NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[AngryPidgeon]

If I were scum would I play it as badly as this? Of course not

My first thought was to post a snarky picture here, but I actually kind of like this defense . It feels honest and like something along the lines of what I would say in a similar position.

You're joking right? That's a god-awful defence.

Logically? Yes, it is. Its combining self-meta and "Too scummy to be scum" into one in a way, but it reads town to me. I have a hard time seeing scum come up with that as a defense. And it makes sense, its easier to just make shit up then it is to actually crack the game from a town lens. That doesn't make it a GOOD defense, but I think its a town one.

[Snork]

no what do you mean?

You are Nero; not "others".

[Nero Cain]

So? I'm a curios little kitten and I want to know what you supposedly see.

[Snork]

So? I'm a curios little kitten and I want to know what you supposedly see.

with all the fire you spit from the moment you started posting, this literally made me lol...

I want to know if other people see it or if I'm just seeing things that aren't there, before I make any statements about it.

[Nero Cain]

So, let me get this right? You see "something" and then you tell others to go find something and so anything someone finds you can claim to see. ok w/e I don't really care.

[Snork]

No nothing like that. It's more about me not being sure there's anything there.

Spoiler: Look I found your picture on the internet

[Snork]

And being too busy at the moment to compare multiple ISOs

[Nero Cain]

No nothing like that. It's more about me not being sure there's anything there.

So you've "found" something but you aren't sure that its a scumtell and instead of just pointing it out and asking about it you rather send town on a scavenger hunt through my ISO. That doesn't really strike me as townie bro and its kinda OMGUSY.

[Nero Cain]

No nothing like that. It's more about me not being sure there's anything there.

So you've "found" something but you aren't sure that its a scumtell and instead of just pointing it out and asking about it you rather send town on a scavenger hunt through my ISO. That doesn't really strike me as townie bro and its kinda OMGUSY.

[Nero Cain]

And being too busy at the moment to compare multiple ISOs

fair enough.

[Snork]

No nothing like that. It's more about me not being sure there's anything there.

So you've "found" something but you aren't sure that its a scumtell and instead of just pointing it out and asking about it you rather send town on a scavenger hunt through my ISO. That doesn't really strike me as townie bro and its kinda OMGUSY.

Nero, are you saying it's anti-town to ask people to ISO someone and come up with their own conclusions? o.O

Honestly, I'm a little surprised by your reaction right now.

[aptil]

Aptil - why the hell are you still sitting on your vote. Like its not an explicitly scummy thing to do, but we've gone an entire day phase without seeing anything committal from you other than "Content = town, lurking = scum" and its HIGH TIME I see something INSPIRING from you to convince me NOT to vig the crap out of you tonight.

Why the hell should i change my vote ? When the fuck did i say lurking = scum ?

[Snork]

Also how is it OMGUSy when I wasn't scumreading you and am unaware if you are scumreading me?

I mean, you have nothing to hide in your ISO, do you? Why wouldn't you want people to ISO you?

[Snork]

Also how is it OMGUSy when I wasn't scumreading you and am unaware if you are scumreading me?

I mean, you have nothing to hide in your ISO, do you? Why wouldn't you want people to ISO you?

[Nero Cain]

Yes, I'm obviously scum that's afraid to be ISO'd and I'm calling you scummy for it in hopes that no one reads my ISO. I've prob already been ISO'd to death and so what if I come across as "scummy". I'm much more interested in finding scum.

I sa something interesting when I was looking for something in Nero's ISO

here you say you found something but instead of outing what you "found" you tell everyone to go look to see if they can find what you found and all that just seems really silly to me.

It just seems to me that the pro-town route "hey guys, look I found THIS and I think it points to Nero being scum." But instead there's no real sense of accountability on your part.

Can you quote the first instance of you calling me scum?

[Yates]

I want to know if other people see it or if I'm just seeing things that aren't there

Are you suggesting that he defends and/or ignores Talah throughout his ISO?

