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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:14 pm

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In post 697, burn_209 wrote:You got to be kidding me....
oh looks like we need to have another talk. sit down....


Players use gut and not cases sometimes, I specifically have stopped making cases cause nobody ever listens to them. There is stuff in her iso that suggests she could be scum so i'm putting my vote there.

but hey if I used your own logic you and her must be scum together right? ;)
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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:49 am

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In post 269, Luca Blight wrote:I thought the reason she gave for being cautious due to being an IC was weak and a bit of a cop-out. I still think if an IC is Town they would make more of an effort to influence proceedings, she has had no impact at all and her reads have had poor reasoning behind them - for example saying she thinks I'm town but my reads are 'too convenient', for a start that is sitting on the fence, and also she has provided no explanation why my reads are too convenient. The fact I have her as null isn't for convenience, it's because she has done nothing to make me think she could be one or the other.
can you tell me where you came up with this thought process about ICs?
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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:33 am

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Right so Luca has been put on lynch 1 no ones really gave good reasonings
Rach there was a lot being said in day 1 causing people to switch between people
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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:59 am

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Im not the IC in this game, Jake. GM was.
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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:03 am

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Did I call you the IC? If so I apologize as I know you aren't the IC
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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:33 am

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Rach are you just ignoring anything I say to you
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:50 am

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In post 693, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 692, burn_209 wrote:Well for one it will give you guys a for sure alignment read for me because I know I was viewed as scummy on day 1 and then was viewed as town for the majority of this day.

When I flip town what then? Are you saying that will make you conf scum?


For some this might be confusing and it would give a good assessment as far as that goes. It would help on peoples read on Luca as well because NM came out the gate voting for Luca and it seemed to piss Luca off which is understandable because it was pretty clear that the NK was a frame job.

Why is this pretty clear, you seem to think we shouldn't even be exploring the possibility of it not being a frame


Those are two people right there that could be considered iffy (eventhough Im pretty sure Luca is town and I know I am town.) I personally think my scumtells on NM are pretty solid. They are a hell of a lot better than voting for someone because they are lurking or because someone just so happened to be on the wagon of the person that was NK'ed.

Misrepping people's cases


Jake why did you flip your vote to Luca? Its kind odd that you just switched your vote with no reasoing at all and out of nowhere after seeming like you really wanted Rach to be the lynch.

Untrue, he just stated he thought Luca killed GM


Jake probably wont help the NM wagon because that is his buddy but Notty, Rach, Joker, Luca Im telling you NM is scum. You have to consider the case I built on him as it is better than any of the crap people have brought up like Luca and Rach. We have 3 days left which means we have to start to move on what we want to do. Luca is NOT the person we want to lynch today.

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Luca/Burn scumteam looking really possible currently

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Idc about the flurry of overdramatic posts that about to come my way from Luca and Burn now. Come at me.
Why have you suddenly come to that conclusion? I remember not long ago you expressed your opinion that either one of me or burn were scum, but were definitely not scum partners. Just another example of your fickle opinions. Also interesting how you came to that opinion from a burn post, but choose instead to put me on L-1, with no other explanation.
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In post 269, Luca Blight wrote:I thought the reason she gave for being cautious due to being an IC was weak and a bit of a cop-out. I still think if an IC is Town they would make more of an effort to influence proceedings, she has had no impact at all and her reads have had poor reasoning behind them - for example saying she thinks I'm town but my reads are 'too convenient', for a start that is sitting on the fence, and also she has provided no explanation why my reads are too convenient. The fact I have her as null isn't for convenience, it's because she has done nothing to make me think she could be one or the other.
can you tell me where you came up with this thought process about ICs?
It's my opinion, and something I used to draw GM (who hadn't posted anything up until that point) into the game.

What's your point?
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:58 am

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In your last newbie game the IC was active and from what I could tell was helpful to a point. He was scum.

I would think that would alter your opinion some.
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:39 am

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I made that comment before that game had ended, but I take your point. As I say it was more an attempt to draw her out to get a better read of her, and it worked as she was a lot more active after that.
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:33 pm

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I will address you Joker, don't feel left out.
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:36 pm

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Luca you can't use that to figure out if the IC is scum or not. Look for patterns of behavior of the individual person, not based on if they are an IC or not. As someone who is sometimes an IC, I can tell you that though we are scrupulous about game mechanics and such, when it comes to our game role whether town or scum, we try to win for our side.
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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:46 am

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 2.09
Luca Blight (L-1) - notscience, Jake from State Farm, Not_Mafia

RachMarie (1) - joker443
burn_209 (1) - RachMarie
Not_Mafia (2) - burn_209, Luca Blight

Not Voting (0) -


With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2014-03-23 22:00:59).[/area]
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:49 am

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If we lynch Luca over the half assed case NM has and because Jake just wants to go with his "gut" this day and game will be a failure for the town. Come in guys be smarter than that. When is Notty's Vla over?
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:06 am

