Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 6.3

[2] pidgey (sangres, zMuffinMan)
[1] mastin2 (Venmar)
[1] Venmar (Skullduggery)

[5] Not Voting (ActionDan, pidgey, pirate mollie, mastin2, Iecerint)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-03-26 08:00:00)

[Iecerint]

It could be that the lack of my whole game context led me to read it differently/inappropriately.

The word "interesting" serious throws me because it just begs the reader to infer what you mean by "interesting."

[Venmar]

It was just an observation Muffin, you called everyone town except for her, I found that interesting in the least.

so now that you see it's an incorrect observation, and in fact the opposite is true, what's your opinion on it / is it still interesting?

Nothing, I wasn't reading the game hard enough to notice you actually had other reasons to suspect Mollie, I think Mollie is

probably

town, and that Mastin or Skull are the better lynches.

[sangres]

Sangres, have you always thought that pidgey/predecessors were not that town, or is this getting to PoE territory for you?

We had Brian as town. We had Gooner as town, but the read was going a little paranoid around the time pidgey replaced in.

Oh, I just noticed that you were a hydra.

So you kind of follow AP's read trajectory, then

.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here?

We thought Brian's reaction to his wagon was town. We thought Gooner's stances looked town though we didn't agree with him on some of his reads.

When we've looked for scum in our neighborhood, and while gooner was in the game, other players looked more scummy: Skull, Aegor (who was SK). Skull has improved. Pidgey has been underwhelming since replacing in.

Re Mollie my feeling about her paranoia is that it doesn't feel as intense and genuine as it usually does when she gets weird about me. It's not as fake-feeling as the one MS game where she was scum and I was town, but it troubles me a little.

Nacho thinks pretty strongly that she's town.

[Iecerint]

Was the extra N2 kill ever explained? I see mastin-SK spec in isos, but no extra NKs other than that one.

[sangres]

Aegor was the SK. He was lynched on day 4.

[Iecerint]

Sangres, have you always thought that pidgey/predecessors were not that town, or is this getting to PoE territory for you?

We had Brian as town. We had Gooner as town, but the read was going a little paranoid around the time pidgey replaced in.

Oh, I just noticed that you were a hydra.

So you kind of follow AP's read trajectory, then

.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here?

AP meaning AFB. In AP's iso he has the same initial Gooner-town, then more uncertain as it goes on.

Also yeah SK was Aegor looks like nvm.

[pidgey]

I dunno Muffin you might have a point in the options thing, but it reads to me as real frustration at a point where it wasnt really mollie wouldnt really gain anything of value by showing it.

[pidgey]

I dunno Muffin you might have a point in the options thing, but it reads to me as real frustration at a point where mollie wouldnt really gain anything of value by showing it.

*FIXED

[zMuffinMan]

mollie is very limited in her options - nobody (apart from maaaaaaaaaaybe you and maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe mastin?) is buying the stuff she's trying to say about me, but even if she somehow gets me lynched, she's going to have to backtrack on some other reads eventually, so yeah i can totally see scum-mollie seeing sangres say "oh i have this worry about skull" and going "oh hey here's a good opportunity to open up my options a little more". in that sense, there is plenty of long-term gain.

[pidgey]

Why are you voting for me if you think she's scum then?

[zMuffinMan]

i lost a bet with nacho

[pidgey]

haha fine i guess

[pidgey]

Anyway i know people think i havent put "work" and are using that as reasoning for voting me (i think its extremly lazy reason to vote for me btw) but hey i guess thats how you roll.

[Iecerint]

I don't think people have actually listed a reason for voting you, really...?

[zMuffinMan]

i don't have a reason for voting you other than nacho is. i actually think you're more likely town than scum but pirate's code demands me to follow nacho (and by proxy, ffery as well) to the ends of the earth, through hell and high water

and i think they're voting you because others are more town

soooooo yeah

[pidgey]

Sangres kinda did, ice

[zMuffinMan]

what saddens me is that the closest i've seen anyone come to explaining their town reads on mollie are iece (trusting AFB's read) and pidgey (gut)

and the closest AFB ever came to explaining it was mollie's voting record is more likely to come from lost town than scum trying to avoid bussing (because ~reasons~) followed by insistence that mollie is town

*shrug*

sleep time

[Iecerint]

AP regularly complains to me irl about people misreading mollie as scum when she's so obvtown and such, so I trust him to read her.

[Iecerint]

Sangres kinda did, ice

Kinda in the non-rhetorical sense, I guess.

[mastin2]

Mod: V/LA for the next week. ESPECIALLY Thursday-Sunday.

