The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

I appreciate your continued insults and attempts to bait me, but I'm done.

Have a nice day.

[Ythan]

Looking forward your the overwrought "done" post.

[Ythan]

"Accusations."
"Throws a fit, doesn't respond."
"Yeah but"
"Done because baiting (pained smiley use)"

[InflatablePie]

have you actually read my posts (no one does and since you ignored the last thing I phrased at you...) and/or seen me play in large games

this is leaps and bounds above my usual efforts so stfu

ITS ALMOST LIKE HES SCUM JUST PAINTINT A BROAD BRUSH OF SUSPECTS HE CAN HOP ON? (aka literally everyone in the game I can't remember reck actually having a town read this game like I said its just that damn obvious)


PIE YOURE ON THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO NEED TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON WHY YOURE NOT VOTING RECK RIGHT NOW

because Reck doesn't claim d1 beloved princess as -

ok

maybe

he could but I really don't think he's scum this game. his posts scream town-apathy. also occam's razor

also your incessant tunneling on Reck mixed with UT's reactions actually being reasonable re: the wagon on him is starting to make me think my original AD-bus-choice was wrong; trying to manipulate me into voting Reck is giving me pause

UT suspecting waffles

and

ythan is weird tho

do you have any other reads that you care to pursue besides 'Reck is scum' (gonna guess no)


p.s. Ythan and Waffles shut the fuck up goddammit, you're both town and the tunneling isn't helping anyone

[Untrod Tripod]

UT suspecting waffles and ythan is weird tho

it's a one-of type deal and recent actions (as you can see) have shifted me towards it being Waffles

[Iecerint]

Reck claiming D1 Beloved Princess into my Hammerer claim made some sense.

[Iecerint]

I had not actually noticed the obvious ramifications of worrying about a vig shot as a hider. lol.

[Gammagooey]

I feel like Waffles claiming Ythan's kill for wifom town cred would be really weird but it's technically possible but the "hider" breadcrumb seems real unlikely to come from a scum mindset unless one of them saw something similar recently coming from town

[A Simple Math Problem]

Sometimes I wonder what Pluto does now it's not a planet.

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Your New Gay Overlords

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Fate, Eleven, Untrod Tripod

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Cheery Dog

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Your New Gay Overlords, Iecerint, Nuwen

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ChannelDelibird, pirate mollie, Axxle

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Sir Waffles Wafflington

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eaglekit

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(1) Sir Waffles Wafflington

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: April 3rd @ 3PM Commune Time

[Ythan]

I feel like Waffles claiming Ythan's kill for wifom town cred would be really weird but it's technically possible but the "hider" breadcrumb seems real unlikely to come from a scum mindset unless one of them saw something similar recently coming from town

Breadcrumb unconfirmable obvtown role d1 as scum.

[pirate mollie]

I had not actually noticed the obvious ramifications of worrying about a vig shot as a hider. lol.

okay well help me out here, they are claiming a modified hider but they will not actually flip as a modified hider, but they decided to use a vig shot night n1 not the hider role, they were questioned, they later claimed _____ of all trades and I am not sure how they could have gotten a modified hider role out of that and you wonder why there is speculation around their role claim? the only reason people think they are town is cos of the level of vitriol aimed at me and wow after I was warned by the mod I haven't given them any and yet they have continued on. also the hider action might not work according to them.

and where did ythan insult them I wonder? cos to me it just looks like he is calling them on their bs.

they

didn't

breadcrumb on d1, they said they didn't have enough time but my whole point is that if you have a hider role (or in this case action) and you were actually

thinking

about using that action you would have started thinking about how to breadcrumb early. there would have been a trail of your thoughts and there wasn't, they even said so.

so help me out here, other than the level of vitriol and I am just going to tell you that etl heaped a ton on desp when we were a hydra in the sabotage game in which they won a scummy for, what am I looking at here. cos it does not add up.

[Untrod Tripod]

let's toast this waffle

unvote vote waffles

[Iecerint]

I had not actually noticed the obvious ramifications of worrying about a vig shot as a hider. lol.

okay well help me out here, they are claiming a modified hider but they will not actually flip as a modified hider, but they decided to use a vig shot night n1 not the hider role, they were questioned, they later claimed _____ of all trades and I am not sure how they could have gotten a modified hider role out of that and you wonder why there is speculation around their role claim? the only reason people think they are town is cos of the level of vitriol aimed at me and wow after I was warned by the mod I haven't given them any and yet they have continued on. also the hider action might not work according to them.

IIRC, they actually always claimed X of all trades. One of their abilities was a vig that they claimed to have used on Triforce. They have claimed that another of their abilities is a modified hider that they intend to use N2. They have not claimed their flavor yet because they will use the letters in their flavor name to breadcrumb their hide target (super clever, shows townhydra thinking IMO). They decided to claim "at all" specifically because they will flip like a X of all trades rather than like a hider, so their death, even with a crumb, would not imply a "successful" hide.

