NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[aptil]

He has refused to join the talah wagon because the case presented is not good enough . Consider the case people have made , i find it very hard to be saying things like that . He is a very dodgy character in my opinion .

There are plenty of other people not on the talah wagon. I'm just one of the guys who is being open and honest enough to acknowledge that I am not and will likely not be joining that wagon. However, as Rogers is chucking around talah meta references everywhere my next job in this game will be to look at that myself.

So , it takes someone to call you out before you even try to look at what others are saying .

[Damon_Gant]

So , it takes someone to call you out before you even try to look at what others are saying .

No

[Nero Cain]

I don't think using Talah's first came on this site* in comparisons to this game is very accurate. If we are metaing Talah it seems a more recent game would be more telling.

The join date thing might mean he's an alt but there's nothing necessarily wrong with trying to hide your alt. Bert tried to hide his alt as well.

[Mister Rogers]

However, his posting early in this game for me matches his posting in that game quite well.

Agreed. However, based on his subsequent play, I can see it as a case of pissed off scum that refuses to be caught early game which wore off once he had an almost universal town read. What I read from him NOT producing an ISO of his usual scum hunting self, is the

lack of desire to scum hunt

which is his town game.

I still believe his falling apart was due to pressure, being irritated, or some combination of those two things.

Because there was almost no pressure for DAYS and no town Talah ISO appeared. Again, this leads me to believe that the "town posting" early game was

reactionary

to being attacked so early. But after the pressure was off, the true weight of his scum alignment took effect.

Makes perfect sense to me.

What doesn't make sense to me is attributing his lack of town ISO to "pressure" because there was practically none for days.

I will be re-reading his ISO a couple more times to try and put a definite finger on why that is, or whether it's mistaken instinct.

Excellent. Please let me know of your opinions.

[Damon_Gant]

I don't think using Talah's first came on this site* in comparisons to this game is very accurate. If we are metaing Talah it seems a more recent game would be more telling.

Whilst I agree in principle, the problem is that I'm not sure there's a great recent game to meta. Most of his recent games have been theme games which we could look at but the theme often complicates things. I was using the first game because that's one Rogers specifically addressed so I wished to reply to it.

[Mister Rogers]

As for your "I had to pull teeth to get a Mastin read!"

I am counting on experienced help here but if you are scum you

WILL put down your read on Mastin for the record

.

Dewd. That was in your response to you "die scum" or whatever inane phrase you used. So don't try to pin that on me.

The point is your read on Luca synched up perfectly with mine and I asked you about it. Your response to that question was "die scum" and you refused to comment on Mastin

at that time

so ya, the most important read there is Mastin and no, I'm not going to let you "LOLZ ur scum" your way through demonstrating your catchup with reads and I certainly will document what you think about important reads.

Do not discount my ability and right to scum hunt you.

If you are asking me what my read on Mastin is but for some reason not using your words "What is your Mastin read?"

Then well I think he's town.

That's hardly pulling teeth. But go ahead and keep lying. I mean I doubt I'll be able to convince the town we should lynch you so meh.

Ya without reasoning. Your reasoning only came later as part of that crappy tarp.

Ya you won't convince anyone I'm lying about

this

because your foundation of "I'm going to withhold reads because your scum LOLZ" is crap.

Keep running with it though. Its looking great. If you're scum that is.

[Mister Rogers]

I don't think using Talah's first came on this site* in comparisons to this game is very accurate. If we are metaing Talah it seems a more recent game would be more telling.

The join date thing might mean he's an alt but there's nothing necessarily wrong with trying to hide your alt. Bert tried to hide his alt as well.

I wasn't familar with Bert having an alt. But your alt idea makes sense as a possibility. Your idea of 1st game meta meh not so much especially since he apparently has like 8 games.

2 meta games have been cited both with the same townie scum hunting profile that is lacking here. Like polar opposite to his game here. Gundam Seed was the other game.

