NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Mister Rogers]

@Yates: Welcome to this game man! Supa awesome just like I remember you from reading a couple of games you were in.

1) Its not the fake kill itself, its Chem's reaction in multi-stages that aligns perfectly with his join date that convinces me.
2) I don't like wishy washy votes for the reasons I have stated. Furthermore, the cog-dis in applying the same criteria to someone else as a scum case and then denying said behavior regarding oneself is too much for me to handle and thus the vote. Just verifying, you read his post where he used the phrase, "Vote parking here until more people join the game" right?

[RachMarie]

Sick will respond more later Sinus issues.

[4nxi3ty]

PV, thoughts on Luca? (whose close to being replaced, yet manages to find time to post elsewhere today)

[Mister Rogers]

Ok, applying some wisdom to the situation because I can foresee what is going to happen: I will never get a full analysis post out fast enough this early in the game with so many players.

The following players I have yet to analyze:

Anx, DG, ZD, Snow, Chem, Yates, Mastin, Matt

I will just briefly summarize and get back to digesting.

Anx -- Has a wishy washy voting profile but yet is willing to accuse others for the same thing. Reads like insincere town posturing

scum

DG -- Bad game start re BJC. Over-defensive. Bad game logic. Rusty & R/L issues. Sincere. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt but he seriously needs to improve.

null

ZD -- Very strong entrance. Strong and consistent scum hunting effort. INCREDIBLE FAKE VIG! Helped the town tremendously. I strongly disagree with Talah read but that's all I disagree with; the guy is playing a near perfect town game.

strong town

Snow -- Excellent DG catches with blending & over-defensive tone. Excellent reads. Another great DG catch falsely elevating BJC read. Needs to widen scope but so far :goodposting:.

town

Chem -- Can't understand Rach read; oversimplistic. Good game logic. Totally sincere +town reaction to vig.

very strong town

Yates -- Undigested but incredible game-wide scope. Don't agree with all reads but at least 75%+. Errrm, what? No vote? Meh. I guess there is only so much 1 guy can do at one time. Can't fault Nero here though.

null to town

Mastin -- Terrible initial game reads with Thad, Aptil & Luca. Bad vote switch backpedal. Strong defense post #114 but even this does not eclipse the very bad entrance. Talah seems wise to pull back and let Mastin continue and I will do the same.

leaning scum

Matt -- Reads post #133. Agree with reads except Rach. Noting Matt-Pere interactions. Not voting. Good start that I agree with. Needs more.

null to town

Nero -- Welcome back man. Obviously you will deliver more than a naked vote.

null

Scum:

Rach, Luca, Aptil, Doc, Anx, Mastin

Need to see that Smudge replace. I expect to see some of the low posters to improve their rating. I expect that there is at least one town/null read that is playing a great scum game so far; *glares at Thad*

[Mister Rogers]

Pardon my ignorance but what is MSU?

[Mister Rogers]

Just a quick note. I think I can agree with a null to scum rating for Yates. Now is not the time to get into the details on it because I would like to see more people posting. I don't know, I might be channeling Nero here.

[ThAdmiral]

Why?

Why in God's name should anyone have the same number as town reads as scum reads?

Not necessarily exactly the same, but I would expect at least 1 or 2.

@ mr rogers: wow a lot to respond to there. Kinda sad you have this whole paragraph about me and I'm still only null
It's sort of annoying that most of your reservations against me are based on the, perhaps misguided, belief that I'm some amazing and wise player. It actually made me chuckle a bit. That being said I've found the "lots of scum reads, no town reads" to be a pretty decent scumtell in the past - it's funny that since you value my experience so highly you would so instantly dismiss one of the only reads I actually based on personal experience!

[Mister Rogers]

I've read a game with you in it and you were a powerful and wise scum hunter there; a true presence to be reckoned with. Making scum tremble. How would you have me rate you if I can make a case for you being town and equally being scum?

Are you pushing ZD as scum with me here? I mean are you seriously doing that? Am I misunderstanding you?

You cleared ZD didn't you?

[Mister Rogers]

See what gets me is you pushed on this "reads" issue without addressing the content nor valuing the benefit of that content. I also don't understand why you would even bring this up since ZD is strong town for you now, right?

[Mister Rogers]

Sorry to have to say this but it seems like kind of a wiki tell. Its also kind of strange because scum town read all over the place effortlessly because they can. Which reminds me of a certain player that has posted recently; pretty sure its Pere...