If so, why aren't you equally concerned about Pere's chainsaw post?

I'm not going to defend Nero - since he is more than capable of defending himself - but I can tell you why *I* switched to Luca. Pere calling out people for consolidating at the end of the day is... not great. Pere pretending like Luca's posts since coming out of hiding haven't read as scum is... even less great. Given the choice between talah and Luca? I'm lynching Luca every day and twice on Sundays.

@Pere - and what do you think of the people that switched to the Talah wagon recently? SnowStorm, Aptil, yourself - you've all voted Talah since page 48. In fact - YOU are the one that made talah a leading wagon based on no new information, aren't you? I say this because post 1178 is your talah vote and it appears to be meta based. Are you trying to say that talah's meta - which was brought up EARLY btw - was suddenly strong/convincing enough to get you to abandon your case on Mastin? See how this works? Equally effective for either wagon.

[Snork]

Yes, I'm obviously scum that's afraid to be ISO'd and I'm calling you scummy for it in hopes that no one reads my ISO.

I never said this... I asked why you wouldn't want to be ISO'd cuz your reaction was a little overblown, imo, so it seemed like you wanted to discourage anyone from bothering.

I've prob already been ISO'd to death and so what if I come across as "scummy". I'm much more interested in finding scum.

Then why do you seem to be freaking out about me suggesting someone ISO you?

I sa something interesting when I was looking for something in Nero's ISO

here you say you found something but instead of outing what you "found" you tell everyone to go look to see if they can find what you found and all that just seems really silly to me.

If you think it's "silly", then ignore it. It doesn't seem like you think it's silly, since you're engaging me about it.

It just seems to me that the pro-town route "hey guys, look I found THIS and I think it points to Nero being scum." But instead there's no real sense of accountability on your part.

That's not quite true, Nero. 1) I never said that what I saw points to you being scum - you made that conclusion. And 2) what am I needing to be accountable for here? I have made no claims about what I saw, I have made no suggestions about the conclusions I came to, I have made no accusations of you.

Can you quote the first instance of you calling me scum?

Where did I say that you call me scum? I said I'm unaware if you are scumreading me or not. If you were actively scum reading me and attacking me, then saying that my comment is "OMGUSy" would make sense. I asked how it's OMGUSy because I'm not aware if you are scumreading me or not, so it doesn't make sense to me.

However, the nervousness about having people ISO you, and making such a big deal about this is making me think that yeah, you might be scum. Before that, I didn't really think so, and had you in my "probably town" pile. I mean, the whole point was that I was doubting the validity that there was anything to be found in your ISO, hence why I asked people to take a look without putting any ideas in their heads, because I wanted a clean perspective and not one tainted by anything I introduced.

But you call that anti-town and I don't understand. You engage me about this as though I'm attacking you, when I wasn't. You turn this into something it's not, and I am curious why.

If you had ignored it and just let people ISO you, I honestly would not even be wondering about you. I mean, that's really the reaction I was expecting, as I thought you were probably town. I was expecting a town reaction, which is to go on scumhunting, since being ISO'd should be no big deal. Instead you seem to be panicking and I really don't get it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Aptil - why the hell are you still sitting on your vote. Like its not an explicitly scummy thing to do, but we've gone an entire day phase without seeing anything committal from you other than "Content = town, lurking = scum" and its HIGH TIME I see something INSPIRING from you to convince me NOT to vig the crap out of you tonight.

Why the hell should i change my vote ? When the fuck did i say lurking = scum ?

When I wrote that, I hadn't gotten to the post where you voted Talah - I just saw you still not-voting. My point is that you spent like 3/4 of the game Day not voting which is anti-town.

I then saw your vote on Talah right after, but decided to still post the above because...you spent 3/4 of the day not-voting which is anti-town.

I oversimplified your one analysis post a bit, but you flat out called Yates town for having content, which is pretty weak.

Your later posts feel busy and you definitely called DG out for active lurking. You seem to be implying hes scummy (and for that specifically) but waiting to see if other people agree.

