Newbie 1476 - Game Over

[Jake from State Farm]

Not science/ Luca makes a lot of sense. Not joker. The wagon to look at are the GM wagon. One of NS/burn/ Luca is scum guaranteed.

[notscience]

I make absolutely 0 sense as scum

I'm curious why you think I am scum though

[Jake from State Farm]

0 chance? Not hardly.

How about a real strong hunch. Your play isn't squeaky clean.

[notscience]

My play isn't squeaky clean.

But it's stupidly easy to read me.

[Jake from State Farm]

exactly...

[Luca Blight]

ok my bad, idk why I though you were a girl
you are right I haven't made a case but I have given reasons why I suspect you

"Luca's play is kind of hard to explain but just reads too safe to me plus I am not buying that scum killed gm to frame luca, if you were going to frame someone based off day 1 play, Luca wouldn't be it imo."

NM had been pushing you for most of this day phase and his original push had nothing to do with burn defending you, he originally was calling you/notsci and said that you /burn can't be together, of course later he changed on that.

Also for the record I was never dead set on lynching burn and I have never voted him. I called him a scum read and I was pushing rach to make a case on him, which she never did. Rach was the only person I was dead set on lynching and once I realized that she is telling the truth about being sick, I moved on to one of my other top scum reads. Not sure why it came as a suprise to you and not sure why you didn't ask me about my vote on you sooner? You answer my question about the IC and nothing else. If my vote on you was strange, why wait a whole day to bring it up?


if you want a case here is one

1. the IC thought you were scum and if mafia were going to frame someone it would be easier to frame someone like NS or burn
2. the quote I posted above
3. I see now town motivation behind your pushes

It wasn't even me who suggested the GM kill was a frame, and burn also voted for GM so it could just as easily been a burn frame as a Luca frame. I'm not sure why you think it would be 'easier' to frame them over me, particularly with NS who voted for Zivel, meaning a frame wouldn't have even been possible there.

The IC's case against me was awful, and just because she is an IC doesn't make her right. It felt to me as though she was only attacking me because I dared to question her, and her entire argument was based around 'buzzords' which was ridiculous, particularly considering she was throwing them around herself. Have a read back and see what you think.

As for NM, his original push on me was also terrible; it was purely because GM was killed, and in my opinion it makes him look scummier for the fact he jumped to conclusions in such a manner. Once he realised how flawed this argument was he then went scattergunning, saying either burn or rach is definitely scum before returning to me with the reasoning that burn is defending me, meaning we must be a scumteam! All the while being very non-committal on NS, who he admitted was one of his suspicions, but the only one not to 'put pressure on' as he very much likes to do. You will have to explain your third point to me.

[RachMarie]

It made sense to me, Jake.

I am town, though I can understand why you would think I am scum.

[notscience]

Can everyone give an idea of who they think the scumteam is

I'm thinking Luca atm, I'm not really sure who makes sense buddywise atm.

[RachMarie]

Notty we have not yet had a scum flip so associative tells suck.

[Luca Blight]

Well I feel I've done everything I can to convince you I am Town, especially considering there isn't much of a case against me so far as I can see. Personally I'm thinking along the lines of a NM//Joker scumteam; the way NM has completely refused to even consider Joker may be scum (when her game has been far from squeaky clean) rings alarm bells for me. I thought burn was definitely scum for mot of day 1, but his posting has been good today, and I don't see why he would try and defend me from a scum perspective. Jake has made a few odd posts similar to NM, but he isn't my top read and a lynch there isn't going to happen today. NS has quietened down a lot recently and is another one who is difficult to read; his jumping on my bandwagon at the start of the day looked scummy as f*ck though. Rach is another one I'm not sure about, I was suspicious of her for how she claimed to not be posting for certain reasons but was active on other areas of the site, but her Joker vote seems town.

Apologies Jake if you feel these reads are too safe, but they represent exactly what I think at the moment.

