Newbie 1476 - Game Over

[serrapaladin]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 2.06

Luca Blight (1) - notscience
notscience (1) - Luca Blight
RachMarie (1) - joker443

burn_209 (2) - RachMarie, Not_Mafia

Not Voting (2) - burn_209, Jake from State Farm,

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2014-03-23 22:00:59).[/area]

[Not_Mafia]

What helpful thing have you done all game? Drop the hammer on a townie? Yea that is super helpful there champ!

As for the Zivel thing again he made the wrong call but a lynch had to happen or we all would have been fucked. So him starting that wagon instead of just riding it out and risking a no lynch is town in my opinion.

Now you can say "burn why didnt you vote for Zivel then?" and my answer to that is because I knew that people were not going to let a no lynch happen and unless some kind of odd circumstance happens I WILL NOT vote for someone who I think is town. It just how I play.

You're all over the place

Im endless tunneling? lol you have got to be kidding me. I want EVERYONE to look at NM's ISO and tell me this isnt the most hypocritical post you have ever seen.

You say this and then proceed to say I'm scummy later for the pressure I've been putting on people, at the same time calling it weak and shutting it down

What helpful thing have you done all game? Drop the hammer on a townie? Yea that is super helpful there champ!

I have actually been questioning people instead of supporting a wagon on Luca then when it gets reversed on me for the same reason having a ridiculous AtE flip out

Im not shutting anything down and if saying you think Notty is scum because of the GM thing and the Zivel wagon then lol at you for calling that pressure.

"I'm not shutting anything down" proceeds to shut down any pressure on anyone that is not me

He pulled away from the GM wagon once he realized he was wrong. So that right there sounds like you are trying to punish him because he was wrong about GM.

Misrepping my argument, I was pressuring him to start substantiating his wagons

So wanting to lynch someone, which I am assuming you would want to lynch any of your top 3 scumtells, because he was wrong about a call instead of actually doing something scummy screams mafia.

Assume all you want. How about we get some scumreads from you instead of this

Sure Notty started the GM wagon but he was also one of the first ones to jump off and look elsewhere.

I won't point out the obvious and say what you've just implied about yourself

As for the Zivel thing again he made the wrong call but a lynch had to happen or we all would have been fucked.

Contradicting yourself from earlier

So him starting that wagon instead of just riding it out and risking a no lynch is town in my opinion. In fact Id say the majority of people that voted Zivel probably didnt think he was scum but came up with a half assed reason to vote him just so we would avoid a no lynch. Now you can say "burn why didnt you vote for Zivel then?" and my answer to that is because I knew that people were not going to let a no lynch happen and unless some kind of odd circumstance happens I WILL NOT vote for someone who I think is town. It just how I play.

I shouldn't have to explain why this statement is bad

Your case against Luca is weak at best. Ok so what he was suspicious of GM who was NK'ed. That is your basis of your suspicion on him? Because he questioned GM's IC play which was a logical thing to do? Come on guys you have to see that NM is reaching for things and simply bullshitting.

This is you shutting down pressure

His reasons for lynching people are because they were wrong about what they thought people's alignments were and their lack of being helpful towards the town.

Misrepping yet again. Above and below

These are not scumtells, these are just reasons to lynch townies because people like to punish those who are wrong. Dont buy into this crap.

You are tunneling scum stalling us in nonsense talk with your misrepping and shutting down of any pressure on anyone who is not me. You have ignored questions you find inconvenient and twisted what I have said in to any excuse to keep me as your 'scumread'

[notscience]

You're tunneling him

...

Jake what are your thoughts

[Not_Mafia]

I have at least tried to question other people. There's a difference between scum motivated tunneling and focusing on building a case against someone who you feel other people are mistakenly excusing as noob town. Burn is refusing to do

anything

but elongate his AtE

[joker443]

I've tried asking questions day 1 they just got ignored so now I just say something see what people say

[burn_209]

Joker try slowing down when you write the questions. Honestly sometimes it's hard to decifer what you are saying in your post.

[Luca Blight]

I've tried asking questions day 1 they just got ignored so now I just say something see what people say

It would be useful to hear another perspective on the game, so if you could update your reads list for us then that would be great.

[joker443]

Ok Lucas here's what i think
Rach number 1 scum read right now, lurking around a lot, doesn't seem to say a lot at all I think more just to dodge, hasn't done anything to help town really..my vote staying with her
Lucas he has good points but some do sound a bit dodgy so he's 50 50 to me does have a lot of rubbish quite a lot though and after the argument with Gm made me rather suspicious of him but could as just be someone trying to frame him
Jake only just joined plus guy before I didn't really have any suspicions on so more town
Burn thought he was scummy through most of the game not to sure now so another 50 50
NM pretty sure he's town very good towards getting what he needs to know/say
Not sci same as above tbh

[Jake from State Farm]

Whew busy day. Son had the county spelling bee and then state basketball finals. Ive got another busy day tomorrow but I'll be around if anyone has anything for me. I'll be back to normal Monday.

