[2] pidgey (sangres, zMuffinMan)
[1] mastin2 (Venmar)
[1] Venmar (Skullduggery)
[1] zMuffinMan (pirate mollie)
[4] Not Voting (ActionDan, pidgey, mastin2, Iecerint)
Let me know if you see any problems.
Deadline is in (expired on 2014-03-26 08:00:00)
the very first post was not from d5 it was like d3 or 4In post 3348, zMuffinMan wrote:show me examples of this happening before D5, or amend it to "i have been poking you since you started thinking i'm not town and you've been responding to me"In post 3339, pirate mollie wrote:I have been poking at you all game and you for the most part have largely ignored me until it became expedient for you to no longer do so.
LOLmollie wrote:the very first post was not from d5 it was like d3 or 4
try again
yep, it really is that simple to abdicate votes in favour of *whatever reason* as scum. I thought at first that you were trying to just feel sangres out cos sometimes that is what I will do to a player if I am trying to sort them.In post 3351, zMuffinMan wrote:mollie break down the things you think i was sheeping sangres on
coz
this is what actually happened this game
D1 - vastly different opinions
D2 - too short to really tell
N2 - pieguy died and flipped town (see below)
D3 - they seemed unsure on mafiassk for a while, i was arguing that mafiassk was a scum tracker and pointing out why his claim didn't make much sense - literally no sheeping occurred
D4 - they wanted to lynch skull, i was arguing hard for an aegor lynch - again literally no sheeping occurred
D5 - i had a poe list they obviously didn't agree with, so i dunno what exactly you think i'm sheeping
D6 - here we are again same deal
if your argument is simply that i'm voting the same people they're voting, whoop-dee-fucking-doo i guess? that is a result of something visible in thread and you get no cookies for noticing it or pointing it out - nacho knows that's what i've been doing since the pieguy flip and he knows why it's happening (he even pointed out to you i made a similar bet in that game you forced a lynch through on him - you ignored him pointing this out). but show me one example of me sheeping their opinions on anything anywhere. just one example. because i know you won't be able to find one. so you're making shit up here.
you literally saidmollie wrote:mebbe saying "all game" was an exaggeration but I know I have been poking at you and it goes beyond "just today"
see my response to this in 3342, 3343, 3344, 3347, 3348mollie wrote:I have been poking at you all game and you for the most part have largely ignored me until it became expedient for you to no longer do so
do it then or shut up about itmollie wrote:if I can move back out of apathy I will see if I can find an example of when you did blindly sheep their reads cos I am pretty sure it happened.
also this is a load of shit to anyone who's read the game. when i disagree with where my vote is, i've tried persuading sangres to move their vote elsewhere; how the fuck is that abdicating responsibility? D3 when they weren't voting mafiassk i kept trying to persuade them to move their vote back there, D4 when they weren't voting aegor i kept trying to persuade them to move their vote there, and D5 / D6 are fairly fucking obviousmollie wrote:yep, it really is that simple to abdicate votes in favour of *whatever reason* as scum
this was a xpost it isn't like it is that hard to figure out that is what is happening!In post 3348, zMuffinMan wrote:show me examples of this happening before D5, or amend it to "i have been poking you since you started thinking i'm not town and you've been responding to me"In post 3339, pirate mollie wrote:I have been poking at you all game and you for the most part have largely ignored me until it became expedient for you to no longer do so.
shifting WHAT goalposts? you claimed you were poking me about stuff all game and i was ignoring you - those are the fucking goal posts and they haven't shifted. you are the one shifting themmollie wrote:how about you stop you shirfting the goalposts and stop spinning?
I read it closely the first time. How does this invalidate my observation in any way? (Bonus points if you can answer this question without throwing a temper tantrum.)In post 3332, Venmar wrote:Excuse me? Are you fucking high? I said I would settle for lynching you if we AREN'T going to be lynching Mastin2.In post 3324, Skullduggery wrote:Then why would you "settle" for lynching me only if Mastin turns out to be Town? You make it sound like you expect Mastin to flip Town and then plan to push me as Scum after that.