[Mister Rogers]

Damon is town.
talah is town
ThAd is town.
Yates is town.
Rogers is town.

Some others I want to give town reads(snip)

Yup. Not seeing the content I wanted from Pere.

[ThAdmiral]

Are you pushing ZD as scum with me here? I mean are you seriously doing that? Am I misunderstanding you?

You cleared ZD didn't you?

nah zd's good.

See what gets me is you pushed on this "reads" issue without addressing the content nor valuing the benefit of that content. I also don't understand why you would even bring this up since ZD is strong town for you now, right?

Because you are questioning my read of zd

at the time

. That is before he did the fake dayvig gambit.
And I believe I did address the content - Post 201:

Oh and ThAd is literally voting me for scum-hunting.

But you're not scumhunting, are you?

You're just saying so-and-so is scum, and you're spreading your net wide

. I would expect a normal town player who is actually trying to determine people's alignments to have come up with approximately the same amount of scum reads as town reads.

You must remember (and once again this is

at the time

, and I'm cool with zd now) that his scumhunting was just him quoting a bunch of people voting bjc and then saying "I've caught another one!".

[ThAdmiral]

I've read a game with you in it and you were a powerful and wise scum hunter there; a true presence to be reckoned with. Making scum tremble.

God what game was this?
You're making me blush.

[Mister Rogers]

Ya it was so long ago. Can't forget that green emerald djini.

[Mister Rogers]

That's an oversimplification of his play. He had scum reads for other reasons too. Besides he was genuinely reading people not just throwing out reads.

[Mister Rogers]

And look, I mean the whole process that he was going through was helpful to town imo. I mean it is in a similar vein to my Talah case, helping us to get out of RVS -- I mean it was clearly pro-town activity and you want me to believe that the reason you were unable to see that was because of BJC and its true you have given every indication that you are sincere there but man I gave up that kind of thinking YEARS ago because it proves fruitless and frustrating and I would expect you would of done the same thing.

What do you think of Yates querying you on ZD?

[Mister Rogers]

And my town read of BJC with reasons?

[talah]

I never said anything about scum buddying regarding Pere/Admiral. I lean town on both, Admiral more strongly than Pere right now.

I'm not buying the "fake vig". Nor the "town reaction". But I'll have to take a look back to see what exactly irked me about it.

I saw Zdenek's vote coming from halfway around the map.

My vote is still on Doc because I've got no reason to move it unless he answers my questions.

I am 100% conflicted on Mister. I see effort; I see questions; I see pushing the game forward by way of this, and a *lot* of posts. I was waiting to see what was going to happen with the questions he was asking and something about the way his reads are being formed is irritating me. I don't know - it may just be hangover from feeling ganked at gamestart.

And this, is a prod dodge until tomorrow. I have a headache.

[talah]

Although I'm around right now if you want to chat about anything Mister.

[Mister Rogers]

I'm at work so limited access and I am sure I have questions I could ask you but LA

[Mister Rogers]

1) How is your undisclosed alt player doing?

2) You said you noted their interaction

at the time

which was RVS; I can only assume you meant scum buddying? If not, what did you mean? I saw potential scum buddying because its a thing scum can do in RVS (I'm sure Mastin has info about this).

3) Have you been thinking about the multi-ball thing? Is it viable for release? Could you be correct?

[ThAdmiral]

\What do you think of Yates querying you on ZD?

Well my read of zd's fakevig and bipolar's reaction is based entirely off gut-feels. I'd be surprised if there were people who

didn't

have a different reaction.

[ThAdmiral]

2) You said you noted their interaction

at the time

which was RVS; I can only assume you meant scum buddying? If not, what did you mean? I saw potential scum buddying because its a thing scum can do in RVS (I'm sure Mastin has info about this).

Just to clarify here: who buddying with who?

[Mister Rogers]

Meh. Its an RVS tell that becomes valuable later based on flips where both you are Pere are scum winking at each other and saying "Hi!" with a joke. Its not the value of the tell that I liked so much with Talah but the fact that he noticed it at all and thought to post about it; ie critical thinking & awareness.

[Mister Rogers]

\What do you think of Yates querying you on ZD?

Well my read of zd's fakevig and bipolar's reaction is based entirely off gut-feels. I'd be surprised if there were people who

didn't

have a different reaction.

So your read of Chem's reaction is only "gut"? And you expect others not to agree with your gut?