Newbie 1476 - Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

I just explained about the Rach L-1 one thing so I'm not going to repeat myself if you can't be arsed to read my posts properly. I'm townreading Rach and not Joker because Rach is more active lurky than Joker who just seems disengaged and I don't think you and NotSci are a team due to the interactions between you.

[Luca Blight]

You have explained your reason for putting Rach on L-1, but I personally thought it was a dodgy move; she was already under pressure having received two votes, it seemed careless to put her on L-1 so flippantly. On the subject of putting players on L-1 carelessly, that has also been a theme of Joker's game. Joker may across as disengaged as opposed to 'lurky' to you, but it seems strange to assume she is definitely town for such reasons.

Just because NS and I have voted for each other doesn't automatically mean we aren't a scumteam; bussing is common in Mafia. You also seem to be ruling out burn and Rach as a scumteam by the same reasoning, and it is dangerous ground to base your lynches on. I personally feel your reasoning has been pretty weak all game.

[joker443]

Rach: Well you haven't been very convincing as to why you think he is? As I said he's 50 50 to me

[notscience]

Can we at least agree that one of Burn and Rach are scum.

No.

[Jake from State Farm]

Can we at least agree that one of Burn and Rach are scum.

No.

yes

[Jake from State Farm]

rach is today's lynch

let's do this already

[notscience]

I don't like it, it reminds me of my stance in 1520 on D2 when I was like "one of PI or Esp is scum but not both"

[Jake from State Farm]

but I am saying they both are probably scum

[notscience]

Nah

I don't buy into burn-scum.

I could buy into rach-scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

and maybe I am wrong about burn but I really don't think I am about rach.

She said burn gave no reasoning for his vote on GM and basically just sheeped you but that is just not true. Go read post 306 again and tell me he didn't give some reasoning for scum reading GM.

I have asked her to make a case at least twice now and she has refused.

I also don't like that she is lurking (sure she says she is sick but if she is legitimately sick she should A. replace out and B. not sign up for more games)

she posted 4 times on the 13th, twice on the 15th and once on the 16th and she claims she has been "sick"

yet managed to make 8 other posts on site on the 15th and 18 other posts on site yesterday.

That is game avoidance and extremely scummy, especially when you have an outstanding request from someone to do something to prove your towniness

[burn_209]

You started strongly on me on the assumption that because GM was killed I must be scum, and then were quick to jump on Rach and put her on L-1.

Which is why it sent off my radar I guess you could say. Any person with a tiny bit of common sense would know that the mafia arent going to kill someone that they could be linked to. If anything I know now that Luca is probably town because of the NK.

Can we at least agree that one of Burn and Rach are scum

No. Absolutely not. I know I am town and Rach like I said seems to be a lazy player doesnt doesnt seem to give a shit right now. That doesnt make her scum that just makes her lazy. Notice how your "suspicions" are based around bad town play, like my AtE and Rach being lazy, instead of being based on scumtells? Thats why I pretty much know you are mafia and am waiting for the others to come around and see it. Plus you keep talking about me and Luca voting for eachother like it is some big point in the game. It was the 1st day where people were still trying to figure eachother out. In fact Im glad it happened because right now it is the biggest reason why I think Luca is town.

Lining up lynches as you are with this flawed plan comes across as rather scummy, and it's interesting how you leave Joker out when I have seen nothing that makes her a clear read either way; if she is scum then following your plan would be suicidal, not to mention that fact you could easily be scum yourself.

That is some town posting right there. Can we write Luca off yet?

You guys want my scum team? I think its NM and Jake.

I dont know why Jake just came in and tried to shut down the pressuring we are doing on NM if he isnt mafia. Why should we all of a sudden move to Rach, who is a lurker, when we have yet to have an actual in depth discussion about NM in this game?

[burn_209]

and maybe I am wrong about burn but I really don't think I am about rach.

She said burn gave no reasoning for his vote on GM and basically just sheeped you but that is just not true. Go read post 306 again and tell me he didn't give some reasoning for scum reading GM.

I have asked her to make a case at least twice now and she has refused.

I also don't like that she is lurking (sure she says she is sick but if she is legitimately sick she should A. replace out and B. not sign up for more games)

she posted 4 times on the 13th, twice on the 15th and once on the 16th and she claims she has been "sick"

yet managed to make 8 other posts on site on the 15th and 18 other posts on site yesterday.

That is game avoidance and extremely scummy, especially when you have an outstanding request from someone to do something to prove your towniness

Or it could be the "this is a newbie game" scenario where simply the other games are just more interesting and worth her time. I can see that being the case more than anything. I mean hell Ive done that before on another site as well. Signed up for three games and was barely there for the least interesting one. Guys scum dont lurk like Rach is lurking because they know that the conversation we are having about Rach right now.....will happen. Again just like NM its a case built on bad town play, not a scum tell

[Not_Mafia]

You started strongly on me on the assumption that because GM was killed I must be scum, and then were quick to jump on Rach and put her on L-1.

Which is why it sent off my radar I guess you could say. Any person with a tiny bit of common sense would know that the mafia arent going to kill someone that they could be linked to. If anything I know now that Luca is probably town because of the NK.

This is such a thing as pressure, it would also be easy for Luca to coast on this line of reasoning, that's why we pressure people, which you seem intent on shutting down

Can we at least agree that one of Burn and Rach are scum

No. Absolutely not. I know I am town and Rach like I said seems to be a lazy player doesnt doesnt seem to give a shit right now. That doesnt make her scum that just makes her lazy. Notice how your "suspicions" are based around bad town play, like my AtE and Rach being lazy, instead of being based on scumtells? Thats why I pretty much know you are mafia and am waiting for the others to come around and see it. Plus you keep talking about me and Luca voting for eachother like it is some big point in the game. It was the 1st day where people were still trying to figure eachother out. In fact Im glad it happened because right now it is the biggest reason why I think Luca is town.

