NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[Mister Rogers]

@DV: Also, you played in that game with him. How come you didn't notice the difference in his play?

[talah]

Actually,

please don't

.

I am completely finished talking to you.

ScumTalah can hang, please.

Oh thank you, I can SLEEP now?

After your insanely irrational push?

Oh yay I love this game. So logic. Much involved.

[Mister Rogers]

@Talah: Are you and DV scum buddies?

[SnowStorm]

WTF are you all arguing about?

Talah, I see you have a problem with Mr, but I can't understand if you think he's scum or not. So I'm wondering what is your point? What is the point of this discussion?

[Snork]

WTF are you all arguing about?

Talah, I see you have a problem with Mr, but I can't understand if you think he's scum or not. So I'm wondering what is your point? What is the point of this discussion?

Walter, I'm really glad you're here.

The point of the crap with Talah was that I wanted to know what he was using to scumhunt. He dodged the question by arguing about the word usage. Despite then quoting his post so there could be no confusion, he found other reasons to dodge.

It's not worth reading, trust me. None of it.

Let's chat, though. I've been waiting for you.

[Snork]

As far as his "read" on MR, I personally believe it is fabricated suspicion.

[SnowStorm]

Walter, I'm really glad you're here.

The point of the crap with Talah was that I wanted to know what he was using to scumhunt. He dodged the question by arguing about the word usage. Despite then quoting his post so there could be no confusion, he found other reasons to dodge.

It's not worth reading, trust me. None of it.

Let's chat, though. I've been waiting for you.

I got that part. It's the talah vs MR part at the start of this that I find confusing.

Ok, I'm here.

[Mister Rogers]

I'm here. I can explain anything you like from Talah's points (the best I understand them) or my own (I understand them perfectly).

[Mister Rogers]

After the meta from Gundam I can say I am convinced that Talah is scum even more than before. Now I actually have a sample of what town Talah should like like instead of my own imagination.

[Snork]

Walter: I was hoping to get your top scum reads.

[SnowStorm]

I'm here. I can explain anything you like from Talah's points (the best I understand them) or my own (I understand them perfectly).

It's talah's points that confuse me and that I'd like to see him explain in a clearer manner. I'm finding it really hard to read him because he argues a lot and is always defending himself and I can't tell when he's throwing out attacks as a mean to defend himself (which is what his attack on you looks like to me) and when he's attacking with the purpose of scum-hunting.

And while part of me just wants to lynch him, the other part thinks he sounds really genuine sometimes. I know some players sometimes get so lost in themselves that they forget what the game is about. Then there's a smaller part of me who just wants to ask him "Who are your masters?".

[Mister Rogers]

Well I just started to re-read the whole exchange and looks like he was deliberately trying to smooth me out of voting him to vote Luca in a similar fashion with when I switched for a time to BJC.

Meh. I would say his attacks were 100% defense though.

[Mister Rogers]

It all started with his vote switch from Anx to Luca. I had to query him on that. And he made a list and Anx wasn't even in it and then he makes a statement about not caring who he votes for and sheeping Thad. It all really goes downhill from there.

[SnowStorm]

Walter: I was hoping to get your top scum reads.

Damon, ThAdmiral and Luca. Luca's a new addition, I'd expect town in his situation to become more proactive, after all he's still a good contender for today's lynch. Also hate his votes.

[Snork]

The only thing that really bugs me about Luca is the fact that my scum reads are advocating it as an acceptable lynch.

My top town reads right now are you, MR, AP, Pisskop, Zd and mastin. Second tier would be Yates, DV, 4nx and pmatt.
Top scum reads are Talah, Thad, aptil, DG, Rach.

Nulls are nero (for now - his ISO is on my list), Luca, and PV (who I was originally scum reading, but not sure if correct yet based on other posts).

Where would you disagree?

[Snork]

Actually, I'd like MR, mastin, PK, AP, and Zd to collab with me on these as well.

[Snork]

And Bipolar is missing. Even with V/LA, mastin has a bigger presence here. Bipolar is.. null.