Deuces

[RachMarie]

not actively lurking Joker I have been sick. It is pollen time and due to my BP being a little too high I can't take decongestants for my sinus, just the antihistamine.

And yes Jake is town because mutt was a strong town read for me on D1.

Notty why do you not see Burn as scum? Are you his partner?

NM makes a good case for Burn scum...

[RachMarie]

One more thing,

Joker you think I am scum and you think burn is scum? But I am the one pushing for burn as scum? Do you think I am bussing?

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: rach

[RachMarie]

Jake did you miss the memo? burn is scum.

[Not_Mafia]

Roll up Roll up These are the scum, one from column A and one from column B, 2 for the price of one you can't say fairer than that

A

Rach Burn

B

NotSci Luca

NotSci/Luca scumteam is

possible

but I very much doubt it, It's clear Rach and Burn aren't partners.

Course of action: Lynch Burn or Rach today, if whoever we lynch flips town then we get the other in Lylo, then it comes down to NotSci v Luca in the 3p.

If whoever we get flips scum, we have a mislynch to burn on Luca or NotSci

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake did you miss the memo? burn is scum.

I got the memo you haven't done anything useful, and you have ignored my request that I'm sure I've made now than once.

And yes bussing is a possibility

[burn_209]

Roll up Roll up These are the scum, one from column A and one from column B, 2 for the price of one you can't say fairer than that

A

Rach Burn

B

NotSci Luca

NotSci/Luca scumteam is

possible

but I very much doubt it, It's clear Rach and Burn aren't partners.

Course of action: Lynch Burn or Rach today, if whoever we lynch flips town then we get the other in Lylo, then it comes down to NotSci v Luca in the 3p.

If whoever we get flips scum, we have a mislynch to burn on Luca or NotSci

This is the most retarded plan I have ever heard. How people are not seeing you as scum is beyond me especially after this "plan" you just made. Two possible mislynches is a heavy price for finding out who just one half of the scum team. You want to lynch the two most town players in this game in Luca and Notty and then me who I know is 100% town and its starting to look like people are coming around to seeing that. Yet you keep forcing the issue. Honestly it reminds me a lot of the last game I played where I did the same thing to Thor and guess what? I was scum.

VOTE: Not_Mafia Im done dicking around with you. Not Mafia has yet to have a bandwagon on him in this game and I think its time to start one.

[burn_209]

Also another thing about your shitty plan is that you say it is "possible" for Notty and Luca to be a scum team.....so why in the hell would you set it up so that they both are a part of the 3p. Are you trying to lose the game?

[notscience]

burn's recent posting feels town as fuck.

Why are people trying to wagon him again?

[burn_209]

burn's recent posting feels town as fuck.

Why are people trying to wagon him again?

Because I was an easy mislynch coming into today. Wouldnt take much for people to hop on board (i.e like Rach did) and scum like mislynches that they didnt have to try to hard to get. If you push and make a case for someone to be lynched and you are wrong, then everyone is going to look your way with suspicion. Now if EVERYONE wants someone lynched and the person flips town, then we were all wrong and no one is going to look at anyone with any suspicion. Thats why scum are trying to wagon me.

[Jake from State Farm]

burn's recent posting feels town as fuck.

Why are people trying to wagon him again?

His earlier posts were bad but rach's is worse.

What specifically do you consider good posting from burn. Post numbers or quotes

[notscience]

As for Burn, his defence of himself is weak to say the least, and his voting of Not_Mafia as GM pointed out was also a bit suspect.

See this post right here is what I was referring to. This is where your vote turned from a bullshit just for fun RVS vote to a an actual ok Im going to keep voting this person as scum. You used THAT reasoning as a reason to keep your vote on me and your reasoning was bullshit. Or at least that is how I interpreted it when I read it so that is what I was referring to. I did not lie, the fact you are trying to stretch what I said into being a lie is ridiculous.

Then you withdraw your vote in 102 right after I challenged you in post right before it. Which either means you were absolutely not confident in your vote or you knew your reasoning for voting me was complete crap and figured to unvote just to appease me and then come back to voting me when you found something better to come after me with.

Then I say you were one of my top scum reads then all hell breaks loose and you go on a rampage about how i lied and a gang of other shit.

Now in all honesty as I write this out and actually take the time to think about it I think I was wrong about you being scum. The more likely scenario in my head is probably that I misinterpreted your first post that I quoted, I did question you about taking your vote off of me and that is still a valid question in mafia so deal with it essentially, then you felt "betrayed" in a way because you took your vote off me to give me a chance and then i responded by attacking you again which led to the tirade. That is the scenario I think mostly happened. But to say I blatantly lied and made a post out of fiction is pretty far stretched.



