Dark Age of the Law Mafia GAME OVER

[Drunken Lies]

Anti what? I never said you were?

[Antihero]

And with that said, what is your scumread on him based?

because all the stuff i'm talking about (being distant; playing to the setup/flavor instead of the players; what tar probably calls iioa) are stuff that i do as scum and therefore i automatically think is scummy

if he really does have an aspergian playstyle, though, all the stuff i'm think is scummy about him goes into the toilet. it still leaves the less-than-townish EP vote, but it explains a lot of what i don't like

[Antihero]

Anti what? I never said you were?

i sense annoyance

maybe i'm projecting. i'm a little annoyed because when i'm trying to read your slot, i feel like i'm trying to look inside a black box (pot calling kettle black, i know, i know)

[Drunken Lies]

Stop reading my words with so much emotion lol... Honestly, the way I see it is this: if there is any doubt at all whatsoever for anyone about our slot, then we should be today's lynch.

Both Guyett and I have had horrendous events occur,

on top of

being busy with work/school obligations. The timing could literally not be worse for any of this.

I have resigned to just keeping on top of the reading, and since activity seems to have slowed, I've actually had a chance to read a bit here and there. But as far as making cases or anything, it's not happening. I'm not going to go find links to other games I've played with people here. I'm not even going to quote posts unless they are within the last page or two.

I'm going to give my opinions based on what I see and what I think, and that's it.

[Drunken Lies]

You read annoyance in

my

posts?

Maybe. I am at work at the moment.

[Candle Jack]

you know, speaking of PV, i'm really starting to dislike the slot again

talk about someone who fell off the map once they got out of the hot seat

You want I should spam up the thread some more?

yes

please

OK, let's chat.

Whatever do you find scummy about Kingdom? Because frankly, unless you can explain how stuff like 14-16-21 comes from scum, your barking up the wrong tree, Snoopy.

Uh, it's strictly setup-related stuff posted early in the game. Scum LOVE to post that sort of thing to look town, especially if they think a townie will make the same push - IIoA is a thing, you know. The possibility of drawing out IC reactions would just be icing on the cake.

Oh, and while I'm here:

Actually nevermind, nothing has happened. I still really want to know why anyone thinks Beast is actually town though.

My lynch list hasn't changed. Beast/Bertkerb/SoS/Doduo. If one of them is town, then the last scum is in order of likelihood PV/Katsuki/Drunken/Sakura,

though the only one of those that I actually think has a chance of being scum is PV

. If anyone else is scum, then I'll seriously reconsider my playstyle, that's just not going to happen.

(underlined for emphasis)

Even if the votes are there, that doesn't mean it has a chance to go to lynch. I only vote when I either want to put pressure on someone personally, or I actually think that a lynch might happen.

I'm not good at interacting with people, so I avoid doing so whenever I can. That probably means that I shouldn't be playing mafia at all, but what else is new.

I haven't seen scumBeast, and while I can't say that I haven't gotten a false positive on him before, the reasons why I don't think he's being town now are different from the reasons why I thought he was scum then.

PV claimed follower, so we might as well let him get one night action before pushing him again. I'm not really sure that I buy the claim, but no reason to lynch someone who could possibly catch a scum.

KA waffles on PV, PV starts defending KA strongly when he finally comes under serious attack. Hmm.

Oh, and I was just looking at the Lynch 1 votecounts too:

Vote Count 18

Sound of Silence

(1):

Sakura Hana

Bertkerberos

(0):

Misaka Network

(0):

Doduo

(0):

Candle Jack

(0):

Wrathchild

(1):

Katsuki

KingdomAces

(0):

DrunkenLies

(0):

PeregrineV

(6):

Antihero

,

beastcharizard

,

Misaka Network

,

WrathChild

,

Doduo

,

Endless Possibilities

Endless Possibilities

(4):

Katarina Leblanc

,

Candle Jack

,

PeregrineV

,

KingdomAces

Antihero

(0):

Sakura Hana

(0):

beastcharizard

(0):

Katsuki

(0):

Katarina Leblanc

(1):

Bertkerberos

Not Voting (2):

Sound of Silence

,

Drunken Lies

Vote Count 19

Sound of Silence

(0):