If they're town, my guess is that the shot is actually something like a weak cop (cop who dies if he investigates scum), and they framed it as a hider to avoid the NK, then goofed by asking not to be vigged. It's easy for me to imagine one hydra partner making up this plan and the other hydra partner kind of being a dummy.

Though it begs the question of why they wouldn't just delay using that ability, anyway. <--- This is the main sketch part IMO, since they presumably have some other course of action that wouldn't have required them to claim prematurely as above.

[Ythan]

Hey mod would I be allowed to share information with the town after death by using a code keyed to my flipped role?

[pirate mollie]

IIRC, they actually always claimed X of all trades. One of their abilities was a vig that they claimed to have used on Triforce. They have claimed that another of their abilities is a modified hider that they intend to use N2. They have not claimed their flavor yet because they will use the letters in their flavor name to breadcrumb their hide target (super clever, shows townhydra thinking IMO). They decided to claim "at all" specifically because they will flip like a X of all trades rather than like a hider, so their death, even with a crumb, would not imply a "successful" hide.

If they're town, my guess is that the shot is actually something like a weak cop (cop who dies if he investigates scum), and they framed it as a hider to avoid the NK, then goofed by asking not to be vigged. It's easy for me to imagine one hydra partner making up this plan and the other hydra partner kind of being a dummy.

okay I am with you here, ty

Though it begs the question of why they wouldn't just delay using that ability, anyway. <--- This is the main sketch part IMO, since they presumably have some other course of action that wouldn't have required them to claim prematurely as above.

cos they thought that they might get nked before they could use it? that would be my guess.

I isoed them but didn't find the early vig shot claim (I know it is there obviously) I thought they claimed hider after that but I need to recheck cos I was skimming. and I am tired so I will do that tomorrow.

but I don't think that them claiming early unprompted should be a thing cos if I work from the premise that they are town their actions do make sense I guess in a way. there were some other things that bugged me but I can let those go.

when I was trying to look at their's and ythan's recent exchanges objectively the thing that bugged me on ythan's part is why would he think being stoned was whatever it was that he was trying to make it out to be. cos that seemed weird.

anyways off to bed. also ut is still scum.

[Ythan]

when I was trying to look at their's and ythan's recent exchanges objectively the thing that bugged me on ythan's part is why would he think being stoned was whatever it was that he was trying to make it out to be. cos that seemed weird.

I don't think being stoned is bad but there's a reason I don't play mafia when I am.

[Cheery Dog]

Obviously you haven't read the context if you think I haven't explained myself. But anyway since you're obviously wanting to be a lazy bum (and I need something to procrastinate with), I'll spell it out.

Mollie had eaglekit as scum at the end of day 1
She then called them town at the start of day 2
Waffles mentioned mala having not posted in that hydra
Mollie took this to make eaglekit scum again. This was apparently caused by

I was thinking

if

waffles was scum, then the way in which they posted pointed to possible cosying up.

All in all, mollie looking for the buddies of someone she actually knows is town.

1. yes mollie had eaglekits as scum on d1.
2. yes mollie moved eaglkits to town to see what that felt like on d2.
3. mollie moved eaglekits back to scum.

congratulations! you have managed to figure out that mollie is not static with her reads they are more fluid and dynamic and responsive to what is happening in the thread. do you know who tends to be stickier with their reads it is scum that is who which is why I moved eaglekits to scum cos can you remember a thing they have said about another player that is a bit of an alarm bell for desp. he can get pretty dogged things as town but not usually to the exclusion of the rest of the game state.

also I don't have waffles as scum I have them as unsure. I am leaving them up to other people tho cos it is not a read I want to pursue which is why I am pursuing other reads.

most of my reads are pretty soupy and kind of contingent on tweaking the thread of other reads; I tend to look at the game holistically.

Is that the bit I forgot to add in, that you had no reasoning behind the flips of that read.
Although you've kind of added one now, it still doesn't mean much about why you moved them to town in the first place.

But thanks for confirming that you've been looking at waffles as someone you're unsure of, but still trying to pin their buddies.

[Cheery Dog]

If they're town, my guess is that the shot is actually something like a weak cop (cop who dies if he investigates scum), and they framed it as a hider to avoid the NK, then goofed by asking not to be vigged. It's easy for me to imagine one hydra partner making up this plan and the other hydra partner kind of being a dummy.

If they're this, then a breadcrumb at the end of day makes it just as easy to figure out? Surely if their flavour is useful/good then we'd be able to remember and figure out the type of role they are. (although I don';t think I was there for ring of death, so I have no idea what that was)

[Iecerint]

They're a jack of all trades, so their flip would give no indication of what they used N2. We would assume a standard kill.