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Joker, Rach please do not vote Luca and if Notty was here he would probably switch his vote as well. You have to see that Jake has switched his vote to Luca based on his gut really close to deadline. Scum do this shit to force people to hammer a townie just to have a lynch. Me and Luca have cases on NM and a lynch can still be reached if you two cot for NM. Basically what I'm trying to say is don't think that Luca is the only possible lynch right now....because it is the wrong one.
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:25 am

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1. I am not scum
2. I did not switch to Luca "really close to deadline"
3. I wouldn't even consider 2 days ( today ) "really close to deadline"
4. You have no case on NM
5. I don't even think luca's case on nm is any good
6. Begging others to vote with you without actually talking to them and trying to convince them just sounds desperate. Why are you so desperate to save Luca anyway? The reasons you gave for town reading her are weak
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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:57 am

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Hi

Hmmm. I don't particularly hate Rach's wall on the last page, that's a good sign.

I don't want a NM lynch.
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:04 am

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Has your opinion on Luca changed at all?
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:24 am

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Not really, no.
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:43 am

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In post 714, Jake from State Farm wrote:1. I am not scum
2. I did not switch to Luca "really close to deadline"
3. I wouldn't even consider 2 days ( today ) "really close to deadline"
4. You have no case on NM
5. I don't even think luca's case on nm is any good
6. Begging others to vote with you without actually talking to them and trying to convince them just sounds desperate. Why are you so desperate to save Luca anyway? The reasons you gave for town reading her are weak
Firstly I'm male, secondly I find it ironic how you slate my case on NM when you have voted for me without any sort of case at all. NM's current case against me seems to be based on the fact that burn is defending me, which doesn't really make sense either. Both you and NM seemed dead set on either burn or Rach, but when your accusations there failed to stick you changed your vote to me, and NM followed. The best you can find on me is some irrelevant IC theory stuff posted early into the game.

It just seems strange how you are both seemingly pushing a lynch on me without providing any sort of case or argument whatsoever.
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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:47 pm

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ok my bad, idk why I though you were a girl
you are right I haven't made a case but I have given reasons why I suspect you

"Luca's play is kind of hard to explain but just reads too safe to me plus I am not buying that scum killed gm to frame luca, if you were going to frame someone based off day 1 play, Luca wouldn't be it imo."

NM had been pushing you for most of this day phase and his original push had nothing to do with burn defending you, he originally was calling you/notsci and said that you /burn can't be together, of course later he changed on that.

Also for the record I was never dead set on lynching burn and I have never voted him. I called him a scum read and I was pushing rach to make a case on him, which she never did. Rach was the only person I was dead set on lynching and once I realized that she is telling the truth about being sick, I moved on to one of my other top scum reads. Not sure why it came as a suprise to you and not sure why you didn't ask me about my vote on you sooner? You answer my question about the IC and nothing else. If my vote on you was strange, why wait a whole day to bring it up?


if you want a case here is one

1. the IC thought you were scum and if mafia were going to frame someone it would be easier to frame someone like NS or burn
2. the quote I posted above
3. I see now town motivation behind your pushes
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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:11 pm

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I had trouble seeing a Burn/Luca scumteam because of how hard Burn sheeped on Luca's scum case on GM, it just seemed like way too basic play for a scum team, Burn's hard defending of Luca today is suspect. I can believe Burn playing this simply as scum, Luca not so much. I still have my reservations but as I thought about it more I realised all the stuff that was making me think they're not a team was beyond Luca's control and fully down to Burn.
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:55 pm

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NM associative tells before a scum flip are unreliable. Best to focus on the peeps you think are scummiest.
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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:00 pm

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In post 607, joker443 wrote:Ok Lucas here's what i think
Rach number 1 scum read right now, lurking around a lot, doesn't seem to say a lot at all I think more just to dodge, hasn't done anything to help town really..my vote staying with her
Lucas he has good points but some do sound a bit dodgy so he's 50 50 to me does have a lot of rubbish quite a lot though and after the argument with Gm made me rather suspicious of him but could as just be someone trying to frame him
Jake only just joined plus guy before I didn't really have any suspicions on so more town
Burn thought he was scummy through most of the game not to sure now so another 50 50
NM pretty sure he's town very good towards getting what he needs to know/say
Not sci same as above tbh

This set of reads, plus the rest of his ISO, just screams at me.

He keeps asking me why I did not respond to him about my scum read on burn, even AFTER I stated I was rethinking my read on burn.

I think you know where I am headed now.... Plus he also fits with the VCA I did earlier.

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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:07 am

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Whoops, forgot about that last VC. Also, the deadline is pretty close.


OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 2.10
Luca Blight (L-1) - notscience, Jake from State Farm, Not_Mafia

RachMarie (1) - joker443
Not_Mafia (2) - burn_209, Luca Blight
joker443 (1) - RachMarie

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With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2014-03-23 22:00:59).[/area]
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:00 am

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Rach that vca you did earlier was a joke , I mean it literally made no sense. Plus you discounted the possibility of an all town wagon which I've seen more than once.

You are scum aren't you?
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