NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[DeasVail]

p-edit: Why anyone is pushing MR is outside my ability to understand. His intentions are so transparent. Another reason Talah is scum. MR comes around to scumreading him, and voila, MR is a magical lynch option.

This is a pretty bad reason to be scumreading talah. The only reason for him to be scumreading MR is because he as scum would want to look town from it. No way someone like talah as scum actually thinks he has a chance of lynching MR.

Uhhhhhh. So scum only ever scumread lynchable people? I hope you aren't serious.

No, but Snork's accusation relied on Mister Rogers being a 'lynch option'.

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I will have updated explanations for reads of importance up by around this time tomorrow.

[Plessiez]

It's day 1. Deadline for the day is March 28th, 21:59 UTC. That's (expired on 2014-03-28 17:59:48).

Vote Count 1.18

talah [5 votes] (AngryPidgeon, Mister Rogers, Snork, Luca Blight, PeregrineV)
Luca Blight [4 votes] (4nxi3ty, projectmatt, Damon_Gant, Nero Cain)
pisskop [3 votes] (Zdenek, Yates, DeasVail)
Damon_Gant [2 votes] (SnowStorm, mastin2)
mastin2 [1 vote] (BipolarChemist)
4nxi3ty [1 vote] (ThAdmiral)
Yates [1 vote] (pisskop)

3 players are not voting

: {aptil, RachMarie, talah}

With

20

players alive it takes

11

votes to lynch somebody or to go to night.

Activity

Nobody has recently been prodded.
BipolarChemist is V/LA until March 23rd.
Zdenek is V/LA until March 26th.
mastin2 is V/LA until March 31st.

[RachMarie]

Here is the game I am familiar with Talah in

Newbie 1381: Oakhaven is Overrun

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28717


Talah was town

[Mister Rogers]

Wow Rach. Nice. And your stated opinion of this information?

[Mister Rogers]

I have an opinion but I am waiting for what you think Rach.

[RachMarie]

Well I forgot that was one of the Newbies I had to rope the fiance in as backup

Need to read through a bit more his ISO there and compare it to the one here. Not tonight though, it is 4 AM for me and I have had a long day and still dealing with bad sinus headaches. I will look at it tomorrow. Going to get some sleep now.

[Mister Rogers]

Meh.

Ok first:

This is apparently his first game on site (his join date is the very day before). Secondly he is happy go lucky, outgoing and

scum hunting

.

Because of this, it is obvious that he has off-site experience.

Anyway, here is a sample:

mothrax, likewise, do you have any other scumreads apart from Greywing?

The cast:

• mothrax - the soft-spoken yet self-assured somewhat-inquisitor
  
• Honey Bee - the opinionated inquisitor who's happy to dispense advice
  
• jmo16mla - the stone-skinned questioner.. and questioner
  
• Fropone - the sharp-edged and no bullshit whip with a bad eye for scum
  
• Malakittens - the common-sense and natural emote
  
• Greywing - the '....' scum-reading questioner who finally got an answer out of Tybalt
  
• Tybalt - the listmaker, who needs reasons when you have a list
  
• ThaneAravan - the quotemaster who finally voted.. in retaliation

Regarding Grey, in ISO his posts seem mostly about analysing situational logic and asking reactive questions. He also votes Luigi (me) in post #77:

@Tybalt: I'm still waiting for an answer to this:

@Tybalt: Is there anything in particular that is giving you Town reads on Moth and Mala?

There's also been a ridiculous lack of analysis from Luigi so far. There was his well publicised RVS post, and he's only followed it up with posts complaining about people discussing him. I still believe that his RVS vote was intended as a joke, but the lack of content since then makes me think that he's trying to fly under the radar. Mala's looking more Town to me now after a re-read.

UNVOTE: Malakittens
VOTE: Luigilewis889

..and the very next time he posts (#99) he is criticising ThaneAravan for his rationale in voting exactly the same way. That's hmm.. well I don't actually find that scummy, just dissonant. But the fact that it's his only real analysis, I wonder if Grey isn't trying to avoid giving out opinions of his own.