Bertkerberos

(0):

Misaka Network

(0):

Doduo

(0):

Candle Jack

(0):

Wrathchild

(1):

Katsuki

KingdomAces

(0):

DrunkenLies

(0):

PeregrineV

(5):

Antihero

,

beastcharizard

,

Misaka Network

,

WrathChild

,

Endless Possibilities

Endless Possibilities

(7):

Katarina Leblanc

,

Candle Jack

,

PeregrineV

,

KingdomAces

,

Sakura Hana

,

Drunken Lies

,

Doduo

Antihero

(0):

Sakura Hana

(0):

beastcharizard

(0):

Katsuki

(0):

Katarina Leblanc

(1):

Bertkerberos

Not Voting (1):

Sound of Silence

(Red = confirmed scum, orange = likely scum, green = confirmed town, cyan = likely town, blue = confirmed neutral, indigo = self. Not voting list added.)

You know what? Maybe EP *WAS* a scum-driven counterwagon. I doubt there's more than one scum on the PV wagon (only one I'd consider plausible at this point is Misaka, and that slot's Klavier counterclaim read town to me), while the EP wagon had a bunch of questionable players on it.

(Doduo sticks out either way but ESPECIALLY if PV is scum. I doubt ALL the scum were on the EP wagon - bet you there's one off to the side, which would mean Kats/Bert.)

you know, speaking of PV, i'm really starting to dislike the slot again

talk about someone who fell off the map once they got out of the hot seat

And now he shows back up as soon as people start talking about him.

And Follower works perfectly fine as a Rolecop replacement.

And new interactions with KA.

They're both scum, happy to lynch either.

HoS: PV

(pseudovote, will upgrade to real vote if he gets more traction than KA)

PPE:

Whatever do you find scummy about Kingdom? Because frankly, unless you can explain how stuff like 14-16-21 comes from scum, your barking up the wrong tree, Snoopy.

set-up stuff that's null? yeah, that's... null.

he may be town, but for other reasons; that's why i want a helpful answer to "what's his meta?"

Yeah, no.

When I first read it I thought he was scum. How did he know there were two ICs?

But, reading is tech, and once I figured it out, there is no way scum posts to the whole town about how NOT claiming, etc., etc. Not just the idea, but how it was worded and defended.

Granted, stuff since then has been less "inspiring", but considering the other options, not a day1 lynch for me.

And with that said, what is your scumread on him based?

Oh hey, look who brought out the escape hatch on his KA read!

And with that said, what is your scumread on him based?

because all the stuff i'm talking about (being distant; playing to the setup/flavor instead of the players; what tar probably calls iioa) are stuff that i do as scum and therefore i automatically think is scummy

if he really does have an aspergian playstyle, though, all the stuff i'm think is scummy about him goes into the toilet. it still leaves the less-than-townish EP vote, but it explains a lot of what i don't like

Meta dive says that KA's playing off his recent town games - he struck me as being more involved and actively scumhunting there. He was clearly town from ISO in a way he's not here.

- Tar

[PeregrineV]

Uh, it's strictly setup-related stuff posted early in the game. Scum LOVE to post that sort of thing to look town, especially if they think a townie will make the same push - IIoA is a thing, you know. The possibility of drawing out IC reactions would just be icing on the cake.

you mean stuff like 15, and scum says 16 because 14 wasn't convincing enough? And when 17 is posted, keeps defending their position 21?

Nah.

[PeregrineV]

VC Stuff

Um, plurality lynch and a town flip. You'll understand if I don't put too much weight towards VCA at this point. But, I expect to see this tomorrow.

And now he shows back up as soon as people start talking about him.

And Follower works perfectly fine as a Rolecop replacement.

And new interactions with KA.

They're both scum, happy to lynch either.

Yes, the subject of me interest me. Other things interest me, but at this point, nobody is offering anything I really agree with.

OK.

Sure.

Doubt it.

[PeregrineV]

And with that said, what is your scumread on him based?

because all the stuff i'm talking about (being distant; playing to the setup/flavor instead of the players; what tar probably calls iioa) are stuff that i do as scum and therefore i automatically think is scummy

if he really does have an aspergian playstyle, though, all the stuff i'm think is scummy about him goes into the toilet. it still leaves the less-than-townish EP vote, but it explains a lot of what i don't like

OK.

