Mini 1558 - VisCon: Crossroads [Game Over]

[hiplop]

my effort has been made to get you killed man

[FakeGod]

Prodded Who and pieguyn.

notscience is V/LA till tomorrow.

[SXTLHGaiden]

Question, how likely is it that GiF was vigged?

[pieguyn]

pdodge

@EVERYONE: gun to your head, how many scum on the neil wagon?

^I need answers for this. yes I'm going somewhere with this

[Desperado]

2

[Who]

Bait was scummy and fitz is doing nothing to change my opinion.
VOTE: Fitz

pdodge

@EVERYONE: gun to your head, how many scum on the neil wagon?

^I need answers for this. yes I'm going somewhere with this

Either 1 or 2.

[havingfitz]

That's me at

L-1

I believe.  Vanilla town.
 
Town reads in order of strength:
I think bork is town.
I think Kalimer is town.
I don't particularly think Majiffy is scum in which case he's just being a fucktard not interested in winning.
I don't particularly think Hiplop is scum in which case he's just being lazy and obtuse.

Undecideds:
pie.  Brian. 

Scumspects:
Desperado for reasons given.  Also, though I don't have proof...I suspect he is a better player then he has shown in this game, ergo he's scum.
notscience PoE and for my initial read through impression. 
Gaiden or Who for #3.
 
Good luck town...you need it.

[havingfitz]

2

So pretending you are town....you're guessing 2 scum on the D1 mislynch, which would mean a 50% chance of hitting scum from your Pov. Yet you go for the <17% odds off the wagon.

Brilliant

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.3

SXTLHGaiden [1] - notscience
Who [1] - Kalimar
havingfitz [5] - Desperado, Brian Skies, Majiffy, Who, hiplop
Brian Skies [1] - borkjerfkin
Desperado [1] - havingfitz

Not Voting [2]

- SXTLHGaiden pieguyn

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

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Deadline is March 30, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-03-30 13:00:00)

[Desperado]

2

So pretending you are town....you're guessing 2 scum on the D1 mislynch, which would mean a 50% chance of hitting scum from your Pov. Yet you go for the <17% odds off the wagon.

Brilliant

I only think there's 2 scum on there because I have townreads of varying degrees on everyone that was off...except you.

[havingfitz]

2

And last I read you were townreading Gaiden. So removing him from your 2 on the wagon pool...that gives you 66% odds of hitting scum on the D1 lynch wagon from your pov. = Despscum

And a death wish towards hiplop probably means he's next.

Mod...hiplop is voting me

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P.edit to Desp...that doesn't take away from the fact that ~townyou is ignoring the much better odds your own suspicions point to.

I'm fine with getting lynched as long as town has the sense to lynch you next (which I doubt based on current trends).

[borkjerfkin]

^I need answers for this. yes I'm going somewhere with this

Please get to that point posthaste - in the time it takes everyone to answer we're gonna be on D4 at this rate.

Wagon speed is making me incredibly nervous, gutwise - I realize this is a weak tell but this is reminding me of yesterday with the sheeping and weak reasoning and just general lack of interactions.

p-edit:

@Mod please confirm votecount is correct - if no voting shenanigans are in play hiplop is not voting where he appears to be.

[borkjerfkin]

Like any of the lurkaderps (who, gaiden, ns, pie) could be scum and I really have no fucking way to tell right now.

[Desperado]

P.edit to Desp...that doesn't take away from the fact that ~townyou is ignoring the much better odds your own suspicions point to.

No, my suspicions point to you being more likely scum than anyone else.

And I will never be getting lynched this game, so you're probably right.

[FakeGod]

Oops.

I'll go fix the VC.

[borkjerfkin]

Oops.

I'll go fix the VC.

Heh, I thought we had another Frozen going on.

[havingfitz]

2

So which two are scum out of Majiffy, notscience & hiplop?

[Desperado]

@ Bork: The only vote that concerns me is hiplops but he probably decided to bus anyway so I'm not really sweating it.

PEdit: The latter two, at this stage.

[borkjerfkin]

Majiffy's play is not wowing me at this point in the game (neither are the other two in that group though)

Like I like the level of assertiveness and the lack of opportunism from yesterday, but he's completely 180ed on that today and I can't tell if his apathy is genuine or not.

[havingfitz]

PEdit: The latter two, at this stage

Well I'm not scum.
You've made no case on me.
Let's vote notscience and eliminate poor lurky play/~scum.

[Majiffy]

Like I like the level of assertiveness and the lack of opportunism from yesterday, but he's completely 180ed on that today and I can't tell if his apathy is genuine or not.

I'll probably just start killing people I can't read or something.

[Majiffy]

Wait did I just say that out loud oh shit

[Majiffy]

Oh wow we've got like 2 mislynches before possible LYLO this is cool lets lynch Fitz already.

[notscience]

Hi

I'm here to submit more lurky play so fitz has a reason to wagon me other than the blatant survivalism

@Pie- I'll get back to you on that.

You know what's interesting though? There's multiple people with piss poor activity this game and look who fitz calls out.

[Brian Skies]

Why even put oneself in the position to incur that blame in the first place?

Neil was getting lynched anyways, so there was never a position to incur blame to begin with.

Desp called it a meta read so I'm finding it hard for Brian to know what Desp saw

I don't have any working meta with Fitz. And the issue I had was the complete mirroring of his predecessor's reads. There was an inherent lack of original thought and his OMGUS onto Desp looked contrived.

this isn't really a satisfactory response to the line of his 'can't you see there are other reasons to see Baitslot scum?

Desp has already explained the other things he's already called Bait out on: shadowing Kalimar, sheeping GiF's scumreads, calling a replacement post town without any real substance to back it up, etc. So I don't understand why you think people only think Bait's scum for what he did at the end of Day 1.

2. I don't think I'm going to need to to get you lynched this time anyway so QED

?

Brian skies is rubbing me off pretty oddly. He definitely seems to be okay with this nonsense of a town atm.

What nonsense am I okay with?

Question, how likely is it that GiF was vigged?

As likely as the probability of there being a vig in the game divided by two. Also, not a lot of people were scumreading GiF that I know of, so I don't think he was vigged.

Desperado for reasons given. Also, though I don't have proof...I suspect he is a better player then he has shown in this game, ergo he's scum. Also, though I don't have proof...I suspect he is a better player then he has shown in this game, ergo he's scum.

Desp isn't getting lynched this game. His play here is more reminiscent of his townplay in Anything Goes and not from the last two games I played with him (hesitance in pushing his scumreads, ingratiating himself with the playerslist), among other reasons.