Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

I had you as town cos of your trolling and from what I have noticed about your scum games they are much tighter, you tend to go for more ananlytical angles in your pushes and your posts overall have a lot more care to them. here you don't seem to care but I am thinking you would have to shake up the meta at some point.

your single focus has no other reasoning behind it other than "every1 is town lulz" whereas you have been tweaking my scumdar for a while now. I felt a few early pings but I usually trust my meta reads until/unless I have a specific reason not to.

the tl;dr version - you think because i'm playing a game that is completely unlike how i apparently play as scum, i must be scum

*clap* *clap*

[zMuffinMan]

Mollie's like 95% likely not to be. pidgey a good 85%. Skull about 70%. You're much lower than that.

elaborate on these when you have time

[zMuffinMan]

your single focus has no other reasoning behind it other than "every1 is town lulz"

what exactly do you think is wrong with this, btw?

coz if you knew anything at all about my "meta" like you claim you do, you'd know i PoE a lot (especially when i'm town)

and it works for me, sooooooooooo

[pirate mollie]

I had you as town cos of your trolling and from what I have noticed about your scum games they are much tighter, you tend to go for more ananlytical angles in your pushes and your posts overall have a lot more care to them. here you don't seem to care

but I am thinking you would have to shake up the meta at some point

.

your single focus has no other reasoning behind it other than "every1 is town lulz" whereas you have been tweaking my scumdar for a while now. I felt a few early pings but I usually trust my meta reads until/unless I have a specific reason not to.

the tl;dr version - you think because i'm playing a game that is completely unlike how i apparently play as scum, i must be scum

*clap* *clap*

lemme be a true friend and highlight the bold that you so conveniently missed!

[pirate mollie]

your single focus has no other reasoning behind it other than "every1 is town lulz"

what exactly do you think is wrong with this, btw?

coz if you knew anything at all about my "meta" like you claim you do, you'd know i PoE a lot (especially when i'm town)

and it works for me, sooooooooooo

hey I poe too! but I at least provide more substance to the process

[zMuffinMan]

i didn't miss the bolded; you are literally saying you think i'm playing to my town game and playing opposite how i play as scum, and because of this i must be scum shaking things up!

and there's not really any need for substance here.

sangres and AD i've already gone over plenty of times. kaze-slot is at least not solo scum, and not worth pursuing any time soon. my reads on mastin and venmar are like... littered through my entire ISO, as is my read on gooner-slot. and skull for that matter. like it's literally all there, and just because i'm not repeating it in every post i make about it, doesn't mean there isn't substance.

[zMuffinMan]

and when did you start being concerned with the "substance" of my poe? coz you haven't asked any questions about it, or commented on it, or anything up til now

[Venmar]

Then why would you "settle" for lynching me only if Mastin turns out to be Town? You make it sound like you expect Mastin to flip Town and then plan to push me as Scum after that.

Excuse me? Are you fucking high? I said I would settle for lynching you if we AREN'T going to be lynching Mastin2.

If Mastin is someone

you think

is town, I can easily settle for a Skull lynch.

READ THIS SHIT AGAIN. CLOSELY. THEN COME BACK TO ME.

[Iecerint]

i didn't miss the bolded; you are literally saying you think i'm playing to my town game and playing opposite how i play as scum, and because of this i must be scum shaking things up!

There is no reason for her to say that you match your town meta in this game as scum trying to lynch you AFAICT.

[Venmar]

I had you as town cos of your trolling and from what I have noticed about your scum games they are much tighter, you tend to go for more ananlytical angles in your pushes and your posts overall have a lot more care to them. here you don't seem to care

but I am thinking you would have to shake up the meta at some point

.

your single focus has no other reasoning behind it other than "every1 is town lulz" whereas you have been tweaking my scumdar for a while now. I felt a few early pings but I usually trust my meta reads until/unless I have a specific reason not to.

the tl;dr version - you think because i'm playing a game that is completely unlike how i apparently play as scum, i must be scum

*clap* *clap*

lemme be a true friend and highlight the bold that you so conveniently missed!

I'll just intervene here and say, Mollie, the bolded you decided to bold is straw-grabbing and you look like you're trying to tailor muffin to look like scum if anything.

[zMuffinMan]

There is no reason for her to say that you match your town meta in this game as scum trying to lynch you AFAICT

right

two things here

first, she really doesn't have a choice. she can't say i'm playing to my scum meta because she would literally have to lie to make that statement. she can't use meta against me because i'm not playing to my scum meta. the best she can do is say i'm playing to my town meta as scum (which is what she's trying to suggest) and i'm scum because ~insert reason that doesn't actually exist~ (which is what she's doing). she literally doesn't have real reasons to suspect me so she's going to keep calling it gut or some other such bullshit and keep insisting that nobody is listening to her (when she doesn't have any real reasons to suspect me). it's something for her to do, making noise and distracting and pretending she's trying to find scum when she really isn't.

second, what town motivation is there in suggesting i'm playing to my town meta but i'm scum anyway for ~magic reasons~? do you think it's a genuine thought process that comes from a town player? do you think any of the things she is currently saying look like town thought processes?

[zMuffinMan]

like she's arguing against nacho's read on me, who knows my scum game better than most people - she literally has no choice but to say that i'm scum playing to my town meta if she wants to keep me open as a lynch option.