[WrathChild]

SoS, why are you town-reading Bert. I feel like the KA counter wagon is scum driven. Slammed at work, I need some time to compare some voting trends from today. I've been trying to lead a lot of different wagons today and want to compare who jumps on who, but haven't had the chance. If anyone wants to please feel free to.

[Drunken Lies]

the KA counter wagon

Isn't there like.. 1 person voting KA right now? Where are you getting this from?

[Misaka Network]

Sigh.

I wish for once we had an IC who was good at scumhunting.

[Bertkerberos]

guys please sheep nacho okay?

our reads have not overlapped much but mostly due to me being AWOL

[Misaka Network]

Ugh, Candle Jack is either scum or right.

PereV would be the perfect lynch right now if it wasn't for his claim, and I kinda doubt we'll be getting anything useful from his "investigation".

[Misaka Network]

Wait, why don't we litmus test Candle by lynching PereV? (or even KA to some extent)

I rather keep Candle alive if he's town.

[PeregrineV]

PereV would be the perfect lynch right now if it wasn't for his claim.

I guess you know that feeling, huh?

[KingdomAces]

I never said I thought PV was town. I just said that we shouldn't be lynching him today. There's a difference.

[Misaka Network]

I never said I thought PV was town. I just said that we shouldn't be lynching him today. There's a difference.

Ugh what does that even mean

[Sakura Hana]

no, i mean this game as a whole

where are you going?
what are you doing?
what do you want out of today?

I'd think i'd be a better target for these questions, you know...

[Antihero]

i already asked you what your scumreads are and you still haven't answered me yet
question's still open, and feel free to answer any of the questions you quoted

[beastcharizard]

I asked if anyone cared because I was hoping that someone would say yes and then if CJ flipped scum we would be able to focus on the people who said yes that they did mind.

I have played with KA before and they do seem to be playing similarly as I remember them doing as town. I don't remember any scum games with them though. I would have to go look through all their games to see if I played with them being scum before.

[WrathChild]

great

so i voted ep because i saw deadline already expired like 3 minutes before i posted, thought ep was put at l-1 only and hoped the hammer would be counted

then i remembered plurality

then i thought ep would get lynched anyway so i didn't switch back

then......... the wagons would be tied with pv having precedence or w/e.

i'm just

going to go for a bit

pedit ok thank you. so if there wasn't plurality my vote wouldn't have mattered anyway

I don't buy it. You killed EP after I TOLD you he was town. Now you are BSing about your vote. Please Die

Please draw night kill so I can live long enough to find other scum by voting Katarina and saying that my case has nothing to do with your scumread on her and you think I'm bussing. Please.

Scum worded, btw.

[Drunken Lies]

and then if CJ flipped scum we would be able to focus on the people who said yes that they did mind.

Honest question: did you seriously believe this would work? Because it looks more to me like using false logic to set up lynches.

[Sound of Silence]

SoS, why are you town-reading Bert. I feel like the KA counter wagon is scum driven. Slammed at work, I need some time to compare some voting trends from today. I've been trying to lead a lot of different wagons today and want to compare who jumps on who, but haven't had the chance. If anyone wants to please feel free to.

Town-Bert's paranoia about the fery head of this hydra knows no bounds. His paranoia about the GiF head is nearly as all-consuming. Based on our prior games, I don't think he's currently capable of fooling us with fake paranoia about fery, and probably not about GiF either.

Though Bert is the easier read of the bertkerberos hydra, Nacho's mafia soul was forged in the same infernal fires as fery's. When he's trying to hit the right notes around her, he's

trying

. When he's town, hitting those notes is very close to effortless. fery gets fooled frequently enough that she's not going to help nacho figure out what the right notes currently are so this explanation is all you get.

[beastcharizard]

and then if CJ flipped scum we would be able to focus on the people who said yes that they did mind.

Honest question: did you seriously believe this would work? Because it looks more to me like using false logic to set up lynches.

I thought there might be a chance. In order for what you are saying to make sense that would mean you think I would be bussing CJ if I voted them.