[serrapaladin]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 2.10

Luca Blight (L-1) - notscience, Jake from State Farm, Not_Mafia

RachMarie (1) - joker443
Not_Mafia (2) - burn_209, Luca Blight
joker443 (1) - RachMarie

Not Voting (0) -

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2014-03-23 22:00:59).[/area]

[Not_Mafia]

Joker and Rach control the lynch here so they should declare who they intend to lynch

[Not_Mafia]

NS has quietened down a lot recently and is another one who is difficult to read;

his jumping on my bandwagon at the start of the day looked scummy as f*ck though.

How so? You seem to think you're beyond suspicion

[Luca Blight]

Because it was terrible reasoning, and for the fact that he was the one who lead the bandwagon on GM on day 1, so his reaction to her death (making out like he knew she was town all along) looked scummy. I don't think I'm beyond suspicion, I have been under a lot over the course of both days and have answered everything patiently, despite the cases against me being pretty weak.

[Jake from State Farm]

It made sense to me, Jake.

I am town, though I can understand why you would think I am scum.

So I really have no clue wtf you are doing here. You don't explain your push on burn and now this joker vote.

We should at the very least be lynching someone on the GM wagon. He wasn't scummy d1, not compared to others anyway. The way I see it is scum NS was trying to push on the town IC which is good play from scum pov, or scum burn/Luca ( prob 1) sheeped town NS and pushed on town gm.

Either scenario is possible but Luca IMO is more likely.

[Luca Blight]

Jake you don't make any sense. Why should we go for someone on the GM wagon over someone on the Zivel wagon? You say GM was not scummy compared with others, who are you referring to? If you actually read back what happened you will see how ridiculous the notion that I 'sheeped' NS with regards to GM is, considering it was me who had questioned and suspected her first. If anything it was the other way around.

[burn_209]

Luca is making so much sense right now. If we lynch him we WILL lose this game. Think about it why would we go for someone on the GM wagon WHO WAS THE NIGHT KILL instead of the lynch wagon. Im going to make your decision easier though.

Im the cop and I investigated Luca last night and he came up TOWN. DO NOT FUCKING HAMMER HIM

[Jake from State Farm]

Cause the NK was someone who obviously was town and saw as a threat. The lynch wagon was someone town thought was scummy and contains mostly town. That's why

[Not_Mafia]

Why did you inspect Luca when you thought me and GM were the scumteam? And why claim now? And how "WILL" we lose the game if we lynch Luca?

[Jake from State Farm]

To put it in simpler words.

There is most likely 1 scum on the gm wagon. That's 1 out of 3

There is most likely 1 scum on the zivel wagon. That's 1 out of 5

I'm going with the gm wagon. You guys can do whatever you want. I'm not stopping you.

[Jake from State Farm]

You investigated a town read? Bullshit

[Not_Mafia]

Not believing this claim either, I'd actually say don't CC in this instance if you are cop/tracker. You'll only get killed and/or roleblocked. Unless you have a guilty that is

[burn_209]

You investigated a town read? Bullshit

If you remember I didnt think he was town at he beginning so I was dead set on investigating him. I investigate people that I change my reads on during the day so that I can know for sure one way or the other and that is what happened. I think its fitting that both you and NM are the ones that are fighting against this right now but hey what are you going to do right.

If we lynch Luca it is a MISTAKE

[notscience]

VOTE: Joker

WAGON HO

Hey guys, want to know the reason behind my Joker townread before?

I thought joker was PR when he asked GM if she thought the setup was the same as their other game. Who would know that? Scum.

That's also my secret townread on GM and sudden switch- I realized she was the doctor looking for someone to protect and I got PR vibes from Joker. Reread our interaction if you don't believe me.

Unless there's a CC it's legit so hop the fuck off and get on Joker.

[notscience]

IF YOU WANT TO SAVE LUCA ALL ABOARD THE JOKER TRAIN