The meta is not even

required

to make a scum case because having that as your profile while demonstrating in thread your ability to do better is scummy enough. The meta just

confirms

his ability and preference for scum hunting as town.

Again, logically being attacked as scum early and getting pissed off and then going into a scum shell once the pressure is off. Its not like he offered any valid excuse for this. Being attacked isn't a valid excuse for not producing his normal town ISO when there wasn't heavy attack pressure.

[Mister Rogers]

I don't think using Talah's first came on this site* in comparisons to this game is very accurate. If we are metaing Talah it seems a more recent game would be more telling.

Whilst I agree in principle, the problem is that I'm not sure there's a great recent game to meta. Most of his recent games have been theme games which we could look at but the theme often complicates things. I was using the first game because that's one Rogers specifically addressed so I wished to reply to it.

I also brought in Gundam Seed. Did you see it?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think using Talah's first came on this site* in comparisons to this game is very accurate. If we are metaing Talah it seems a more recent game would be more telling.

Whilst I agree in principle, the problem is that I'm not sure there's a great recent game to meta. Most of his recent games have been theme games which we could look at but the

theme often complicates things

. I was using the first game because that's one Rogers specifically addressed so I wished to reply to it.

He has a two page topics page so I don't think we'll have a problem with finding a game. Maybe I'm tunneling on the PBS alt here but I find it both demeaning and sneaky that he'd suggest that Talah's play hasn't changed in the two years that he's been here and that this game is an accurate way to get current meta.

Can you explain the bolded, how does theme complicate things?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think using Talah's first came on this site* in comparisons to this game is very accurate. If we are metaing Talah it seems a more recent game would be more telling.

Whilst I agree in principle, the problem is that I'm not sure there's a great recent game to meta. Most of his recent games have been theme games which we could look at but the theme often complicates things. I was using the first game because that's one Rogers specifically addressed so I wished to reply to it.

I also brought in Gundam Seed. Did you see it?

how recent is that?

[Mister Rogers]

@Nero: What did you think of Gundam Seed?

[Nero Cain]

dunno, haven't read it or played in it

[Mister Rogers]

I don't "do" meta unless it's shoved in my face

+1

So you're saying you're being scummy. What do we do with people who are being scummy?

Well I suppose "we the undefined collective", in answer to a question which rams a broken pool cue into the orifice of the notion that specificity is possible to convey using the English language, attempt to clarify both the premise and the question first.

"So you're saying you're being scummy"

No, I asked Sakura why she didn't challenge my inconsistency. It turns out I'm not on her radar, and that she has Levi on the mind. I accept that response because it means she

does

have an agenda and it looks to be scumhunting. I'll keep a peripheral eye on her and see.

If you really want to know, I voted Sakura because - priorities and priorities. Nati and I vote-teaming is a useful strategy, I think, and I'm a bit disappointed Des didn't follow along (although I missed the fact he was already voting Majiffy in the first place, which may have been a bit offputting).

My understanding - or idea - with the voting pool is that there's an inherent 'unvote before lynch' agreement between all members. It's something I'm inviting my town-leaning reads to participate and interact in.

Spoiler:

You're not invited because your dropped-logic argument on pieguyn was oblivious of the context of pie getting involved in the conversation to begin with. It wasn't an assertion that (s)he made in the first place, to be accountable as scummy for dropping it.

"What do we do with people who are being scummy?"

We? Do you mean good mafia players? Good scumhunters? Yourself notionally as part of one of these groups? Yourself by extension onto the universe of how you think all Mafia players should act?
People? Me? Your grouping of all people who act scummily according to you? People who act in the same way as I am acting?
Scummy? The way I acted in this particular sequence? The assertion you are making?

I suppose one would attempt to scumhunt, assess or assert.
Determine the motivations of the non-specific players who "are being scummy".

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Couple of follow-ups because I'm tired and have some work over the weekend.

Majiffy

- something about something about three posts. I can't remember what you said but you're irritating me using your weight on someone I've already townread probably when you thought it was still RVS. Get off pie.
Also I'm taking keen mental notes on your interactions with Deas.

dolittle

- another one. another naked townread. I don't know where you're getting this stuff from. Because you're not saying.

kayne

- where'd you go?