My grandmother's dieing. She's in a coma, and fading fast. She's the relative I go to visit in southern Oregon each year, meaning that when I go down there, I'm obviously going to be V/LA, emphasis on the Limited Access. I'll do what I can to keep playing, though.

what are your other guesses

Approximately in order?
You. Skull. pidgey. mollie.

You know, basically everyone not kaze/sangres/Dan.

Mollie's like 95% likely not to be. pidgey a good 85%. Skull about 70%. You're much lower than that.

My big concern while thinking of this game is that if there's for some reason 2 remaining scum then we are in for a shit surprise later on. I dont think thats likely to happen so ill operate as if there was one remaining.

If so, I'd maintain that two of zMuff, Venmar, and Kaze's slot (Iece) would be scum. But, cross that bridge if the game comes to 5 players as a possibility; otherwise, not worth considering.

Im surprised i have no read on mastin. Maybe I should

Your reads and mine are the same. That help?

[borkjerfkin]

Mod: V/LA for the next week. ESPECIALLY Thursday-Sunday.
My grandmother's dieing. She's in a coma, and fading fast. She's the relative I go to visit in southern Oregon each year, meaning that when I go down there, I'm obviously going to be V/LA, emphasis on the Limited Access. I'll do what I can to keep playing, though.

Noted, and condolences to you and your family.

[pirate mollie]

mollie is very limited in her options - nobody (apart from maaaaaaaaaaybe you and maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe mastin?) is buying the stuff she's trying to say about me, but even if she somehow gets me lynched, she's going to have to backtrack on some other reads eventually, so yeah i can totally see scum-mollie seeing sangres say "oh i have this worry about skull" and going "oh hey here's a good opportunity to open up my options a little more". in that sense, there is plenty of long-term gain.

I don't think that I will need to backtrack on anything if I can actually get you lynched I am fairly certain the game will be over but I can only speak into the void so many times before I just get tired. and hoarse.

I had you as town cos of your trolling and from what I have noticed about your scum games they are much tighter, you tend to go for more ananlytical angles in your pushes and your posts overall have a lot more care to them. here you don't seem to care but I am thinking you would have to shake up the meta at some point.

your single focus has no other reasoning behind it other than "every1 is town lulz" whereas you have been tweaking my scumdar for a while now. I felt a few early pings but I usually trust my meta reads until/unless I have a specific reason not to.

but I just realised my vote is not on you and I thought it was!

VOTE: muffina

sangres, I had gooner down as scum but in my notes it said 1 of aegor/gooner cos I found it unlikely that 2 members of a scumteam would be that blatant in the neighborhood qt of reaffirming each others bad cases altho I do know it happens from time to time. what is the likelihood of 1 sk + 1 scum going after me like that?

[pirate mollie]

Mod: V/LA for the next week. ESPECIALLY Thursday-Sunday.
My grandmother's dieing. She's in a coma, and fading fast. She's the relative I go to visit in southern Oregon each year, meaning that when I go down there, I'm obviously going to be V/LA, emphasis on the Limited Access. I'll do what I can to keep playing, though.

Noted, and condolences to you and your family.

sorry about your grandmother mastina

[Skullduggery]

coz, by and large, his tone throughout the game has been relaxed and his play hasn't looked manipulative in the way i think it'd look if he was scum. i don't have a massive amount of experience with venmar, but i *did* look over his recently completed scum game and there's a distinct difference in tone and his approach to the game

he's not the type of player who ever looks obvtown but i think the way he was arguing stuff here didn't look like scum

Pretend I'm lazy and don't want to read the game that you linked. What did Scum-Venmar look like in that other game? What traits did he exhibit there that he isn't exhibiting here?

Skull i liked your case because it actually makes sense. Mastin's case is just mastin being mastin. I think you brought good points regarding venmar so yah.

By which you mean that Mastin doesn't normally present cases that make sense? If you think that Mastin's case on Venmar is poor, what does that tell you about Mastin's alignment?

Was Flandre Scarlet already the obvlynch when Gooner replaced in?

I can tell you without even checking when Gooner replaced into the game that Flandre was obvious-Scum from the very beginning.

Like wtf would make it "more ok" to vote me for after posting that

fucking shit like that id say as any allignment anyway lol

If it's something you'd say as any alignment, then why do you find it odd that Iecerint would call you Scum for it?

Is Mastin's alignment dependent on mine?

Why would it be, there's presumably only one scum left?

Then why would you "settle" for lynching me only if Mastin turns out to be Town? You make it sound like you expect Mastin to flip Town and then plan to push me as Scum after that.