READ THIS SHIT AGAIN. CLOSELY. THEN COME BACK TO ME.In post 3252, Venmar wrote:If Mastin is someoneyou thinkis town, I can easily settle for a Skull lynch.
Mollie's been basically largely town the whole game. I may not be perfect at reading her mindset, but I'm still FAIRLY good at it, and when reading her train of thought, it looks to HIGHLY match EVERYTHING I know about how she operates as town and not how she thinks as scum. Admittedly, I could be wrong, but there's also play. I've had no issues with her the entire game; everything she's done has seemed to be (albeit not entirely correct) in mind with a town mindset, in that she's trying to figure things out, rather than trying to manipulate people. Her posts come across as extremely genuine, and overall, her emotions, her tone, everything, all says town.In post 3326, zMuffinMan wrote:elaborate on these when you have timemastin wrote:Mollie's like 95% likely not to be. pidgey a good 85%. Skull about 70%. You're much lower than that.
Everyone here is known town except Skull, Brian, and Venmar. The bit about the Brian Skies wagon could also be important since I said:In post 205, Flandre Scarlet wrote:mastin2
I'm tempted to agree about the wagon on Brian. Also leaning town on you thus far.
Brian Skies
What are you thinking of the contents of your wagon?
Kazekirimaru
If I wanted people to know who I was, I would be on my main account. That being said, you're the only one who really called out my naked vote on Brian. Townpoints to you.
Skullduggery
Yes, selfvote was an option. I did like your bit about getting used to quote walls however.
ActionDan
I'd like to see you try What are your thoughts on the Brian Skies wagon?
Venmar
What made you want to vote Metal Sonic?
orcinus_theoriginal
I'm not really understanding your interaction with Brian. If you don't want someone to declare intent/ask for a claim why did you participate in keeping him at L-1 rather than unvote before anything happened?
With Varsoon, zMuff, Metal Sonic, and Brian himself adding themselves to the wagon, and me saying town/maybe-town/null/town (respectively), and also calling Cephrir out on him WKing the wagon. (Which he was.)Not really liking this wagon. Skull's almost certainly town, and Kagami's got a high probability of being town, yet the other three...not so much. (Which is another reason to townread Brian Skies. )
So Flabndre did mention all the neighbors in this post, but I'm honestly not seeing the issue with that, given that they were most of the active players in the game at that point and there's no obvious grouping. Given that both SSK and Cephrir were off this list entirely, it's quite likely that Flandre wasn't casting focus onto scumbuddies, one way or the other. If there's scum, it'd be in the names lumped in without reason, which we'd know would be either zMuff or Skull. Basically, my working theory is that Flandre only cast attention (be it positive-light or negative-light) on town players, so as to keep scumbuddies in the background. (Admittedly, this theory could be confbiasing evidence to fit the read, but it's a point I want people to consider all the same.)In post 539, Flandre Scarlet wrote:I like Brian Skies catch up posts, they felt genuine, along with his reaction to the flashwagon.
The macmollie/sangres interaction felt like a TvT to me.
I'm liking orcinus_theoriginal's hated claim.
I kinda feel two scum in {pieguyn, mastin2, zMuffinMan} but it's a gut instinct more than anything. But, I feel like part of the wagon on mastin2 is a burden of proficiency wagon.
I feel like there's one scum in {Aegor, Skullduggery}
Town on sangres, Cephrir, Dan, and Skull; Null on AFB, Orc, Pie, and Varsoon; scum on Aegor. Seems important; we know that all the nulls are town. The question is if there's only one scum in the town (Cephrir) or two. I'm inclined to it being only one.In post 1450, Flandre Scarlet wrote:TTNTSTNNNIn post 1445, borkjerfkin wrote:sangres, Cephrir, Angry Frat Bros, ActionDan, Aegor, Skullduggery, orcinus_theoriginal, pieguyn, Varsoon
The current composition of the wagon on me. The disguised policy lynch is amusing, to say the least.