VOTE: Greywing

Don't we have a deadline looming?

@RachMarie-Mayor-Mod

- are we able to have a votecount tally and timer please?

Was going to do it last night but was too tired and crashed instead. VC coming up....Rach

Did he whine about only having eight games!?

Yes he did.

LYNCH THIS MAN!

[Mister Rogers]

Rogers, I have - what - half a dozen? Eight? - completed games under my belt

including a couple I replaced out of. Where you're getting the idea that I'm some kind of superscum or supertown I have no idea. Historically I've been able to town pretty hard by screaming and raging, but I really don't like that aspect of myself. So yeah, I have some *personal* cog-dis, but unless it's related to me gaining some kind of scum-benefit - what's the purpose of even pointing it out?

Now, tottle off like a good sprung unit and stop loading me up with your pointless questions when I already have a significant backlog of reasonable questions to catch up with. If you think I'm scum,

PUSH FOR MY WAGON!!!!!!1!!1

[Damon_Gant]

Page 38:

LOOK HOW MUCH FUN WE'RE HAVING!!!

Haha that is funny. You are coming across as town to me, as is Pisskop, so I will go ahead and UNVOTE: Pisskop

VOTE: 4nxi3ty

This seriously needs lynching. This is the best contribution he could come up with? Not to mention he said he wouldn't post reads until giving the thread his full attention. This does not look like the post of someone who has given the thread 15 minutes.

Then vote him? My townread on gant is wavering.

Obviously I since have, but the reason I didn't then was because I was still backing the 4nxi3ty wagon as the more likely one to take off. This was and is obviously important because of proximity to the deadline - we need to see a wagon. I've changed my stance on which wagon might take off and that is why my vote is now back on Luca.

Well, let me ask, what do you think of Luca?

Luca is scummy as heck. Obvscum. But he is also low hanging fruit. He's great bus material. He's a bad analysis wagon (imo -- am I wrong?); we'd probably be doing scum a favor by lynching him (I know sounds bizarre but if you don't get my point, meh).

Here's the other thing: On the off chance that Luca is town (I don't believe it for a second BUT he does seem to being scummy in a way, deliberately) that will DEFINITELY be a bad wagon to analyze because everybody and his brother wants to vote Luca -- and you know what? Something is wrong with that. But hey, don't get me wrong the dewd is obvscum.

I agree with this analysis for the most part. Luca is a very easy bus for scum - and it will be hard to tell a genuine vote for Luca from a bussing one. If Luca flips town, it would be very unfortunate indeed, because it isn't the best wagon for analysis. However, as I've said before, my top priority by a mile is to lynch scum. Luca I see as the most likely guy to be scum, and therefore while it's by no means the perfect situation to have to lynch him, I think it's the best option we have on the table. If Luca does flip scum, we certainly would not be doing scum a favour to lynch him.

I'll reiterate, we're getting very late in the day. We need to be wagoning someone now so that we have time to react to any claims. I am really not interested in a talah wagon, but it should be noted that a no lynch because deadline is a disgusting outcome that cannot be allowed to happen.

[Mister Rogers]

Its more like, you know, from the perspective of lynching Talah-scum, lynching Luca-scum would kind of be a favor because they want to bus Luca anyway but not Talah.

[Mister Rogers]

Also, because I try not to be trapped into thinking in terms of "a rope is the only solution" mentality.

[Mister Rogers]

Anyone that doesn't see

Talah trying to pretend he's a newb as an excuse for not scum hunting

as a concrete scum tell, I wish I could help you but I can't?

That is a form of lying and he's doing it to explain away scummy behavior. His ISO is scummy. It's NOT himself. He has had more than ample opportunity to provide a proper defense but he has resorted to effectively lying instead. Here let me show an example:

Pro Scum Hunter:

Talah how come I don't get the townie feel from your ISO like I normally do? You normally, as a habit, scum hunt and are quite outgoing with queries but here you are doing none of these things and its gone on for quite awhile before anyone was really attacking you?

