NY 172: Another Large Normal (GAME OVER)

[AngryPidgeon]

In particular I think Talah is trying to tie me to mastin by encouraging me to take an early read on her (and obviously I was scumreading Talah at the time and more likely to find mastin town by default).

The backpedal and reverting mastin to nullville looks forced and I really would not be surprised if mastin is orchestrating things behind the scenes here. I think Talah new that mastin asked me to replace in.

[AngryPidgeon]

MASTIN GET BACK HERE AND DO SOMETHING MEGATOWN ASAP TIA.

[Snork]

At the very least your "he" feels like it's false and that it's a female scummer behind the keyboard. Have no clue what gives me that impression.

Don't worry, my one and only guess was a female scummer, so you aren't totally insane.

wtf... my gender is not up for debate. This is bordering on offensive.

[AngryPidgeon]

Sorry? You are playing behind an alt and I like to dabble in the guess-the-alt game despite not being good at it. I know at least one person that plays behind an alt of a different gender. No offense intended, but you reminded me of a player I know. I could be wrong.

[Snork]

The only reason you seem to think I'm someone else is because I know how to play mafia? I've read a ton of the games on this site and these large games seem more fun than newbies.

[AngryPidgeon]

They are. And ok. I mean you look and act experienced so I assumed you had a ton of games under your belt (alt).

[Snork]

I'm not an alt.

Can we continue with the game now?

[AngryPidgeon]

You can tell me why Im wrong about Talah/mastin since apparently Im insane.

[Plessiez]

pisskop hasn't posted for over 48 hours and hasn't arranged a V/LA. He has therefore been prodded.

[Snork]

Because all of mastin's early posts show a pretty clear intention to find scum, not just make noise. Plus your reasoning doesn't make sense for Talah/mastin buddies.

[AngryPidgeon]

Because all of mastin's early posts show a pretty clear intention to find scum, not just make noise. Plus your reasoning doesn't make sense for Talah/mastin buddies.

I'd tell you that your townread on mastin is premature, but that would bring this debate full circle.

[mastin2]

5) Mastin's glorious return and CONVENIENT hard reset of her scumread on Talah that she had before and in fact is now asserting Talah was TOWN rather than CANT REMEMBER or NULL??

...Yes? I remember having a townread on talah. I apparently didn't.

No, you're insane.

(Which is generally a towntell.)

In particular I think Talah is trying to tie me to mastin by encouraging me to take an early read on her (and obviously I was scumreading Talah at the time and more likely to find mastin town by default).

Which is likely to come from scum trying to make you read a town player, not a scum player.

VOTE: talah.

MASTIN GET BACK HERE AND DO SOMETHING MEGATOWN ASAP TIA.

Screw that. Megatownning myself intentionally is a scumtell. You either see me as town or you don't.

[Snork]

It just seems like you came up with this because mastin isn't praising the Talah wagon right now, which is kind of appropriate given how disconnected she is from the thread.

p-edit: yeah yeah. Just trust me.

p-edit: See.

[AngryPidgeon]

No, you're insane.

(Which is generally a towntell.)

For me at least

If I were Kuribo, that would be a different matter.

Screw that. Megatownning myself intentionally is a scumtell. You either see me as town or you don't.

You know I don't mean that. I need SOMETHING from you though and this is a good start.

[Nero Cain]

AP-If you think Talah and Mastin are scum why do you not think Rogers is scum for trying to get me to scumread Mastin?

[Snork]

@mastin:

These are my current reads. Notes below to give a bit of context. Further info is on you to look into anything that sticks out.

Town: AP, mastin, Snow, pa (replaced Mister Rogers)
Probably town: Yates, projectmatt, 4nxi3ty, Zd
Null/very weak town: pisskop (replaced Doc Holiday), PV, DG, Luca
Dead null: BPC
Null/very weak scum: Nero, DV
Probably scum: RM, aptil
Scum: ThAd, talah

4 to 5 scum:
ThAd
Talah
RachMarie
aptil
{Nero, DV}

My largest scum read right now is Talah for pushing a shit wagon on lurkers and trying to justify it, attempting to cast suspicion on obviously townie townie people, most notably, AP, and after I replaced in and was no longer a lurker, went from townreading my slot to calling my reads "repulsive" (I'm thinking cuz partners are in it).

From Talah, DV and Nero dropped from maybe town to maybe scum based on their unreasonable and illogical defense of Talah.

ThAd has had wtf reads that make no sense; chainsaw defending Talah. Plus anyone on the Luca wagon is suspect.

