in my "case". You only have trouble explaining gut reads initially as town. You very rarely let time pass where your scumreads are gut if someone asks you *why*, in my experience.

This

personal distancing

is troubling to me.

Can someone, anyone, please explain what the bolded re the underlined actually means; I am having trouble getting the exact point and I feel its important.

Should really be me that explains myself shouldn't it? (I'm reading along, I just really don't have time to post much until tomorrow evening.)

The last game I played was with mastin, in a hydra. It was a small game, but between us we communicated fairly amiably and sparsely and managed to pretty much align reads and identify the scumteam with pretty decent accuracy. The last two large games I'd played before that (including Gundam SEED) had mastin in them. In Gundam particularly, mastin was dayvigged by scum on Day 1 and I spent much of the remainder of the day trying to scream down a lynch on the vig. mastin *ranted* in the dead thread about how he liked my play and that people should be listening to me.

So I feel like at least we have an amiable connection to the point where if mastin's town, I'd like to work with her, and I'd think that she'd be far more cautious and wanting to determine my alignment rather than just dropping a vote on me and then telling me I know virtually nothing about her.

So anyway, that's it. I feel like I'm getting overinvested in this line of thinking and it's clouding my judgement so I'm just going to note my scumread on mastin and keep sorting through other reads.

Edit: Mister, I'm not tackling mastin on a meta argument because I'm not an expert on mastin-meta and frankly don't have the time to take it to ffery/cabd-like levels which would be the only level I'd actually be comfortable saying 'well, this is statistically significant'. That's not my issue, and the post you quoted is not something I can argue with because

I don't know

. My issue is

what *I* know of mastin

, and the difference here in this game. And as mentioned just above I feel like I want to *not* get involved in a shitfight about it when I could be spending time thinking about players' motivations.

[SnowStorm]

Bad logic is anti-town, therefore scum. Good logic is anti-town, therefore increased probability of being scum.

This. doesn't make any sense. Anyway, you didn't answer my question. Why/How does bjc's joke improve his chances of being evil?

As for the other point you make about RVS vs post-RVS stuff - there is no clear line in the sand between these two as people would like to believe. I play to my win condition from the first post I make - RVS or otherwise. No post is off-limits for analysis.

Well, I agree that RVS stuff shouldn't be disregarded. But I want to know why you think this particular RVS post is more important/relevant than the rest. Because I don't think it is.

[Mister Rogers]

Are you interested in why I think it's multi-scum based on your one post? Because I have a clear though process on that, too.

Well I'm certainly interested.

@Talah: I am going to ask that you come forth with the details of your assertion unless you want to state that you were wrong.

[Mister Rogers]

Ok, reading your post above, I will modify to:

If there is a significant chance you could be right.

[Mister Rogers]

Yeah, you're scum. This line of thought simply doesn't come from a town player. Town player? "Why do you think Rogers is town? Why do you think I'm scum?" Scum player? "Why do you think our interactions are town vs. scum?" (Making an assumption that interactions have anything to do with the read. They might contribute to the overall picture, but are largely irrelevant.) "...Also, he unvoted me; surely that makes him either scum or wrong." (That's essentially what talah's saying, here.)

This looks good.

Really? Am I missing something because (no offense to Mastin) but it read to me like a barely substantial semantics argument which would be better suited for RVS.