Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

because your play revolving around kaze wouldn't make sense if requesting jailing would only come from town, and your request for jailing means shit all given kaze did it before you (like right after the claim) so you berating venmar for not arguing against this point is dumb on a lot of levels

[zMuffinMan]

but, really, it doesn't matter because i can't show he did say it, nor can i show you saw it, soooooooooooo dunno why you're asking about it

[zMuffinMan]

also you didn't "halt" your push, you said the jailing would clear things up, but if simply requesting being jailed made someone town (which is what you're suggesting is the case with you) you shoulda been like "omg don't jail kaze why would he ask you to do that as scum?!?!?!?" or something along those lines

[Skullduggery]

because your play revolving around kaze wouldn't make sense if requesting jailing would only come from town, and your request for jailing means shit all given kaze did it before you (like right after the claim) so you berating venmar for not arguing against this point is dumb on a lot of levels

I was trying to explain why it doesn't make sense to call me Scum if you think there's only one Scum player left in the game. If you think there are two Scum players remaining, then sure, I'm still a suspect. But if you think there's only one Scum player left, then you shouldn't think that it's me or Kaze/Iecerint unless you want to entertain Strongmen or other such paranoid possibilities.

but, really, it doesn't matter because i can't show he did say it, nor can i show you saw it, soooooooooooo dunno why you're asking about it

I asked you about it because you said something that didn't make sense and I wanted you to clarify what you meant. Is there a problem with that?

also you didn't "halt" your push, you said the jailing would clear things up, but if simply requesting being jailed made someone town (which is what you're suggesting is the case with you) you shoulda been like "omg don't jail kaze why would he ask you to do that as scum?!?!?!?" or something along those lines

The thing is, I wasn't sure whether Kaze was Town or Scum. The other inhabitants of my neighborhood will attest that I have had no idea what to think of Kaze for just about the entire game. I was willing to lynch him just to eliminate that variable, but I was also okay with jailing him since doing so would also be helpful in sorting him out.

[Skullduggery]

Fuck. 2845. I stand corrected.

I should probably get into the habit of double-checking what people say instead of relying on memory.

[Skullduggery]

Either way, if you think it's just empty WIFOM that doesn't actually clear me, you're free to disregard it. You'll only hurt my feelings a little bit.

[zMuffinMan]

no i don't care about it either way (it doesn't factor into my read on you at all), i'm just saying that you obviously didn't think it meant anything when kaze said it, but you think venmar should think it means something because you said it

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 6.10

[2] pirate mollie (ActionDan, Skullduggery)
[1] pidgey (Iecerint)
[1] Skullduggery (Venmar)
[1] Venmar (mastin2)

[4] Not Voting (pidgey, pirate mollie, sangres, zMuffinMan)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-03-26 08:00:00)

[zMuffinMan]

[4] Not Voting (pidgey, pirate mollie, sangres, sangres)

there shouldn't be so many people not voting this close to deadline. tsk tsk

[pidgey]

You are right. Sry

VOTE: pirate mollie

Would change to venmar

[pidgey]

Actually

UNVOTE

VOTE: Venmar

Would change to mollie but mollie looks too much like a misslynch

Sry if wrong ;_;

[Skullduggery]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Venmar

i'm just saying that you obviously didn't think it meant anything when kaze said it, but you think venmar should think it means something because you said it

That's because I didn't notice that Kaze said it. Apparently my memory is not as good as I think it is.

[Venmar]

Would change to mollie but mollie looks too much like a misslynch

No, this is a mislynch. Thanks.

[ActionDan]

let's vote mollie

[ActionDan]

I want to purge the rest of the 5-man quicktopic

[sangres]

Ok.

vote mollie

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 6.11

[3] Venmar (mastin2, pidgey, Skullduggery)
[2] pirate mollie (ActionDan, sangres)
[1] pidgey (Iecerint)
[1] Skullduggery (Venmar)

[2] Not Voting (pirate mollie, zMuffinMan)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-03-26 08:00:00)

[pirate mollie]

okay

[Venmar]

If we're purging the 5-man quicktopic we should be lynching skull.

[pidgey]

Mollie you need to be voting

I could switch to avoid last hours stupidness

[mastin2]

No, my QT was closed indefinitely the second Metal Sonic died.

Except that's generally not what bork does for QTs? Like I said...in my experience, quite explicitly, he leaves the QT open for the player to dump their notes in.

For the sake of finally ending this game, lets lynch Skull, in the name of AP's dying wish.

You know, the more you say that I should be lynched because that's what AFB wanted before he died, the more I'm inclined to believe that you killed AFB so you could use it as justification to set up my mislynch.

Not

exactly

this, but the general idea is still there. I need to check the kill patterns, but I think that Varsoon (who we now know to be the mafia nightkill) is an important NK. AFB is another one, where I can see no player having more incentive to kill them than Venmar. (Okay, so I would, but I'd do it N1, not N4.)

why didn't you respond to 3396?

Because there was nothing to respond to? You defended yourself. There was nothing in that defense to comment on.

And your first votes were on both your neighbors? Why happened to love thy neighbor? Apparently you don't have the generous spirit, so I'm being proactive in kicking you out.

I was trying to find out which one of you two was likely to be scum (if either?), you just made it easy for me.

I liked this mindset early: I don't expect scum Venmar would use neighborhood ammo against Metal Sonic since that's early mislynch then Venmar + AFB.

At the time, I liked it, too. But, really, his push there largely seemed, again, like a formality. His AFB vote was fairly empty. His Metal Sonic push was also kinda half-hearted. The push made him look good. I can see the town thought, of it being a 3p neighborhood and thinking one scum. Yet I also see a scum thought of knowing that town thought, faking it, and yet not getting it to backfire on him with his handling of it.

(By the way--in their exchange, I can see both as town or either as scum. It vaguely looks like it could be townVtown, but there are things Skull are saying that make Skull massively town and other things not so much, whereas Venmar also has said some things that seem genuine and other things that seem like BS. It's something I feel I need to read properly instead of skimming.)

[Venmar]

No, my QT was closed indefinitely the second Metal Sonic died.

Except that's generally not what bork does for QTs? Like I said...in my experience, quite explicitly, he leaves the QT open for the player to dump their notes in.

Jesus christ he didn't do that, he closed the QT, i'm not lying to you.

[Skullduggery]

If we're purging the 5-man quicktopic we should be lynching skull.

Just give up already. This is getting embarrassing now. I am embarrassed for you.

I need to check the kill patterns, but I think that Varsoon (who we now know to be the mafia nightkill) is an important NK.

Refresh my memory -- why do we know this to be the case again?

i'm not lying to you.

Says the guy who has been demonstrably lying all day.

[pidgey]

Hi

12 hours to deadline

We gotta have a consensus here

[Venmar]

I'm not compromising. Fuck y'all.