[Iecerint]

@Mollie

Faraday, you're being a pretty huge dick, because I think my question was reasonable and you blew it off (also, maybe I'm wrong, but I didn't get the impression at ALL that you seriously suspected Reck; also, you thinking CDB isn't obvtown is a scumtell; also, I think you expecting ActionDan to flip town looks fake because ActionDan was FUCKING REALLY REALLY REALLY OBVIOUSLY flipping scum after he'd self-voted), but anyway:

1) We are a JOAT variant. (Seems like Dan would've been screwed if he'd ever claimed, but anyway.) Explaining more would give away our flavour, and see 5).

2) We shot Triforce last night. (Sorry for auto-losing you the game, guys! We mostly believed your claim, but you were a huge distraction and we were too big pussies--pun intended--to go for a flashier kill with the short D1. Besides, you were dangerous with Iecerint's role.)

3) We are claiming partly because it's useful information about the set-up (both because it tells people there's only one scum faction and because it helps evaluate Ythan's role--FWIW, I think both are compatible, particularly given a certain aspect of ours I won't claim yet), but mostly because:

4) Our second ability is a one-shot modified hide. If there are two deaths tonight and one of them is us, you can basically be sure that we targeted scum. (Due to the "modified" factor, it's not COMPLETELY impossible if we're the only death, but I checked with the mods and hides can't be roleblocked.) Unfortunately, we won't flip as a hider, which is why claiming rather than leaving an obvious breadcrumb like, "IF I DIE, TAMMY IS SCUM!" is necessary.

5) At the end of the day, I will post a list of all the players in the game next to letters of the alphabet. We will say something like, "The first letter of the first X-letter word of our flavour name corresponds to our target." If we die that night, the player next to that letter is the person we targeted. So if there are two deaths and one of them is us that night. (I checked with the mods and hides can't be roleblocked, but there's an element to the "modified" that wouldn't make it completely impossible our target was town if we were the only death that night. It's not the likeliest event, but I don't want to unwittingly frame someone postmortem.) This way, the scum can't try to take us out by killing our target.

6) I feel like we should probably be close-lipped today about our suspects to make whoever we target more unpredictable, but it might be hard for us to keep this promise.

I'd say, "Any questions?" but I probably won't answer them. Have a nice day!

This is their claim post. They claimed both at the same time.

Ythan claimed to have killed Triforce subsequent to this.

[Untrod Tripod]

can't we just lynch all of them

can't we all just get along

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

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I chose the wrong evening not to go online for once.

Ythan is town--actually, is MORE and not LESS town as a result of his recent posts--and everyone please ignore everything that Tammy has posted over the past two or three pages.

I am so, so sorry to everyone on behalf of my slot for forcing people to read that. Frankly, I wanted to gouge my eyes out, too. That exchange was completely ridiculous, unpleasant, and childish.

Let me explain what happened. I claim one-shot

modified

hider, and am very explicit that if we're the only death tonight, our target might not be guilty, but if there are two deaths (due to there obviously being only one scum faction) it means we died as a result of our hide. In fact, I'm so insistent on this that I accidentally repeat it twice. At the time, we thought there were no vigs beyond Ythan's one-shot dayvig and our _OAT ability...and also, we were obviously not getting vigged?

Then Ythan implies strongly that he's going to vig us. I think he's almost certainly bluffing (so I'd have never have said anything as scum), but I freak out because I realize what might happen if we die as a result of that vig: two people die. Ythan claims to have vigged us (or worse, is NK'd without claiming). But everyone goes, "Oh, Waffles flipped town. That means they were telling the truth about being a hider, so Ythan's shot didn't affect them. Their breadcrumb target is scum!"

(It actually would have been better for the town if I'd said nothing and risked a lynchable player getting framed, but unfortunately, I have a conscience.)

It should be really, really, REALLY fucking obvious. I'm extremely pissed off that things got to this point when people shouldn't have gone anywhere near suspecting us because of our claim--it involved multiple instances of gross incompetence (some of which was from us). Actually, my reaction should confirm us even more if we weren't already ridiculously obviously town for half a dozen reasons, because 1) I knew that saying that just looks scummy and makes Ythan more likely to shoot us, 2) Ythan won't shoot us if he thinks we're completely NK immune. Obviously, I'm much more afraid of what happens after our town flip than our own survival.

SHOULD I fullclaim at least what the "modified" part of the hide means? Fair warning: claiming makes the role completely useless.

And I double-checked with the mods before suggesting that plan, obviously.

(For the record, Untrod Tripod's opinions and trajectory--to steal a buzzword--this game have all been awful, and I'd find it suspicious if I hadn't seen him as scum in Abarat and known he's not capable of

this

level of engagement.)

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Actually, I'm not claiming the modified part unless people are going to lynch us if we don't. Tough titties. The only reason to reveal it is to interpret the reliability of our posthumous crumbs, and there's already enough information out there to do that.

[Iecerint]

I presume you will be able to fullclaim the modified component tomorrow given that you survive?

[Untrod Tripod]

yeah dude, getting on the scum lynch with you was AWFUL