[Mister Rogers]

Ok we are almost a perfect match, even on Rach which NOBODY in this thread agrees with. Of course I can't very well town Mastin but a current catchup remains to be seen. I STRONGLY disagree with Matt as town. Otherwise perfect match.

Chem ya pffft. Chem-Replace.

[Snork]

@MR:

Talk to me about pmatt. He's seems to not really be here but when he is here I feel like he's giving whatever thoughts he has (i.e., doesn't seem to be holding anything back, if that makes sense).

@Nero:

1) Can you sum up the reasons why you think MR is scummier than anyone else in the game right now? It seems like the only stated reason was his post count, which you then followed up with saying you didn't like how he responded to you, but I don't really see where you are finding scum motivation in what he's saying/doing. Is there anything concrete you can think of on MR that led you to this conclusion?

2) Besides MR, where are your strongest suspicions currently? Why?

3) Pretend MR was lynched and flipped town. How would that affect the analysis you have up to this point? Where would you look next?

4) Pretend MR was lynched and flipped town. Who do you think would be the most likely partners? What makes you think so?

That's all. Your ISO is pretty thin, but the impression that I get is that you are passionate about what you are saying, and will likely apply that passion productively if given the time.

(Small request: If you are willing to answer my questions, would you mind quoting the post so I can see what you are responding to with the response - rather than responding by number? It really helps.)

[Snork]

#4 should say "flipped scum".

[Mister Rogers]

@MR:

Talk to me about pmatt. He's seems to not really be here but when he is here I feel like he's giving whatever thoughts he has (i.e., doesn't seem to be holding anything back, if that makes sense).

If you read Matt on tone you will love him. I certainly did early game. The problem occurs when he gets further into the game and has like NO scum suspects. He is voting a lurker (the best looking of all the lurkers) and has to ask for scum reads from someone else. Over the top defends your slot -- errm, I guess that was noise? Votes Yates with no case other than a simple unsubstantiated accusation. Its the CONTENT not the tone that convicts Matt; he has no scum hunting content & his ISO appears as town posturing (see bad push about frying bigger fish than your slot).

[Snork]

Ok, ISOing pmatt now. In the meantime, which would you say is harder to fake for scum - tone or content?

[Mister Rogers]

Btw, I can feel the scum trembling at the synergy here.

[Mister Rogers]

Definitely content. Man you gotta put it on the line dewd and that means every time you do, you have a guaranteed enemy and better make it good because otherwise you will be suspected. Hard work. Much easier to vote a lurker that can't fight back. And you have to LIE. And literally make things up. And make it all look real. BLECH. Give me a town role.

[SnowStorm]

The only thing that really bugs me about Luca is the fact that my scum reads are advocating it as an acceptable lynch.

My top town reads right now are you, MR, AP, Pisskop, Zd and mastin. Second tier would be Yates, DV, 4nx and pmatt.
Top scum reads are Talah, Thad, aptil, DG, Rach.

Nulls are nero (for now - his ISO is on my list), Luca, and PV (who I was originally scum reading, but not sure if correct yet based on other posts).

Where would you disagree?

I have a town read on AP too. Pisskop is still kinda null, some people seem to suspect him and I haven't looked much into him yet and while I don't dislike his posts it is not enough to give him a townread.

I have a weaker town read on DV too. As for 4nxiety, I have mixed feelings.

I haven't devoted much thought to mastin, Yates, pmatt, Nero and PV, but I haven't seen anything in their posts that would make me consider lynching them today, so for now they're in the null pile.

Talah is a mess and is in a tier of his own.

Rach is nullish but I'm not a big fan of her latest posts. So she's in between the null pile and scum leaning.

Aptil. I think I'm leaning town on him. I have played with him before (on Westeros mafia), more times than I remembered, because most of the games he played in he ended up being replaced for low activity. The only game where he wasn't replaced was the only game where he was scum, where he looked more proactive and involved. Now while I don't think this is a strong point to town read him for, I don't get a scum feeling from his posts either. So I'd say he's a weak town read atm.