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes, I'm obviously scum that's afraid to be ISO'd and I'm calling you scummy for it in hopes that no one reads my ISO. I've prob already been ISO'd to death and so what if I come across as "scummy". I'm much more interested in finding scum.

Note to self: ISO Nero Cain.

If so, why aren't you equally concerned about Pere's chainsaw post?

Do you think PV is scummy still? I don't see what is so interesting about PV wanting to look at the counter-wagoners to wagon hes voting for.

PV, did you ever explain your scumread on Snork?

[talah]

VOTE: Luca

L-2

Will make time to post reads tonight (12-ish hours).

Nero's prob-town for his reaction to Roger's flake btw, and I dunno if he's being attacked right now because he's expressed an okay-ness with lynching me if it comes down to it.. Or what.

Interested in penguin's catch up and I'd also like mastin to participate soon if she can.

[Nero Cain]

Also how is it OMGUSy when I wasn't scumreading you

Well you are obviously scumreading me now, right? Oh, you weren't. You were just saying that you say something in my ISO and wanted people to go read it. That makes no sense as town play since its towns job to find scum and if you are asking folks to ISO me for something that YOU didn't even find scummy then that just seems like busy work.

and am unaware if you are scumreading me?

So you're telling me that you missed

As of right now I'm thinking that scum are in

Mister Rogers

Snork

AngryPidgeon
Luca Blight
BipolarChemist
Yates
PeregrineV
RachMarie
Zdenek

despite responding to the post right after it? I find that a lil' hard to buy

I mean, you have nothing to hide in your ISO, do you? Why wouldn't you want people to ISO you?

I don't think I've been saying that.

My bad guys, I shoulda helped ya'll wagon BJC.

[Nero Cain]

Yes, I'm obviously scum that's afraid to be ISO'd and I'm calling you scummy for it in hopes that no one reads my ISO. I've prob already been ISO'd to death and so what if I come across as "scummy". I'm much more interested in finding scum.

Note to self: ISO Nero Cain.

OH NOES! Don't ISO me, bro. I swear you won't find ANYTHING!

[AngryPidgeon]

Luca Blight, claim in your next post.

[Snork]

Also how is it OMGUSy when I wasn't scumreading you

Well you are obviously scumreading me now, right? Oh, you weren't. You were just saying that you say something in my ISO and wanted people to go read it. That makes no sense as town play since its towns job to find scum and if you are asking folks to ISO me for something that YOU didn't even find scummy then that just seems like busy work.

I'm not really interested in arguing semantics again. I made my point about why I asked; I'm not going to repeat myself again.

and am unaware if you are scumreading me?

So you're telling me that you missed

As of right now I'm thinking that scum are in

Mister Rogers

Snork

AngryPidgeon
Luca Blight
BipolarChemist
Yates
PeregrineV
RachMarie
Zdenek

despite responding to the post right after it? I find that a lil' hard to buy

Why? I'm not concerned with people I think are town scumreading me... Why would this even register? If I thought you might be scum, you putting me in your scumpile would be something that supports that theory. But if other evidence made me think you were town, then a healthy dose of paranoia isn't something that's going go ping.

But now that you mention it... that's.. a big list. Talk about casting a wide net.

I mean, you have nothing to hide in your ISO, do you? Why wouldn't you want people to ISO you?

I don't think I've been saying that.

I didn't say you were saying that. I was asking you directly.

My bad guys, I shoulda helped ya'll wagon BJC.

lol... So, now, because I think you could be scum, I'm scum? Hoo boy...

[Yates]

I don't see what is so interesting about PV wanting to look at the counter-wagoners to wagon hes voting for.

He gave this face to summarize his list of people that moved their votes to Luca:

Notice he specifically pointed out later movers? That's not the same as looking at the counter wagon. That's an accusation. I'm wondering how he can raise a concern without knowing the alignments of either player. This pinged hard.