@Not Mafia -- You can call my vote on you an OMGUS thing if you want but that wouldnt be true. It was in the beginning of the game and my goal with that post was to dig and pry and get some discussion other than "here lets bandwagon this guy just because." You have to start this game somewhere. OMGUS posts are a lot more aggressive and dramatic than what I posted. Your policy lynch call is both scummy and illogical by the way. Scum are always big proponents of policy lynches.

@Mutt -- you are super town....keep up the good work!

As for my self vote post I REFUSE to play another game where I have to scratch and claw to stay alive day phase after day phase on here. It takes the fun out of playing for me. I want to find scum not defend myself with every post just so I can stay alive another day. Then once people peg you as one of the popular scum reads, in my experience, your opinion on things and how you interpret things doesnt mean shit to the other town players. Last game I was mafia so I had to do it to give my teammate a shot, this time I AM TOWN so I dont have to sit here and defend myself every damn post. I can just vote for myself, get hammered, and we lose ONE townie which we probably would have done on day 1 anyway.

And his recent stuff

[Not_Mafia]

Can we at least agree that one of Burn and Rach are scum. I'm on board for a lynch on either, I don't really like Rach's reponse to Jake but I'm still leaning towards Burn.

We've discussed the above post quite a bit but Burn was fine voting for Luca on the same reasoning that the Burn wagon ended up starting, then when the wagon came on him he began his massive tantrum, if someone is constantly having to "scratch and claw to stay alive" as town you'd think they'd learn not to flip out and over react over and over again, especially over a wagon based on logic that they supported.

[Luca Blight]

Roll up Roll up These are the scum, one from column A and one from column B, 2 for the price of one you can't say fairer than that

A

Rach Burn

B

NotSci Luca

NotSci/Luca scumteam is

possible

but I very much doubt it, It's clear Rach and Burn aren't partners.

Course of action: Lynch Burn or Rach today, if whoever we lynch flips town then we get the other in Lylo, then it comes down to NotSci v Luca in the 3p.

If whoever we get flips scum, we have a mislynch to burn on Luca or NotSci

You very much devalue your own logic here; you are basing it on the belief that me and NotSci are not a scumteam, yet have admitted that such a reality is possible. Lining up lynches as you are with this flawed plan comes across as rather scummy, and it's interesting how you leave Joker out when I have seen nothing that makes her a clear read either way; if she is scum then following your plan would be suicidal, not to mention that fact you could easily be scum yourself.

Can we at least agree that one of Burn and Rach are scum. I'm on board for a lynch on either, I don't really like Rach's reponse to Jake but I'm still leaning towards Burn.

We've discussed the above post quite a bit but Burn was fine voting for Luca on the same reasoning that the Burn wagon ended up starting, then when the wagon came on him he began his massive tantrum, if someone is constantly having to "scratch and claw to stay alive" as town you'd think they'd learn not to flip out and over react over and over again, especially over a wagon based on logic that they supported.

Why should we agree that "either burn or Rach are scum"? What an odd thing to say, there is no way you could know for sure either's alignment, unless you happen to be scum yourself. You've said yourself recently that you suspect everyone but Jake, so to make this assumption contradicts that point. It seems as though you are scattergunning, and as NS did on day 1 are trying to find a wagon wherever one will stick. You started strongly on me on the assumption that because GM was killed I must be scum, and then were quick to jump on Rach and put her on L-1. Personally I feel Burn's recent posts are coming from a Town persepctive, and my read on Rach remains null with a slight scum lean at best, so I would not agree that one of them is 'definitely scum'. In fact, in a recent post you didn't even have Rach in your top three scum reads, which further renders your post absurd and contradictory.

I think I've seen enough here to UNVOTE: NotSci

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Not_Mafia]

I'm almost certain Jake and Joker are town and I consider a Luca/NotSci team only a very remote chance, also my post clearly notes how my theory is dependent on

only one

of Burn and Rach being scum and as Burn is my top scum read Rach naturally moves off my top 3 list, there is nothing contradictory or inconsistent about this. You are misrepping my argument and massively overstating the significance of a pressure vote on Rach.

[Luca Blight]

Putting someone who isn't one of your scum reads on L-1 does have some significance, in my opinion. How are you 'almost certain' Joker is Town? I don't see how you can differentiate so much between her and Rach when neither have said a great deal this game. Joker has been under no pressure and has floated through, she hasn't done much in the way of scumhunting, how can you be so sure she is Town?

Why is there only a 'remote chance' of me and NS being a scumteam? You seem to being making baseless assumptions and it doesn't sit right with me.