[zMuffinMan]

also, if you're looking for the scum motivation in calling this my town game but calling me scum anyway, it's because if she says anything else about my play, she's going to have to blatantly lie and then try to justify it. it's easier for her to just say i'm imitating my town game or something and hope people look over the fact she doesn't actually have a reason to think this

[zMuffinMan]

(all that said, i'm also interested in how mastin tries to justify reads here, but i dunno if i'm going to get those explanations any time soon)

[pirate mollie]

and when did you start being concerned with the "substance" of my poe? coz you haven't asked any questions about it, or commented on it, or anything up til now

this is a lie.

I have been poking at you all game and you for the most part have largely ignored me until it became expedient for you to no longer do so.

[zMuffinMan]

examples?

[pirate mollie]

i didn't miss the bolded; you are literally saying you think i'm playing to my town game and playing opposite how i play as scum, and because of this i must be scum shaking things up!

and there's not really any need for substance here.

sangres and AD i've already gone over plenty of times. kaze-slot is at least not solo scum, and not worth pursuing any time soon. my reads on mastin and venmar are like... littered through my entire ISO, as is my read on gooner-slot. and skull for that matter. like it's literally all there, and just because i'm not repeating it in every post i make about it, doesn't mean there isn't substance.

I am literally saying that is why I

originally

read you as town and then proceeded to explain the progression of my read and why i am no longer sure that is good meta to apply but good job spinning it!

[zMuffinMan]

this is the closest you came to "poking" me about anything all game

@ muffina

I noticed that all you are doing is sheeping nacho who isn't the 1 you have been dealing btw and not doing shit on your own wats up wif dat

I STILL say muffina's incessant trolling is town the only thing that gives me pause is how he is playing up to sangres who are just gobbling it up.

and neither of these had anything to do with reads i was giving or anything like that, and you were calling me town all the way through it (not to mention it's just wrong because, while i was sheeping sangres's vote because pirate's code, my opinions on players have been entirely different to theirs and if you were actually reading, you'd know that)

it was only after i said i didn't think you're town that you got all uppity about me being scum for reasons you were previously calling me town. go. figure.

[zMuffinMan]

in fact, those are the only two places you talked about me all game when you weren't just saying i'm town (prior to yesterday after i said i don't think you're town)

soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

examples of where you've been poking me about stuff all game and i've been ignoring you?

[zMuffinMan]

oh there's also brief questioning when i was calling pieguy scum but i answered that immediately and you dropped it so i don't think that's what you're referring to

[zMuffinMan]

plus i also responded to both those posts i quoted

this was quite a good post, don't tell me you didn't read it

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5705332

[pirate mollie]

you have 5 hours to start interacting with me

Just took action, and it's inter. Happy?

somewhat. I just noticed kaze asking every1 if they had a night action that failed in skull's post that post reeked and makes me not like kaze

I STILL say muffina's incessant trolling is town

the only thing that gives me pause is how he is playing up to sangres who are just gobbling it up.

I am not entirely free of suspecting that danny and sangres are actually an sk faction or something I asked them about it in our neighborhood I need to go back and look at what they said but I think it was nacho who was reading danny as town but I am not sure how much I trust that danny is really really good at playing scum he isn't afraid to get cosy

oh look there we go, was it this game where you said you had tailored your scumgame to sangres in a previous game?

it's not me you have to convince anyway i don't have a vote, i am merely a double vote enabler who's forced to sheep sangres or get modkilled

wait what?

you are just now wondering about this? he has been alluding to it all game I can't tell if he is trolling or being srs. every time I ask him about it he snarls and gets snarky like he won't let me anywhere near him. <----- this seems scummy to me but I am following your lead and it is counter to his meta but he was in a hydra that game but now I am wondering how much of the posting was done by muffina

@ muffina

is that a claim or what

oh look here is me poking at you for your blatant sheeping that you only clarified until much later!

every time I ask him about it he snarls and gets snarky like he won't let me anywhere near him

wat

you've been doing it all game stahp pretending that you haven't.

and you are all like "I do not have the warm glow that you guyz do about mollie lets lynch her" with zero interaction and not to mention that you have yet to state reasons

and you never answered my question *shocker*

here is me poking you some more!

you don't

need

to think

liar

LAL

you really don't give a shit who gets lynched do you

VOTE: muffina

cos at this point in the game he really didn't!

you really don't give a shit who gets lynched do you

VOTE: muffina

excuse me for a moment

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I wish people could see why I think you are scum

and I still wish people could.

anyways there are a few more posts but I think every1 gets the picture that I did not lie you are postulating something that is not true so I hardly think that I am the 1 who is lying here! cos like I said I have been poking at you for a while now!

eta: xposts

[zMuffinMan]

literally all of those quotes except the first came yesterday (D5) after i started saying i don't think you're town

and i didn't ignore them coz you can clearly see my responses embedded in those posts, so what did you mean when you said you'd been poking me all game and i'd been ignoring you?

[zMuffinMan]

I have been poking at you all game and you for the most part have largely ignored me until it became expedient for you to no longer do so.

show me examples of this happening before D5, or amend it to "i have been poking you since you started thinking i'm not town and you've been responding to me"

[zMuffinMan]

also define "blatant sheeping" because if you read, say, D3 or D4, or fuck, any day phase really, you can see me having blatantly different opinions on virtually every player in the game to sangres.

i think the only time we really agreed on anything was the mafiassk read D3, and i was the one who was arguing harder for it so if anything they sheeped me.

literally all you need to do to see that you don't have a point is READ THE GAME