Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Iecerint]

It was just an observation Muffin, you called everyone town except for her, I found that interesting in the least.

If Mastin is someone you think is town, I can easily settle for a Skull lynch.

See, to me, this is the definition of manipulative.

1. The first paragraph frames your response as unnatural and hyperbolic while framing his previous question as being "just an observation" without the subtext that he would be asking it because he thought you were scummy.

2. The second paragraph is like "I think you are so town and thoughtful so I will settle for a lynch on this person who thinks I am scum."

[Iecerint]

I find it a little bit strange that you would not see it that way tbf. It is egregious.

[zMuffinMan]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=18913

this is the scum game of his i'm referring to btw

i think there's a pretty noticeable difference - i haven't read enough of his scum games to make a _real_ comparison though

and i just am not really reading his posts as scummy

i kinda sorta see what you're getting at if i really squint but i don't think it's as bad as you seem to think it is - you're making a big deal out of the "just an observation" part, i think you're reading the tone of that wrong

like he could be scum and i could just be really shit at this game. that's entirely possible. but i don't think he is soooooooooooo yeah

[Iecerint]

OK

[Iecerint]

I think I've played with Venmar before, but I don't remember the game, really. I think he was scum and got lynched early?

[zMuffinMan]

i think you're reading both the tone of the questioning and the tone of that response wrong*

i didn't really get the sense he was asking it because he thought i was scum or he thought it was scummy, more like a cover-all-bases-and-look-for-explanations sort of thing

[pidgey]

Voting for me is not a good vote

I'm kinda leaning right now towards a vote on either muffin or Venmar.
Skull i liked your case because it actually makes sense. Mastin's case is just mastin being mastin. I think you brought good points regarding venmar so yah.

My big concern while thinking of this game is that if there's for some reason 2 remaining scum then we are in for a shit surprise later on. I dont think thats likely to happen so ill operate as if there was one remaining.

Today we have a labor day in Mexico so im free to read the game, which is what ill try to do especially regarding isoing the flipped scum

woohoo

[Iecerint]

Well, that makes me more OK with voting pidgey.

Now I have to actually read his posts ugh.

[Iecerint]

Was Flandre Scarlet already the obvlynch when Gooner replaced in?

[zMuffinMan]

he wasn't *absolutely* going to be lynched but it was more likely than not at that point (the wagon had long since taken off if that's what you're asking)

[zMuffinMan]

(like i believe gooner's vote was L-1 after cabd had unvoted flandre earlier when flandre was already at L-1)

(maybe)

(need to check)

[pidgey]

Icerint goddamn it

[pidgey]

Like wtf would make it "more ok" to vote me for after posting that

fucking shit like that id say as any allignment anyway lol

[ActionDan]

I will, at some point, devote 1/1000th of my energy to this.

that's maybe 7-8 sec of time.

oh wait just satisfied my quota

[zMuffinMan]

why do you think mollie is town, pidgey

[Iecerint]

Voting for me is not a good vote

I'm kinda leaning right now towards a vote on either muffin or Venmar.

"I'd kind of like to vote a player that might get lynched."

Skull i liked your case because it actually makes sense. Mastin's case is just mastin being mastin. I think you brought good points regarding venmar so yah.

"I liked your good logic."

My big concern while thinking of this game is that if there's for some reason 2 remaining scum then we are in for a shit surprise later on. I dont think thats likely to happen so ill operate as if there was one remaining.

lol

Today we have a labor day in Mexico so im free to read the game, which is what ill try to do especially regarding isoing the flipped scum

woohoo

"I probably won't play this game much fyi."

[pidgey]

Icerint- ┐（ ´ー｀）┌ cool case

Muffin- Gut, mostly. Stuff like http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5744241 makes me lean that way at the moment.

Im surprised i have no read on mastin. Maybe I should

[Iecerint]

Well, that's how I read it and why it made me OK with voting for you. Before, you were mentally off-limits due to people saying your predecessors were 100% town, and I was confused by someone (sangres?) voting you.

Then I looked at your predecessors and some iso ctrl+f Brian/Gooner and inferred that people thought Brian was kinda townie and people probably thought Gooner was town mainly for voting FS upon replace-in, with some read decay over time. So I wanted to evaluate the FS thing.

[zMuffinMan]

Stuff like viewtopic.php?p=5744241#p5744241 makes me lean that way at the moment

what about that post looks town? the skull stuff? coz that looks more like keeping options open than anything (and doesn't make a whole lot of sense given her supposed reads elsewhere)

[zMuffinMan]

side note: 3226 is a really weird post if it was meant as anything other than a joke, and even then still seems weird - like she's trying to play to some idea of what she thinks town paranoia looks like

another side note: where the fuck is she and why isn't she posting here?

[sangres]

Sangres, have you always thought that pidgey/predecessors were not that town, or is this getting to PoE territory for you?

We had Brian as town. We had Gooner as town, but the read was going a little paranoid around the time pidgey replaced in.

[Iecerint]

Mollie is ridiculously paranoid and ad-hom-prone as town. It's really absurd. It makes more sense after you meet her in real life.

I trust AP's ability to read her.

[Iecerint]

Sangres, have you always thought that pidgey/predecessors were not that town, or is this getting to PoE territory for you?

We had Brian as town. We had Gooner as town, but the read was going a little paranoid around the time pidgey replaced in.

Oh, I just noticed that you were a hydra.

So you kind of follow AP's read trajectory, then.

[Venmar]

Is Mastin's alignment dependent on mine?

Why would it be, there's presumably only one scum left?

Are you not town reading Mollie because she's the only one scumreading you?

It was just an observation Muffin, you called everyone town except for her, I found that interesting in the least.

If Mastin is someone you think is town, I can easily settle for a Skull lynch.

The second post frames the first one as if it had no subtext, but it obviously had subtext. So he's lying.

Also, ending with wanting to make friends with you is totally bizarre in the case where he isn't lying.

I've read Muffin as town for practically the whole game, it doesn't make sense for me to have a "you're scum i'm questioning" subtext behind what I said. It was what it was, an observation of something I thought was interesting, I do it quite a bit sometimes, so it's not exactly unusual.

[borkjerfkin]

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