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[Nachomamma8]

I'm just pointing out something real quick!

[Nachomamma8]

I think the scumteam of {anyone, NS, godfather} is more benefited by going to D3 mylo, except for me if I'm afraid I'll get shot and think I will actually get away from the lynch the next day, which is still slightly reaching, but hey

yes

and also any team of {X, you, goodfather} does not benefit from risking you being shot

and i'm the only one (apart from cabd) who cannot be scum with you

we're reaching a breakthrough here

So this means that one if two things is true.
Either I am scum with someone, or the entire case you're pushing is wrong.

[Nachomamma8]

I know you have a preference for one over the other here, but if you could just bear with me a little while longer

[Nachomamma8]

I think the scumteam of {anyone, NS, godfather} is more benefited by going to D3 mylo, except for me if I'm afraid I'll get shot and think I will actually get away from the lynch the next day, which is still slightly reaching, but hey

yes

and also any team of {X, you, goodfather} does not benefit from risking you being shot

and i'm the only one (apart from cabd) who cannot be scum with you

we're reaching a breakthrough here

So this means that one if two things is true.
Either I am scum with someone, or

the entire case you're pushing is wrong.

And this means that no one is townier, no one is scummier as a result of said case.

[Nachomamma8]

Muffin? You still alive, buddy?

[zMuffinMan]

if you were somehow town, that is what it would mean

[zMuffinMan]

though you're still wrong because a team of {ns, goodfather, muffn} would have been in the BEST position D3 given suspicions floating at the time

[zMuffinMan]

so even if you were somehow town, you're ignoring the fact that there is LITERALLY no reason for that scum team to not bring it to D3 mylo

[Nachomamma8]

so even if you were somehow town, you're ignoring the fact that there is LITERALLY no reason for that scum team to not bring it to D3 mylo

Why is there a reason for any other scumteam not to bring it to D3 MyLo?

[Cabd]

Spoiler: Muffin Exclusive Content

Hey muffin what did you think about this week's KlK or have you not seen it yet?

[zMuffinMan]

unless you're still suggesting that i could predict all but one of cabd's vig list dying and know that i would be confirmed to not be scum with that person

and that i did this for absolutely no reason

when the alternative was bringing game to d3 mylo and basically winning then and there with no complications

even if you were somehow town, you'd realise how fucking dumb this is and how i'm basically conftown here

@cabd

i haven't seen it yet

[Cabd]

Spoiler: Nacho exclusive content

I'm a lazy fucker so sum up your entire position in ONE nice concise reply to this and toss it in a spoiler tag or something with my name on it. You're talking in circles.

[Nachomamma8]

so even if you were somehow town, you're ignoring the fact that there is LITERALLY no reason for that scum team to not bring it to D3 mylo

Why is there a reason for any other scumteam not to bring it to D3 MyLo?

[Nachomamma8]

Spoiler: Nacho exclusive content

I'm a lazy fucker so sum up your entire position in ONE nice concise reply to this and toss it in a spoiler tag or something with my name on it. You're talking in circles.

I'm town.
I'm currently happy talking in these circles, so you can be a good Cabd and continue sitting in the back and doing nothing.

[zMuffinMan]

Why is there a reason for any other scumteam not to bring it to D3 MyLo?

there isn't

but the question shouldn't be "is there a reason?" but whether other scum players think in a logical and efficient way like i do

coz you could make an argument for, say, guyett being a derpfuck and not thinking logically about it

but you cannot make the same argument for me

[zMuffinMan]

also no other scum team would have benefited from a D3 mylo in the same way as a {ns, muffin, goodfather} team because no other team was basically beyond suspicion

so it makes even LESS sense to assume that team than any other

[Nachomamma8]

Why is there a reason for any other scumteam not to bring it to D3 MyLo?

there isn't

but the question shouldn't be "is there a reason?" but whether other scum players think in a logical and efficient way like i do

coz you could make an argument for, say, guyett being a derpfuck and not thinking logically about it

but you cannot make the same argument for me

So either: guyett derped, or there isn't a reason and there's something I'm missing.

[Nachomamma8]

also no other scum team would have benefited from a D3 mylo in the same way as a {ns, muffin, goodfather} team because no other team was basically beyond suspicion

so it makes even LESS sense to assume that team than any other

If no scumteam would have passed up the chance to go to D3 mylo, then it doesn't matter who benefitted the most unless there wasn't a significant gap between D3 mylo and alternative.

[zMuffinMan]

but there _has_ to be a reason

because it was an active choice

and there is quite literally no reason to assume that any scum team involving me+ns would ever do that

because that's just not how i play as scum

so instead you have to push bullshit about how you're town and you see it as meaningless because it doesn't make sense from your pov and whatnot

i understand that

but you're not thinking about it properly and how it basically makes me conftown

because you're scum

[Nachomamma8]

And your scumteam wouldn't benefit any more than any others to the point where it makes you obvtown and another scum, considering Notscience-Goodfather scumteam is a wrap that point and is all the reason to go to D3 MyLo that you really need.

[zMuffinMan]

And your scumteam wouldn't benefit any more than any others

well, firstly, that's not true (because selkies was under suspicion, so was guyett's slot to some extent given katsuki's play) but the same cannot be said about notscience or me, so a D3 mylo would have benefited any non-you team but it wouldn't have been a practically guaranteed win for any non-you team - so yes, it does benefit the hypothetical team you're suggesting more than any other team

secondly, it's not about who it benefits but why it happened, and you know if i were scum things wouldn't have played out the way they did (literally, go through every scum game i've ever played and try to find one example of me suggesting suboptimal night play for WIFOM purposes - you can't). not everyone plays a logical scum game like me, not everyone sees the things happening and thinks about efficiency like me. and the reason i brought it up is because THIS, more than anything else, is what makes me near conftown

and you'd know this if you were thinking and you were town

but you're not because you simply have no other choice at this point

[Nachomamma8]

"to the point where it makes you obvtown and the others scum"

[Nachomamma8]

And no, I don't know this is not how things would have played out if you were scum.
I know the premise is faulty, for one reason or another. So, I'm not going to draw conclusions from it.

If you are town, there are other reasons you are town, no?

[zMuffinMan]

i could point to everything i've done and say it's town but i don't see the point - due to the nature of this game, i'm sure you could come up with counter-arguments for why i could do it all as scum. and seeing as you don't actually have legitimate reasons for thinking i'm scum, i think the burden of proof is on you to show it hasn't been my town game

the strongest reason for me being town, which can't be argued away with wifom, is that i make no sense as scum given N2 and how i play as scum (coz even if you're suggesting i change things up sometimes as scum, i still don't make suboptimal night plays - ever - sometimes what is or isn't optimal may be debatable, but in this game it isn't, so it's extremely strong evidence for why i'm basically conftown)

[Cabd]

Muffin, what would a scumteam with you on it have done each day/night as far as mislynches/nightkills?