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My next post will probably have "fame", "lurksack" and "hall" in the title.

Check out that awesome scum hunting post from Talah. Do you see anything like that in his ISO in this game? Its not cherry picked. Do his ISO in that game and you will see what I mean.

Sure he towns himself in that game but the active scum hunting like in that game? The active calling people out constantly? No. He definitely isn't lost in that game and its a Large Theme.

09/26/2014

[Mister Rogers]

dunno, haven't read it or played in it

Ok, there's the meta post right below this post I'm quoting. Its not any different than his first game.

[Mister Rogers]

I don't think using Talah's first came on this site* in comparisons to this game is very accurate. If we are metaing Talah it seems a more recent game would be more telling.

Whilst I agree in principle, the problem is that I'm not sure there's a great recent game to meta. Most of his recent games have been theme games which we could look at but the

theme often complicates things

. I was using the first game because that's one Rogers specifically addressed so I wished to reply to it.

He has a two page topics page so I don't think we'll have a problem with finding a game. Maybe I'm tunneling on the PBS alt here but I find it both demeaning and sneaky that he'd suggest that Talah's play hasn't changed in the two years that he's been here and that this game is an accurate way to get current meta.

Can you explain the bolded, how does theme complicate things?

This post kind of confuses me but I don't really care. The meta that I brought is the meta that was given to me by Talah early game, Gundam Seed. The meta that Rach brought that wasn't any different is that newbie game. His play HASN'T changed so I don't know what your point is there anyway. Noting the attempt tho?

[Mister Rogers]

And just pointing out, this is NOT a meta case. Its a case that is being confirmed by meta. I don't normally use meta very much anyway.

[Mister Rogers]

I do kind of admire people that are good at though, like our illustrious Mod. I find it kind of painful though.

[Mister Rogers]

LOL. I like the way Nero says "Good morning" to me with a wall to get my day started.

[Mister Rogers]

Obviously thats 09/26/2013 for Gundam Seed.

[SnowStorm]

VOTE: talah.

I don't care for the meta. I don't think it's a very accurate point when it doesn't add to why he'd play like he has in this game.

Any evidence that talah is scum is present in this game. I think all that's wrong about his play has been pointed out by MR

and lost in between pointless discussion.

Anyone who has doubts should just ISO him. It worked for me.

[Mister Rogers]

VOTE: talah.

I don't care for the meta. I don't think it's a very accurate point when it doesn't add to why he'd play like he has in this game.

Any evidence that talah is scum is present in this game. I think all that's wrong about his play has been pointed out by MR

and lost in between pointless discussion.

Anyone who has doubts should just ISO him. It worked for me.

Ya combine that with the shameless "I'm town" posts & consistent defenses that miss striking the proper townie points and the ISO is pretty scary.

Towards the bolded, there was what I think was going to be a certain angle on another of Talah's accusations of his accusers concerning AP that Snor was trying to bring up but literally that got drowned out by Talah himself. I mean i don't think the point was even able to be actually made; I'm not sure it was actually going anywhere either but :shrug:

Someone else pointed out that all the effort that Talah made in that bru-ha-ha produced no townie contributions from Talah but yet the effort was there. Its just not right.

To quote Mastin again, its "reactionary".

[4nxi3ty]

yup roger's floodin thread

[Mister Rogers]

Thanks Anx. Noted. Please refer to my Wiki #1. Hopefully you won't be locked in there for an eternity and will get back in time to post some conclusive and concrete reads and contribution before deadline, huh?

[4nxi3ty]

srry kiddo but you're playstyle has reached anti-town levels, so if you're town learn some patience, a filter, somethin
if ur scum, by all means continue turning this game into a chore <.< for everyone else, I'm sure everyone has endless amount of time -.- to make playing this way a worthwhile experience

[Nero Cain]

cute, he changed his avi