The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[Fate]

hydra dissonance oh wow how surprising

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Iecerint, yes, I can definitely fullclaim it tomorrow.

(Well, now I'll leave a quasi-breadcrumb that the "modified" component makes our innocents much more reliable than our guilties, so I'm not sure I agree with Tammy's FUCK-THIS-GAME-I'M-SUICIDING strategy when we're at an odd number of living players.)

UT, if it makes you feel better, I meant awful in a scummy way, not a bad-at-Mafia way. <3

[ChannelDelibird]

Hi guys! Busier start to the week than I expected. Catching up ASAP.

[Untrod Tripod]

UT, if it makes you feel better, I meant awful in a scummy way, not a bad-at-Mafia way. <3

it doesn't really, considering that I'm town

[Fate]

my god CDB is town as fuck

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

UT, it's more stuff like how you danced around our claim (which other people have touched on), and also took the hardcore "lynch-a-survivor" stance during AD's wagon. So it's not really an insult to your town play! (Uh, it's a bit of an insult to your scum play, though. .____. Sorry!)

Fate...I'm extremely pessimistic that I'm going to get an actual constructive response to this, but although CDB

is

town as fuck, how did his last post prompt this realization? Also, when I asked you this, it's actually because I actually want an actual read on you--as in, actually:

Waffles are confirmed town fate, they vifged triforce


I had a town read on them at end of day anyway but mina/tammy are fun to not explicitly say that to.

meh I still think some of their posts have been pretty questionable

and mollie says there are still two scumteams. maybe each scumteam has a scum Joat and Mina wants to ride on the conftown status for awhile?

At the risk of sounding self-absorbed, can you elaborate on the bolded? You were pretty vague about it on D1.

I wasn't trying to argue with you about our own posts, as you put it--I'd thought you were pretty town on D1 (also, your ISO isn't as terrible as I though it was), but the Nuwen clear was weird, and I didn't like that your scumread on us seemed to be, "Waffles is waffling." I remember you saying at Goofbash that the way to tell if Mina is scum is if she has any stances at all (that's not true, but that was your perception). I wanted to see if your thought process for finding our posts "questionable" was thoughts..

I would appreciate a rhetoric-free and "I DON'T TALK TO SCUM"-free serious answer, because believe it or not, although it might not SEEM like we'd prefer scumhunting to yelling at people, it's definitely what I'd rather be doing in theory.

On a side note, I'd like to apologize publicly for our slot having a net antitown effect on the game, both because of the claim stuff completely blowing up in our faces (it was supposed to maximize the effectiveness of our shot and prevent us from being a distraction, but it's...um...not working out that well) and all the nasty back-and-forths Waffles seems to keep getting embroiled in. Neither of us deals all that well with being suspected, particularly when we perceive ourselves as obviously town, but I'm frankly kind of embarrassed by some of the stuff coming from this account.

[Untrod Tripod]

well that's certainly an interesting version of events

[Iecerint]

Lynch UT please thanks.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

See...as shitty and scum-motivated as his stance on us is...I still feel like it'd be SHITTIER if he were scum. :/ I mean, he's actually

posting

, for one thing.

[Iecerint]

Wait, you think UT is town?

[Untrod Tripod]

man if only you two possessed the ability to understand that you could be wrong

OH WELL I GUESS WE'LL JUST HAVE TO DISCUSS YOUR FLAWED UNDERSTANDING OF READING GAMES AFTERWORDS

[Untrod Tripod]

I mean I know I'm not innocent of being a bullheaded fuckwit, but JESUS CHRIST your associative tells are fucking atrocious

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

Wait, you think UT is town?

I'm less sure of it than I was on D1 (partly for OMGUS-reasons), but if you'd seen Abarat 2, you'd understand why. (And Tammy felt the same way from her experience of his scum meta.)

Uh...UT, what the fuck are you actually talking about, and why are you taking it personally and pitching a fit over it? Is it over a throwaway line where I say that I think you're probably town but OH SOME OF YOUR STANCES COULD POSSIBLY BE CONSISTENT WITH SCUM? (It's not even an associative tell, more of an "attacking the confirmed third-party isn't something unheard of from town, but for a certain breed of scumbag would be a nice substitute for actually scumhunting and is a good way to look busy" tell...except I'm not even attacking you for it.) Also, if you're going to call that big post scummy for concrete reasons, do it instead of the cutesy coy leading rhetorical statements.

[Fate]

I'm having way too much fun ignoring you and forcing you to trust Faraday's read on me

also its an inside joke between me and CDB

[Untrod Tripod]

I'm having a really shitty week, Waffles, and I guess I'm taking it out on the game

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

man if only you two possessed the ability to understand that you could be wrong

Like, this is a complete

non sequitur

. Are you talking about me and Tammy (lol)? Me and Iecerint? Don't you think this is a teensy bit of an overreaction?

p-edit: *grouphug*

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

I'm having way too much fun ignoring you and forcing you to trust Faraday's read on me

OMIGOD

THIS IMPLIES YOU ACTUALLY THINK I'M TOWN AND TRYING TO READ YOU

CONTRADICTION

SCUM CAUGHT

EVERYBODY LYNCH FATE

(...sorry. )

[Iecerint]

In the future, please do not call people scummy and then actually mean to imply that you read them as town.

[Fate]

yeah there's definitely some dissonance between the Mina who "omigod im sorry how antitown we're being" and the Mina who just wants to troll around in 1966

Just not seeing a plausible line of thought here (I expected a different response from Mina town)

[Iecerint]

Fate made a townie post.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

I'm having way too much fun ignoring you and forcing you to trust Faraday's read on me

If you want us to trust Faraday's read on you, you should be trusting Faraday's read on us. Two way street.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

That was actually half-serious, Fate (although knowing you, I frankly thought it was possible you were town secretly keeping your reads close to your chest). Antitown would have been continuing to try to pester you to answer that question when you were obviously being obnoxious and not going to play along. Also, although I agree with Iec that the thought process behind that post at least looked town, you're imagining meta tells at this point.

Iecerint, I'm kind of confused by this whole exchange and where the miscommunication happened, but:

(For the record, Untrod Tripod's opinions and trajectory--to steal a buzzword--this game have all been awful,

and I'd find it suspicious if I hadn't seen him as scum in Abarat and known he's not capable of this level of engagement.

)

~Mina

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

That was actually half-serious, Fate

Well, okay, it was also a parody of your playstyle and the people who have spinning stuff like that into major cases this game. (I only found that line weird coming from you because you're so black-and-white about your scumreads.)

[Iecerint]

UT, if it makes you feel better, I meant awful in a scummy way, not a bad-at-Mafia way. <3

UT, it's more stuff like how you danced around our claim (which other people have touched on), and also took the hardcore "lynch-a-survivor" stance during AD's wagon. So it's not really an insult to your town play! (Uh, it's a bit of an insult to your scum play, though. .____. Sorry!)

This.

[Sir Waffles Wafflington]

The insult to his scum play is that I'm leaning town on him despite all that stuff, but this discussion is kind of nitpicky. It was miscommunication.