It's not just bad town play, it's outright hypocrisy, misrepping and lies. Where do I keep raising you and Luca voting for eachother and in what context? If you're referring to me saying you supported a Luca wagon then flipped out about a wagon you for the same reason, then actually address this instead of sidestepping it and twisting in to a scumread on me.

Lining up lynches as you are with this flawed plan comes across as rather scummy, and it's interesting how you leave Joker out when I have seen nothing that makes her a clear read either way; if she is scum then following your plan would be suicidal, not to mention that fact you could easily be scum yourself.

That is some town posting right there. Can we write Luca off yet?

You guys want my scum team? I think its NM and Jake.

I dont know why Jake just came in and tried to shut down the pressuring we are doing on NM if he isnt mafia. Why should we all of a sudden move to Rach, who is a lurker, when we have yet to have an actual in depth discussion about NM in this game?

Where has he tried to do this? Also you've constantly been jumping in to shut down pressure on people, either you have to be accountable to your behaviour and stop dodging questions about this or you can attack Jake on these lines, you can't have it both ways.

Rach/Burn looks more likely to me after this post. I feel like I might conf biasing hard at this point but all my completed games have been on the basis of someone being read as noob town and getting a free pass to do whatever they want and I don't want to see that happen again

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok say I exclude the lurking part( I won't), the rest is still valid.

I have seen nothing that resembles scum hunting. I see no major push to get her top scum read lynched. Then she hops onto a mislynch cause nobody voted her scumread, the one she didn't even try to get lynched....

[burn_209]

Notty can i get a vote on NM?

[Not_Mafia]

Begging for votes

[quote="In post 634She said burn gave no reasoning for his vote on GM and basically just sheeped you but that is just not true. Go read post 306 again and tell me he didn't give some reasoning for scum reading GM.[/quote]

The point on Burn was, he said NotSci had "great case" on GM, a case which he had not presented yet. He did provide reasoning along the lines of what Luca said, but he jumped on GM wagon all if a sudden after Not Sci brought up the possibility of GM being scum, explicitly saying he agreed with a case that NotSci had not and still has not presented.

[Not_Mafia]

Begging for votes

She said burn gave no reasoning for his vote on GM and basically just sheeped you but that is just not true. Go read post 306 again and tell me he didn't give some reasoning for scum reading GM.

The point on Burn was, he said NotSci had "great case" on GM, a case which he had not presented yet. He did provide reasoning along the lines of what Luca said, but he jumped on GM wagon all if a sudden after Not Sci brought up the possibility of GM being scum, explicitly saying he agreed with a case that NotSci had not and still has not presented.

Fixing my fail quote

[burn_209]

Where has he tried to do this? Also you've constantly been jumping in to shut down pressure on people, either you have to be accountable to your behaviour and stop dodging questions about this or you can attack Jake on these lines, you can't have it both ways

um it doesnt get much more blatant than

rach is today's lynch

let's do this already

Shutting down pressure and not buying into your bullshit suspicions, thus telling you they are wrong, are not the same thing. Why dont you try a case based on someone that was a SCUMTELL not just bad town play?

[Not_Mafia]

Burn do you plan on answering any of the questions people have addressed to you?

[burn_209]

Begging for votes

She said burn gave no reasoning for his vote on GM and basically just sheeped you but that is just not true. Go read post 306 again and tell me he didn't give some reasoning for scum reading GM.

The point on Burn was, he said NotSci had "great case" on GM, a case which he had not presented yet. He did provide reasoning along the lines of what Luca said, but he jumped on GM wagon all if a sudden after Not Sci brought up the possibility of GM being scum, explicitly saying he agreed with a case that NotSci had not and still has not presented.

Fixing my fail quote

I said he was on to something not that he had a "great" case. I said I did like his case against GM but that is because I thought me and Notty were seeing the same thing and on the same page eventhough we werent. Basically I thought my reasoning in post 306 was the same reasoning in Notty's mind and I said it was a good case because it made sense to me. Turns out our reasonings werent the same.

[Not_Mafia]

How exactly is Jake shutting down pressure there? Shutting down pressure is you running with excuses for everyone when I try to pressure them.

Right now Burn feels like he has licence to do whatever he pleases and ignore any questions he doesn't like because he's been branded noob town, his lack of any effort to be helpful has been excused so now he is just running around being as destructive as possible trying to a mislynch on anyone who entertains the notion of him being scum. Notice how he keeps on bringin up the phrase "bad town play", he is pushing the noob town sentiment

[burn_209]

Burn do you plan on answering any of the questions people have addressed to you?

You mean the questions you have adressed to me? Because I dont see any questions from anyone but you

[notscience]

I'm not voting NM unless my gut feels get worse.

Scum-ICs do lurk in newbies because I did that in my newbie as an IC because fuck scum role pms it makes it hard to post

[Not_Mafia]

Burn do you plan on answering any of the questions people have addressed to you?

You mean the questions you have adressed to me? Because I dont see any questions from anyone but you

Do you have a point here or are you just further trying to dodge inconvenient questions?

[Not_Mafia]

Sidenote: If NotSci was scum I'm pretty sure he'd be jumping on my wagon right now as he could do so quite easily without really raising suspicion.

I think scum is 2 of Burn/Rach/Luca