In post 3513, Venmar wrote:I don't care really of the night actions of non-killing Mafia roles. Scum lie frequently. Even if you were town and he tracked you, how does that clear you? If SSK said the truth, it doesn't clear you of being town, he just cleared you of not being a PR or not using an action that night. Mafia Goons DO exist. Mafia DO try to clear each other. I DO want you to fucking die.
I can't help but read this paragraph and think that you're saying you want to lynch me even though you don't actually think I'm Scum. It's like you're trying to convince yourself.
Anyway, good job dodging the question. Since you seem to be unwilling to take a firm stance on this issue, I'll explain why it makes no sense for SSK and I to be partners.
There are only a few plausible scenarios here.
1.) SSK and I are both Scum, I didn't perform an action on Night 2, he tracked someone else, and he said he tracked me instead because he knew that I didn't perform an action on Night 2.
2.) SSK is Scum, I'm Town with no night action, he tracked someone else on Night 2, and he said he tracked me I did nothing even though he didn't know for certain.
3.) SSK is Scum, I'm Town with no night action, he tracked me on Night 2, and he saw that I didn't perform an action.
Scenario #1 is mind-numbingly stupid because it would have severely limited my options when it came time to mass-claim. Claiming that he saw me going nowhere means that I would have been forced to eventually claim a role with no night action to keep these results consistent. If you think I'm Scum, that means you believe I would willingly and knowingly limit my options and make the game more difficult for myself because of...reasons? It also means you disrespect SSK's Scum game enough to believe that he would clumsily incriminate a partner by making such a blatant connection between the two of us.
Scenario #2 is also mind-numbingly stupid because it would have been a monumental risk for SSK to take for a very small payoff. It means he would have had to gamble on the possibility of me being a non-PR with no night action even though he had no way of knowing for certain.
Scenario #3 makes complete sense and is almost certainly what really happened.
If you think that there's another plausible scenario besides these three, then by all means, feel free to present it and explain why it's more likely.
In post 3513, Venmar wrote:Also, Skull being scum would make his neighborhood 3 town, 1 scum, 1 SK, which I find oddly
right
. From a mod point of view, scum probably DO have access to that QT via a member in it, since they didn't have one in mine. 4 Town and 1 SK seems kind of odd I think, since there's already a 3-member town neighborhood in mine. Scum are weakened by not being a part of one of them, so I objectively think there's scum in the last remaining members of the large neighborhood.
Like Pidgey said, this logic could easily point to Mollie or Pidgey being Scum as well. And yet, you indicated in
3507 that if I moved my vote to Mollie, that would only make me scummier since only Scum-me would compromise on a Mollie lynch in that position. You're daring me to move my vote to Mollie just so you can say, "See? Skull moved to Mollie just like I said they would!"
This is so blatantly manipulative that I cannot possibly see it coming from a Town mindset. You are attempting to set a trap for me just so you can incriminate me further.
Since Venmar elected once again to avoid taking a solid stance on this issue, I will now explain why it is ridiculous to believe that I am the only remaining Scum player.
In
2704, I
volunteered
to be jailed by Orcinus so that I could become confirmed Town when a kill went through that night. I very specifically and clearly told Orcinus to jail me. If there's only one Scum player remaining and that player is me,
why would I do that?
You could argue that it was a gambit and I was secretly hoping that Orcinus would jail someone else, but you'd have to be outrageously paranoid to actually believe that to be the case.
What would be the benefit of Scum-me taking such a risk anyway? If it failed, I'd be jailed that night, lynched the next day, and then my team would lose. If it succeeded, I would be in the same position that I was in the previous day and I would have gained
no advantage whatsoever
. It would have been a stupid risk to take for absolutely no payoff.
Therefore, if you think I'm Scum, it follows that you have to believe that there are two Scum players left and I volunteered to be jailed by Orcinus so my partner could perform the kill that night.
So again I ask: If I'm Scum, then who is my partner?