RM has contributed less than you, gives shitty excuses at every turn, doesn't respond to inquiries, doesn't scum hunt, doesn't do jack shit, and then tried to slide onto the Luca wagon like it was the thing to do.

Aptil is less confident scum read based on (short) ISO. I think you should just read his ISO. Cuz I kind of want your impression.

BPC disappeared after the vig gambit, is supposedly back from his V/LA and hasn't done anything spectacular. Plus his reaction to the vig gambit was lame.

And regarding Luca, speed of the wagon, scumreads on it, townreads on the Talah wagon, bad mojo.

[Snork]

Nero

, did you ever answer these?

@Nero:

1) Can you sum up the reasons why you think MR is scummier than anyone else in the game right now? It seems like the only stated reason was his post count, which you then followed up with saying you didn't like how he responded to you, but I don't really see where you are finding scum motivation in what he's saying/doing. Is there anything concrete you can think of on MR that led you to this conclusion?

2) Besides MR, where are your strongest suspicions currently? Why?

3) Pretend MR was lynched and flipped town. How would that affect the analysis you have up to this point? Where would you look next?

4) Pretend MR was lynched and flipped scum. Who do you think would be the most likely partners? What makes you think so?

[Nero Cain]

OH! Tell me of this illogical defense of Talah.

also nope.

[AngryPidgeon]

It just seems like you came up with this because mastin isn't praising the Talah wagon right now, which is kind of appropriate given how disconnected she is from the thread.

Mmm, it fit together with a conspiracy theory that was brewing in the back of my head already. Im willing to give mastin the benefit of the doubt for now.

@Mastin: I don't know what to tell you about what happened in the game. Zdenek faked a dayvig on BipolarChemist who instaclaimed VT: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5748906
People sidelines a bit about whether or not that was a townie reaction. Bipolar has been lurking ever since. Zd flipped his read on Bipolar because of it.

Most people have been sitting on vanity wagons all day.

Pisskop had layover votes from Docholiday and Zd tried to shove that wagon a little, but for some reason no one seems seriously interested in it. Admiral started a pet flash-bang Anxiety wagon

4nxi3ty [4 votes] (ThAdmiral, Damon_Gant, talah, Luca Blight)

that people hopped off of the Luca wagon for.

Talah then got into pedantic spamwars with Mr. Rogers (now PA) and Snork after which he self-voted and became the leading wagon.

The Luca blight wagon sort of became a counterwagon after a few probtowns voted for Talah and exploded with RM, DV, Zd and Yates pushing it ahead.

Now they are both claimed VTs (Talah claimed first despite being L - 5).

It seems like most people have their vanity wagons at heart, no serious consensus on anyone. Luca feels like a default lurker lynch to me since hes an easy compromise.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP-If you think Talah and Mastin are scum why do you not think Rogers is scum for trying to get me to scumread Mastin?

Why would scum-Rogers try to convince you to scumread his buddy?

[AngryPidgeon]

LUCA. I SEE YOU AROUND. HOW ABOUT PUTTING IN THE REMOTEST AMOUNT OF EFFORT TO GET THIS WAGON OFF OF YOU.

[Snork]

Nero, please answer it. It would help me clarify your slot.

[Snork]

OH! Tell me of this illogical defense of Talah.

also nope.

By pushing the counterwagon. Duh.

[Nero Cain]

AP-If you think Talah and Mastin are scum why do you not think Rogers is scum for trying to get me to scumread Mastin?

Why would scum-Rogers try to convince you to scumread his buddy?

For the same reason scum ask you why you have a town read on them 'cause they know you are wrong and want to make you look like a fool.

but

In particular I think Talah is trying to tie me to mastin by encouraging me to take an early read on her (and obviously I was scumreading Talah at the time and more likely to find mastin town by default).

this seems to imply that you think Talah was trying to get you to read her scumbuddy so why do you think Rogers is incapable of that?

I'll get to it, Snork.

I have seen the whole "I'm a vt and therefore apathetic to the game." but that's still a good lynch.

OH! Tell me of this illogical defense of Talah.

also nope.

By pushing the counterwagon. Duh.

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I don't think that pushing for a wagon that I prefer and have had a scum/want dead read for most of the game is an illogical defense

[AngryPidgeon]

this seems to imply that you think Talah was trying to get you to read her scumbuddy so why do you think Rogers is incapable of that?

I don't think Talah was expecting or trying to get me to SCUM read mastin though, more the opposite.