Mini 1543--Natirasha's On Parole!(Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

like i even covered this in 3535

because it really is the only angle you can push

and it's hilariously stupid

you're so obvscum

[Nachomamma8]

And you played suboptimally so you could push this shit angle if your partners went down in burning flames.

yes, and now it comes out, the only possible explanation you can push

that instead of bringing it to an almost guaranteed win at D3 mylo given where suspicions were at that point and the fact cabd dying woulda put more suspicion on ssk

you think a plausible explanation is that i predicted some weird shit going down and made a VERY suboptimal play on the off chance it happened to play out like i suspected

yeah

no

you know how i know you're scum, nacho? you would have figured out by now how fucking obvtown i am if you were town

[Nachomamma8]

Sorry, hit my submit button too early from all the excitement.
I have offered a plausible explanation!

[Nachomamma8]

And the way that explanation came about was hilariously town.

[zMuffinMan]

Because not only can you say "I never would have roleblocked Cabd", but you can also truly mislynch SSK as a result

well, yes, i also covered this in 3535

if my aim was to push a mislynch on mafiassk it makes no sense for me to talk about what the no kill means D3 and express suspicion that the no kill was designed to make us paranoid of mafiassk

but more to the point, THIS DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY I WOULDN'T TAKE IT TO D3 MYLO

like

literally

what you're saying is

i could have brought it to D3 mylo in a situation where none of the scum team was really suspected

but i didn't coz LOL i could, if everything played out a certain way, push some angle where i suggest i wouldn't have blocked cabd (which doesn't work unless all his vig candidates are dead except one, so i woulda had to predict that, too)

holy shit

you

are

so


obv

scum

[Nachomamma8]

I PROVIDED AN EXPLANATION MUFFIN

[Nachomamma8]

You could push that angle as long as at least (1) of his vig candidates was still alive, no?

[zMuffinMan]

no, you fucking didn't

VOTE: NACHO

WITH THE FURY OF A THOUSAND SUNS

i will literally not be moving this vote today

i don't even care if notscience happens to be scum

and i don't even care if you're just having the derpiest fucking town game of your life and you're too dumb to see how fucking wrong you are

you need to die

You could push that angle as long as at least (1) of his vig candidates was still alive, no?

no i fucking couldn't unless it's impossible for me to be scum with anyone in his vig list

[Nachomamma8]

Which, considering his vig candidates were two favored mislynches and the guy you were tunneling on to make yourself look town (although I also can't comprehend how you got a scumread on Bert), it was pretty easy to make the bet that someone would still be around to push.

[zMuffinMan]

like if it weren't impossible for me to be scum with you, i couldn't push this angle. if, say, notscience was in his vig list and not you, i couldn't push this angle

you're not this fucking dumb

[Nachomamma8]

like if it weren't impossible for me to be scum with you, i couldn't push this angle. if, say, notscience was in his vig list and not you, i couldn't push this angle

you're not this fucking dumb

I mean, normally you wait until MyLo and you're in a 1v1 with said person, you just got the opportunity to pull it out a bit early.

[Nachomamma8]

Unless you think both people being alive in 4 players or less isn't a reason for you two not to be scum together, of course.

[zMuffinMan]

also his vig candidates were basically you, bert, aronis, mafiassk (if he was including IK's list and was serious about the vengeful thing) so

no, even if i am utterly fucking amazing as scum (and i think i'm way overrated so this isn't the case) there's no way i'd make very suboptimal actions on the OFF CHANCE it would benefit me in some future scenario that wouldn't even need to happen if i made the optimal play

my scum play is all about efficiency with night actions

anyone who knows anything about my scum play knows this

you should know this

that's why you're not town

[Nachomamma8]

Okay.
Let's go through a small exercise.
Who else would block Cabd?

[zMuffinMan]

any team with someone in his vig list

[Nachomamma8]

And his vig list was Aronis-Bert-Nacho, correct?

[zMuffinMan]

and mafiassk IF he was serious about IK's vengeful list

[Nachomamma8]

So you're trying to sell me on an argument for you being town that I

know

is incorrect.

[Nachomamma8]

Like, 100% know is incorrect.
No idea how, but I know it is incorrect.

[zMuffinMan]

let's play a little exercise nacho

D3 mylo where no one in the scum team of {ns, muffin, goodfather} is highly suspected

or long, laborious process drawn out for no reason on the off chance i could MAYBE use it to semi-confirm myself IF everything played out according to plan even though it was completely unnecessary in comparison to the optimal play N2 (making it D3 mylo)

which do you think makes sense here?

[Nachomamma8]

And when I see night actions not making sense from anyone, I assume something wonky.
I don't assume that you who is better at night actions than everyone else didn't make those actions: because I have no understanding of them, they mean nothing to me and I can't judge what is good/bad.

[zMuffinMan]

or to put it simply,

virtually guaranteed win with D3 mylo and gamestate

or

POSSIBLE win after long drawn out process that required certain people dying AND me confirming i'm not scum with anyone in cabd's vig list (which required you voting someone today and me not hammering as well, another thing i'd have had to predict N2) ?

[Nachomamma8]

let's play a little exercise nacho

D3 mylo where no one in the scum team of {ns, muffin, goodfather} is highly suspected

or long, laborious process drawn out for no reason on the off chance i could MAYBE use it to semi-confirm myself IF everything played out according to plan even though it was completely unnecessary in comparison to the optimal play N2 (making it D3 mylo)

which do you think makes sense here?

You reaching D3 mylo.
I think the scumteam of {anyone, NS, godfather} is more benefited by going to D3 mylo, except for me if I'm afraid I'll get shot and think I will actually get away from the lynch the next day, which is still slightly reaching, but hey.

I know what you're selling me is wrong.
I don't care about the why because I know it is wrong.

[zMuffinMan]

I think the scumteam of {anyone, NS, godfather} is more benefited by going to D3 mylo, except for me if I'm afraid I'll get shot and think I will actually get away from the lynch the next day, which is still slightly reaching, but hey

yes

and also any team of {X, you, goodfather} does not benefit from risking you being shot

and i'm the only one (apart from cabd) who cannot be scum with you

we're reaching a breakthrough here

[zMuffinMan]

also i'm not selling you anything

i think you're scum (in case it wasn't clear)

i am making what should be obvious to everyone very, very clear