Town Talah:

Ya I'm really sorry. You're right there is a,b,c reasons and x,y,z extenuating circumstances. Here's what I've got so far: [blah, blah, blah]. Here's what I am thinking: [blah, blah, blah]. Let me go through some ISO's and post more data the best I can anyway.

Instead he has demeaned his attackers, effectively lied about his experience, blamed his attackers for him not scum hunting and NOT provided the proper town response at any point.

People that are sympathizing with him because, "poor Talah, he's been attacked" are either not looking at the evidence or are scum.

Think that's over the top? You'd better comment on the DAYS that have gone by where he had ample time to be his true town self before you post about that.

[Mister Rogers]

It seems like the bulk of Talah's ISO is filled with him trying to TELL people he's town, instead of him simply BEING town.

That's scummy as heck too, especially from him.

[talah]

I never lie about real life issues, including my experience, including any real life circumstances, anything which isn't "really" game related. Not as any alignment.

[aptil]

Between Luca and Talah . By looking at post#739 , i thought Talah was helping Luca with what not to do when he comes back .

[Mister Rogers]

I never lie about real life issues, including my experience, including any real life circumstances, anything which isn't "really" game related. Not as any alignment.

You have more than 8 games experience. Why did you try to pretend that was all you had and use that as an excuse for your scummy behavior?

Why have you misrepped the meta case against you THREE times. Not ONCE have you properly responded to it.

You are scum.

[aptil]

Also snork is looking pretty much town from his posts but the bjc replacement feels scum replacement to me . He is still playing elsewhere .

[Mister Rogers]

Between Luca and Talah . By looking at post#739 , i thought Talah was helping Luca with what not to do when he comes back .

Someone else has posted about that post from Talah. I'm hoping they can speak up because I am not sure where its located in the thread. It might of been AP, I am not sure.

[Mister Rogers]

Also snork is looking pretty much town from his posts but the bjc replacement feels scum replacement to me . He is still playing elsewhere .

Can you please clarify because:

Snork = the BJC replacement.


???

[aptil]

Also snork is looking pretty much town from his posts but the bjc replacement feels scum replacement to me . He is still playing elsewhere .

Can you please clarify because:

Snork = the BJC replacement.


???

Yea i know that. From his posts snork looks town , but the manner in which bjc has asked for a replacement looks suscpicious . Bjc is playing elsewhere , why did he leave this game ?

[Mister Rogers]

@Aptil: Since you lurk alot, a vote is required from you. The top 2 wagons are Talah & Luca. There has been mention made of an Anx wagon but most of those people have jumped to Luca. I personally think Talah is the best wagon by far.

[Mister Rogers]

Also snork is looking pretty much town from his posts but the bjc replacement feels scum replacement to me . He is still playing elsewhere .

Can you please clarify because:

Snork = the BJC replacement.


???

Yea i know that. From his posts snork looks town , but the manner in which bjc has asked for a replacement looks suscpicious . Bjc is playing elsewhere , why did he leave this game ?

To simply quell this suspicion I will give you what I feel is the best case scenario:

BJC was actually under R/L time pressure and could only handle so many games at once. He wanted to contribute here in a quality fashion like he normally does but simply didn't have the time and decided he would troll-scum hunt. It got out of hand and so he asked to be replaced.

[talah]

Oakhaven was the first mafia game I played anywhere.

[Mister Rogers]

@Aptil: Since you lurk alot, a vote is required from you. The top 2 wagons are Talah & Luca. There has been mention made of an Anx wagon but most of those people have jumped to Luca. I personally think Talah is the best wagon by far.

Oh, and to be fair, there is an existing PK wagon, but I don't personally see an actual reason for its existance other than pressure. If people want to speak up about the PK wagon they really need to do so and like right away.

[aptil]

Ok. So there are more people who i consider town on the talah wagon than the Luca wagon . I am still getting around Luca voting Talah . If they are indeed bussing each other .